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Gr33nSanta
what are we looking at Mikell?
Mine never looks like that. 
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I want to understand the logic of this. People are cutting plants with mostly clear trichomes to create an extract of a certain color? So, color > effect?
looks are often everything to people. Its also called bag appeal.
Bag appeal is certainly one thing to consider, but so is "all show and no go". Taking a plant at 7 1/2 weeks when it properly finishes at 9, produces seriously inferior flowers, or else everyone would be doing it.
I have not had the privilege to sample much rosin, much less make it myself, but how does the lighter rosin compare in taste and effect to darker? I understand fresh frozen has more terpenes, but how does rosin from 6 month jar cured compare in total package (not just color)? Is rosin from material with lots of amber trichome better or worse?
I am not trying to be jerk, but I am indeed VERY interested in peoples opinions on clear/cloudy/amber trichomes as well as ageing techniques, as it relates to all forms of extracts. Thanks for the responses.
I am not trying to be jerk, but I am indeed VERY interested in peoples opinions on clear/cloudy/amber trichomes as well as ageing techniques, as it relates to all forms of extracts. Thanks for the responses.
To clarify, when I say material quality, in this case I refer to optimizing colour. Usually at the expense of other qualities.
But yes. Rather a stupid practice. Look at most top selling strains and what are their dominant features, dense trichomes and/or colour. Extracts are colour, taste and form. The market for taste/smell alone is tighter.
Bottoms are rarely as ripe as the tops. That is what I usually work with. This in particular was cut early to avoid donating to their local crackhead support fund.
Optimizing drying, fresh hash extraction, freeze drier, carbon, subzero operating temperature, blabbity blah blah blah. People do all sorts of malarkey for arbitrary goals. I am not guiltfree.
Better is subjective. I like amber sweet skunk before most things.
Going to take a stab at COB rosin soon if I can. Can't imagine that'll be anything but black soup.
But if the high is very nice and fast.. I aim to freak people out.
But yes. Rather a stupid practice. Look at most top selling strains and what are their dominant features, dense trichomes and/or colour. Extracts are colour, taste and form. The market for taste/smell alone is tighter.
Bottoms are rarely as ripe as the tops. That is what I usually work with. This in particular was cut early to avoid donating to their local crackhead support fund.
Optimizing drying, fresh hash extraction, freeze drier, carbon, subzero operating temperature, blabbity blah blah blah. People do all sorts of malarkey for arbitrary goals. I am not guiltfree.
Better is subjective. I like amber sweet skunk before most things.
Going to take a stab at COB rosin soon if I can. Can't imagine that'll be anything but black soup.
But if the high is very nice and fast.. I aim to freak people out.
I excel at malarkey for arbitrary goals, thus my interest. Thanks for sharing.
Any feedback on using long cured (personal headstash) material for this process?
Any feedback on using long cured (personal headstash) material for this process?
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Gr33nSanta
When I first started dabbing last year, I would offer dabs to just about any friends that came over.
I did not realize just how potent it was until a friend came back and told me the first time I gave him a dab (first time dabber) he got so high that after leaving my house he had to pull over on the side of the road.
Since then, I have been way more conservative, it's a special treat only for a small percentage of my friends.
I think you win if you can freak out a chronic dabber, because your average user is pretty easy to impress if they have never dabbed.
Looking forward to your report on the COB rosin, did you make the COB? it would be great if you shared pics of both the COB and rosin.
That color looks great Mikell.
I get sort of bummed out about the color. Can make fantastic rosin, but if its just a tad darker people will pass it up for something lighter.
I was doing a lot of flower pressing, great rosin. Smoke smells just like the fresh flowers, but its a tad darker.
Comes out lighter using hash. Smoke ends up smelling more hashy to. Tastes great, like hash, but it looses a bit of the flower flavor imo. Lighter and leans more toward shatter.
Its a pita to dry or water extract flowers efficiently. Trim is ready to go but flowers so much is hidden inside, you need to break them up carefully to get a good return.
BHO market has really spoiled the masses with color and consistency.
Sort of a shame.
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I get sort of bummed out about the color. Can make fantastic rosin, but if its just a tad darker people will pass it up for something lighter.
I was doing a lot of flower pressing, great rosin. Smoke smells just like the fresh flowers, but its a tad darker.
Comes out lighter using hash. Smoke ends up smelling more hashy to. Tastes great, like hash, but it looses a bit of the flower flavor imo. Lighter and leans more toward shatter.
