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[Guest]

GMT - So, did you deliberately mis-spell "spelled" in the 'reason for editing' when you corrected "bonzo"? Sorry - I was a secretary for way too many years and spent several years editing a newsletter. Can't help myself!

Two boys, eh? I guess several of us crossing our fingers for you might have helped a little more than we thought!

I generally see people mention back-crossing or sibling-crossing for about 4 generations to achieve reasonable stability. I'm not sure what percentage I'd look for in a trait such as polyploidism since that's pretty rare; maybe 50-75%? Even the stable strains aren't perfectly uniform; you'll still find various pheno differences in plant height, stretch, etc.

A suggestion - instead of fertilizing the entire plant, fertilize a couple of branches selectively (maybe a couple of branches with each male if you do have two). That way you could harvest the majority of the plant as usual and leave the fertilized branches to finish. You might fertilize lower branches (maybe not bottom, but not top) so that the flowers had enough light to ripen but not to interfere with regular harvest. I know of breeders who regularly fertilize different branches of the same female with pollen from different males either to gain several crosses or to compare the strengths of various males. You don't end up with as many seeds of each type, but for a small garden, this is a way to experiment with more genetics in a smaller space.

 

[GMT]

No, for some reason when typing double letters I often double the wrong letter, but once I submitted it, I spotted it and it ammused me. So I didn't bother editing it again.

Yeah, the laws of quantum mechanics say that the outcome of an uncertain event will be affected by the question asked about it. Ie, a bag with 3 coloured balls in it, should produce each ball 1/3rd of the time. However asking the question, is the ball I pulled out green, will sway the odds to it being a green balls pulled out first time. I guess with everyone thinking to themselves is it a boy, genuinely may have had an effect on the outcome, but I can't say for sure, the reduced soil depth I allowed them could also have helped, or the high wind factor as they were sexing.
So, could everyone now please think to themselves, has he created a stable tri line, or even better, did he win the lottery.
Right, at the mo I seem at about 12% or 1 in 8 or so.

I've tried that just one branch thing before, and found seeds on branches that I haven't polinated, so I don't like the idea of not knowing exactly who's the daddy. So I'll pick a few buds to polinate with the chosen father. Both fathers have pros and cons going for them, but I think I have made my choice. I'll keep a clone of the other in case I dont get any males next time around, and a clone of my old girl incase the next load are males too. Other than that I'll cull both clones and use the offspring. F2s though they tend to be less stable rather than more, so I'm not sure if this is the right step to take. Perhaps a good F1 outcross again would be better, so I'll make a few seeds from my quad too.

 

[GMT]

OK,OK, I'll let ya know the outcomes, 2 boys 1 girl. ah.
One boy was inferior, now he's dead.
I have a clone of both, although I'm not sure why, as I'll just breed them and move on, back up for trouble finding a suitable mate in the f2s I suppse. Doing the maths I am way to late for the female I was hoping to use, but this new girl with this male should work out nicely as it'll be the first generation of tri x tri whereas so far its been trixbi.

 

[immortal]

Good LUck GMT. Ill be waiting on your results.

 

[GMT]

4 weeksish to go, too late to breed with I assume. This is the quad that failed to give me a central cola clone, damn I only left one layer of quadness going as I was desperate to clone that trait, oh well I have a lower cloned branch that may work in the next round as I have 3 sisters or brothers going for it now, thats the next target project, (not the quadness but the plant itself is nice).

My boy tri, topped for a central cola clone, (successfull) he's rootbound and staying that way, so I'm giving him a bit of a break on the demands placed on him, all lower branches have been removed.

He has 2 brides, one of which is about 3 weeks from harvest (Damn too late for that too) and may need to be revegged before finally meeting her hubby, but has another tri bride just starting to flower, pics of her later in the proceedings. Sorry about the pics but I'm still on a laptop and the screen is poor so I can't really clean them up very well.
Comments always welcome,

 

[GMT]

Ok, here's the lastest bad news, my tri male isn't dropping any pollen. He may be sterile. This isn't good.

 

[GMT]

Well yes he was, I think. The main plant is dead now. The cuting is still going though as I want to double check the root bound thing didn't cause it. So as I didn't take a cutting from tri H cutting 1, that will have to be revegged the long way. I did take a tri cut of tri 2. So that's helpfull. I have also germed another tri (unsexed) and am going to germ some more seeds to look for a second new tri. These will grow along side the brothers and sisters of the quad along with the cut taken from it. Also making its appearance in my room, is Reeferman's Nutcruncher, just one of them to have a look. So, after so much writing, here is a bud from the tri H 1 cut,

And the whole plant it is on, remeber this is a cut that was revegged, hence the short bushy way I grew it. It also got an attack of mites and lost a lot of leaves.