Its a pita to dry or water extract flowers efficiently. Trim is ready to go but flowers so much is hidden inside, you need to break them up carefully to get a good return.
BHO market has really spoiled the masses with color and consistency.
Sort of a shame.
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Gr33nSanta
I am converting a lot of my friends to wanting to become connoisseurs, being a canna connoisseur was not really a thing in the past, or not so popular unless you were in the trade business, but as weed becomes more normalized, more and more people want to become connoisseurs.
There will always be room for rosin, it offers something totally different than BHO.
I think it's only a matter of time before mainstream consumers migrate more towards rosin, at least for special events, the thing rich people puff on.
I just don't think that high quality flower rosin can be mass produced, not to the same extent than bho and also no where near the same returns, it will always be a product for the riches.
There will always be room for rosin, it offers something totally different than BHO.
I think it's only a matter of time before mainstream consumers migrate more towards rosin, at least for special events, the thing rich people puff on.
I just don't think that high quality flower rosin can be mass produced, not to the same extent than bho and also no where near the same returns, it will always be a product for the riches.
Nice feedback. I understand that things done commercially are not necessarily best practices for highest quality, but proof is always in the pudding. It seems that rosin would be difficult to hide lower quality starting material.
I make alcohol based extracts with glass cured flowers that yield that a shatter with darker amber color, and I go out of my way with many convoluted steps to keep and add back terpenes. It seems the amber color is inevitable with material that has been properly aged.
I would freaking love to try the cob cured rosin, especially if it is a sativa!!!
Nice thoughts MR. It is truly amazing how each variety of extract has unique characteristics when made from identical flower. Do any companies advertise that a specific extract is only made with flowers? Cured flowers?
I totally agree about importance of breaking up material, no matter what process that you are doing, to get a max yield. I previously would make dry ice hash as the starting material for my extracts, but I now use liquid nitrogen to freeze and pulverize. LN2 allows me to use fresh flowers or dried/cured, depending on what I want to do.
Mass produced is a relative term. I think distillate/bho/co2 oil made from trim/low grade flowers will basically become the "Mexican brick weed" of the past. Lot's of people smoked it, some because they were poor and others because they did not know any (one or any) better, but most people eventually tend to gravitate to the finer things, of anything in life.
Greensanta,
Yes it is easy to overwhelm someone with low tolerance. I should know, I are one. I smoke 3 joints a day and maybe a spliff with hash. If work slows or we are trimming relentlessly, a bit more to. My most common activity after dabbing is napping. And let's say I don't need things about to encourage that.
Now take a racy heirloom, cob it, rosin that, and maybe you have something unique. Sure, it lools like crap. But then the high end market in Van has a lot of untrimmed amber flower your average consumer would pass over. This small market judges the real qualities. The taste, smell and high.
Converting people to better taste is not hard. Show them a real sativa and the incredible stank rosin it makes. Show them anything that doesn't hit a dispensary shelf. Whether they will consistently pay is another thing. The majority of beer sold is not tongue twisting craft. If I could work with my heart, that would be ideal, but I am not in that position now.
Waterfarm,
I haven't pressed much long cure. The yield is similar, smell slightly lower (but not always true, perhaps just different or in some rare case superior) and it has a stonier high.
Terpenes and resin qualities vary so greatly it is hard to apply rules. OG types retain smell well over time. Some new haze cultivars we have smell intoxicating fresh but quickly decline/change. Handling can change everything. There is likely an ideal extraction method for each type. You can see this with the pictures Erik and constantconcentrates post on IG, but it only gives one aspect.
Tied to your point of a variety of extracts from the same source material.
Flower run is differentiated and priced so. If it isn't, it is trim, and so is a lot of the flower run. There is a supplier for every niche. Heck, there's even a high grade moonrock maker. Some of the organic soil to oil companies advertise longer cures.
It creates a false impression with the consumer, already twisted up by unregulated advertising.
Some times, by the time the flower gives up the majority of the heads, contaminate has increased too much. The same plants refined sugar trim may drop everything in the first two washes.
I have a robotcoup to try next round.
Distillate is perfect for refining low grade material, there have even been great advances in the past twelve monthes of polishing out pesticides/fungicides, which contaminate the mass majority of concentrates.
A wee bit of hash and I wrote a rambling book even Weird would be proud of (length wise, at least).
Yes it is easy to overwhelm someone with low tolerance. I should know, I are one. I smoke 3 joints a day and maybe a spliff with hash. If work slows or we are trimming relentlessly, a bit more to. My most common activity after dabbing is napping. And let's say I don't need things about to encourage that.
Now take a racy heirloom, cob it, rosin that, and maybe you have something unique. Sure, it lools like crap. But then the high end market in Van has a lot of untrimmed amber flower your average consumer would pass over. This small market judges the real qualities. The taste, smell and high.
Converting people to better taste is not hard. Show them a real sativa and the incredible stank rosin it makes. Show them anything that doesn't hit a dispensary shelf. Whether they will consistently pay is another thing. The majority of beer sold is not tongue twisting craft. If I could work with my heart, that would be ideal, but I am not in that position now.
Waterfarm,
I haven't pressed much long cure. The yield is similar, smell slightly lower (but not always true, perhaps just different or in some rare case superior) and it has a stonier high.
Terpenes and resin qualities vary so greatly it is hard to apply rules. OG types retain smell well over time. Some new haze cultivars we have smell intoxicating fresh but quickly decline/change. Handling can change everything. There is likely an ideal extraction method for each type. You can see this with the pictures Erik and constantconcentrates post on IG, but it only gives one aspect.
Tied to your point of a variety of extracts from the same source material.
Flower run is differentiated and priced so. If it isn't, it is trim, and so is a lot of the flower run. There is a supplier for every niche. Heck, there's even a high grade moonrock maker. Some of the organic soil to oil companies advertise longer cures.
It creates a false impression with the consumer, already twisted up by unregulated advertising.
Some times, by the time the flower gives up the majority of the heads, contaminate has increased too much. The same plants refined sugar trim may drop everything in the first two washes.
I have a robotcoup to try next round.
Distillate is perfect for refining low grade material, there have even been great advances in the past twelve monthes of polishing out pesticides/fungicides, which contaminate the mass majority of concentrates.
A wee bit of hash and I wrote a rambling book even Weird would be proud of (length wise, at least).
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MR,
Yes most of my hash rosin comes out the same. Lately by drying at 55C/60-65RH I get a lighter colour and less taste. But generally the opposite in colour to flower rosin, which usually comes out lighter depending on material handling/age.
I am going to try a robotcoupe to preprocess. Tap tap wash. I currently use but am not a fan of washing machines with bags. Even keeping the bag full of ice to keep the flower from clumping, I don't think they open properly and grind against each other.
I want to try naked soon. And with just a variable speed mixer.
MR,
Yes most of my hash rosin comes out the same. Lately by drying at 55C/60-65RH I get a lighter colour and less taste. But generally the opposite in colour to flower rosin, which usually comes out lighter depending on material handling/age.
I am going to try a robotcoupe to preprocess. Tap tap wash. I currently use but am not a fan of washing machines with bags. Even keeping the bag full of ice to keep the flower from clumping, I don't think they open properly and grind against each other.
I want to try naked soon. And with just a variable speed mixer.
Pics? Ooo la la
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Gr33nSanta
I think I have shared my technique before here so it's nothing new. It would be nice if an experienced hash maker would try it and tell me if they think it's a good way.
Instead of mixing, or using the bubblenow machine (which have only been used for 4 washes and has been sitting on the floor since) I simply use 3 or 4 buckets when I make hash, one with all the bags, and 2 to keep pouring back and forth, I fill about 3/4 of the way up or less which is about a QP of trim for almost 2 bags of ice cubes and water.
Seems like hard work but it seems very gentle on the material, everything gets mixed in evenly. I ll do that about 5 to 10 min, then I poor the hash water in the bags.
I am always by myself so I typically set the trim and ice outside, without water, while I deal with the first wash, and then I ll wash one more time.
Instead of mixing, or using the bubblenow machine (which have only been used for 4 washes and has been sitting on the floor since) I simply use 3 or 4 buckets when I make hash, one with all the bags, and 2 to keep pouring back and forth, I fill about 3/4 of the way up or less which is about a QP of trim for almost 2 bags of ice cubes and water.
Seems like hard work but it seems very gentle on the material, everything gets mixed in evenly. I ll do that about 5 to 10 min, then I poor the hash water in the bags.
I am always by myself so I typically set the trim and ice outside, without water, while I deal with the first wash, and then I ll wash one more time.