 

[GMT]

O.K. the mites got out of control and so I harvested about 3 weeks early.
I let some cracked seeds dry out and they withered within a couple of hours, 1 was a tri, more are soaking. On the up front is this:

Sister/Brother to the quad, an Orangeberry f3 backcross to Orange, and is putting out 3 per node on the 3rd node. If it follows suit, 2 more then onto quadness, well I can hope can't I? Just looking to make some f2s here though, I only have 6 of these and 4 got planted, 1 accidentally got decappitated, leaving 3 and a clone. I also have a clone of a female tri, and will reveg 1 female tri, I have 1 new tri seedling (so unsexed) (I killed off the sterile male and his clone) and (after killing 1) I am now looking for 2 more tri seedlings to give me a new chance at a male. If they are girls, then If a boy does appear in the obos that will father both lines (which are secoond cousins anyway). Wait and see whats what time again.
Until later,

 

[Sleepy]

the year of the spidermite...

the year of the spidermite...

damn, GMT! sorry to hear about the borg attack .

what are you doing to combat the little buggers?

always interesting reading...thanks!

 

[GMT]

I'm hoping a more humid environment will interupt the breeding cycle and these have no buds to rot. Finers crossed.

 

[Rodriguez]

I dig that arial shot man, it looks great

 

[GMT]

Thanks Rod
Well, I have seen something that I've been quite jelous of in other peoples gardens, and now I have one of my own, or rather I should say 2. Nothing major, but I want to see what these are like, the tri line, has has twins.

Don't know if they are tri or not yet though.

 

[GMT]

Hi, re the above, I wasn't impressed so they are no longer. Nor are a few other plants. Some others have been transplanted into a 3 plant container. One other has a plastic bag on her head. The girls in the tub are wearing coke bottles.
Not quite as detailed as one of Ambre's posts, but it lets me keep track of some dates.

 

[GMT]

Referman's Nutcruncher = Airbourne's G13 x Referman's Petrolia Headstash.
Unsexed


Orangeberry Orange, unsexed, trifoliate pheno. Mother was Tri H line's Grandmother but different Father than tri H grandfather.

OBOs and Tri H cut switched to 12/12 as of right now.

 

[GMT]

Tub develpoment

 

[GMT]

Both the OBOs are girls, topped the one putting out multiple branches per node, but no clone taken yet (as I'll wait until it has 2 tops 1 for cloning 1 to continue growing single cola).
The top central cola was taken for a clone from the tri OBO just. The back up OBO was also a girl so she died suddenly. Damn it still no boys. Plant 3 in that tub is a clone of a tri H that seems to be staggering it's leaves now which isn't a trait I want so I may be concentrating on these OBOs for now and go back to the H later.
RM's NC still not sexed but repotted today as whatever it is it's sticking around a bit longer. May make a cross if it's a guy while these girls are single, they can always re-marry later.
2 H seedlings 3 weeks from sexing, another clone and plant time for me.

 

[GMT]

Poor pic, but does show 2 branches from one node without topping, which saves effort on my part, so I'm all for encouraging more of it. The other side is the same, and yet only 2 leaves per node, kind of a semi quad at that point, although it didnt reapeat, I do still have a clone from the quad OBO, but again a girl, and not central cola, and also no where near as indica a structure as the others, yet I'm smoking it now and it is nice, but not as orangey as the indica pheno I grewout first time around with this plant.
Ah well that's it for me for now,
till next time

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya GMT
I don't agree - that's a great pic. Real hard to get useable lighting conditions that far down the plant without dedicated photo lights - shows the multi-branching beautifully - fab man!

Nice to see you're keepin on with the multi-folate plant selection project! You're getting great color in your pictures too...

Will be back... -MGJ

 

[GMT]

Hey MGJ, great to see you on my sequel thread. Hope the tendons are doing better for ya.
I shouldn't have packed that tub with all 3 plants really, as they could already do with repotting with no real way to do it. The multi brancher was topped with the plan of taking one of the new tops for a clone, instead I cut slightly lower and took both new tops in one leaving several sets of multi branches to grow out, I'm hoping my nutcruncher will be male as that would be an interesting side step. If not there's another unsexed tri youngen that could fit the bill,

 

[Sleepy]

nothing to add...just taggin' along!