NEW Colorado Growers Thread

[hellfire]

I don't even know why people are growing fiber really. There isn't a single decording plant in the state yet. I find that most people doing that are like nostalgic for Hemp for Victory or something, and also I find they don't know much about cannabis and tend not to be smokers.

I think it's more likely to see cannabis commercially under greenhouse than hemp, CBD hemp probably will but its insane to throw 100 acres under glass. However before every state has a hemp program we need to work on seeds that solve this issue. Feminised or sterilized is what I'd like to look into. It is also important to remember that even with fem seed they'll have to cull about 4 males for every 100 seeds planted. I'd much rather we all solve these issues asap before both things take off to national levels. It is a budding industry and there's a lot of large scale agricultural issues not a lot of people are thinking about.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Testing yes, but as of now you aren't required to use state approved seed is what I meant.

because there is no state approved seed yet

I know that's why I'd like to make sterilized or feminised seed to give to all these ignorant fiber hemp farmers. But it'll take awhile to get rid of all the bad stock lying around and the ignorance.

apparently some canadians already fleeced some of the dumbest of the dumb for loads of cash on bunk (fiber, monoecious, no CBD, 1-2% THC) seeds last season - iheard rumors of 800+ lbs of hemp that was un-sellable legally because of it's "hot" THC levels, that also tested negligible in CBD, and it was finely ground like smallsmall woodchips, breaking up the hurd and fiber together making it useless for any kind of fiber production on a big scale

I don't even know why people are growing fiber really. There isn't a single decording plant in the state yet. I find that most people doing that are like nostalgic for Hemp for Victory or something, and also I find they don't know much about cannabis and tend not to be smokers.

I think it's more likely to see cannabis commercially under greenhouse than hemp, CBD hemp probably will but its insane to throw 100 acres under glass. However before every state has a hemp program we need to work on seeds that solve this issue. Feminised or sterilized is what I'd like to look into. It is also important to remember that even with fem seed they'll have to cull about 4 males for every 100 seeds planted. I'd much rather we all solve these issues asap before both things take off to national levels. It is a budding industry and there's a lot of large scale agricultural issues not a lot of people are thinking about.

there isn't even a modern decordicating plant ANYWHERE in the usa, the one in NC is very antiquated and it's about a 17m$ job for an up to date decordicating facility; that includes 5 years run-time and maintenance (im told).
there isn't even the heavy equipment specialized for harvesting anywhere in the usa - it's in europe mostly

there are lots of hemp crops in climate controlled, year round, light dep/sup GH's and more to come i'm sure
a pal of mine doing hemp just build a 90 x 96 gh with giant wet wall... on 40 acres.

there are cherry fem CBD seeds available already - lots of peeps thinking in that direction already for sure

NC's hemp program just got rolling this season, NC ordained "source hemp" as a supplier of low THC hemp clones (seeds to come soon, i think)

yer totally right about the know-nothing hempers that don't smoke herb.... some dark part of me loves the fact that some of those people lost their asses (or are in the process of doing so) on their hemp crops that have no market value (yet) and won't for at least a couple or few years at this point.
i mean... in the grand scheme of things i want everyone to be successful, but peeps got big dreams and no wings to fly, no frame of reference, no CLUE.... and they pollinate hard working people & patients crops in the process of producing something with no marketable qualities in hope of selling to an industry that doesn't even exist yet
and some of these jokers do it season after season without making a dime, i can't even fathom it

 

[Avinash.miles]

A femmed seed would be a great solution if we could get them all to actually use it.
You know I cant help but to think, if they treated things otherwise... demanding that hemp be grown in greenhouses to contain any pollen (which is probably coming the second any of us seed Bayers sensi crops :^) I'd imagine you'd hear the hemp farmers decry that the gubment cannot dictate what they do on their land. They might bring up the costs incurred on building massive greenhouses and say it was unfair to expect folks growing one style of crop to have more restrictions and requirements as the same crop grown in a different style, but using the same practices and medium.

I think the only real solution is not a legislative one, but one of community. I'm sure that hemp farmers dont want sensi cannabis farmers against them but rather with them. Nobody wants some pissed off neighbor with cannabis that has been seeded like ditch-weed burning down their hemp fields, so I'd think, as usual, that education and understanding would help. If the hemp farmers understood what risk of damage they could potentially cause and promptly culled males or used sterile or femmed seeds, then I'd think the sensi farmers could have some understanding that you cant catch everything immediately and that a small amount of pollen is inevitable.
Instead of that, it really seems like many hemp farmers take the opinion of "fuck off, I'm legally better protected and youre all just growing DOPE!" Many seem not only ok with, but in fact overjoyed to ruin other folks sensi crops. This inconsideration and at times seemingly premeditated complete lack of regard isn't going to be helpful to any of us long term, and it seems a good way to divide and conquer.

for sure it's about divide and conquer
i have my own theories about how cannabis/hemp is being used as a pilot program for many other systems of control that will encompass all forms of growing for food production (see also codex alimentarius)
basically the joke/argument about "why do they wana count my marijuana plants when i can grow ALL the tomato plants i want?!?"... well.... just wait.

everyone is happy to jump on board to a hemp/marijuana opportunity in a highly regulated agricultural related industry.... with the kind of red tape that any OTHER kind of farmer would scoff at and be a deal breaker.
but, those passionate people who believe in the cannabis plant and it's value are jumping in head first state led cannabis programs (rec, med, hemp) - noone would do the same in a highly regulated program to grow carrots, tomatoes, or crops for hay/silage/pasturing

also a big part of ag is water use and federal programs that help farmers install infrastructure for better water use (sprayers mitigate salinity) - BUT these same programs force farmers who use them to opt out of any cannabis growing on their property using the water that operates in the infrastructure that's paid for with federal funding
total motherfucking clusterfuck, it's kind of hilarious
but supposedly don coram got hick to sign onto some bill that protects hemp farmers right to use water that's federally regulated for hemp crops (something that has not YET created an issue for any hemp farmers).
so there are people trying to iron out the creases of this bullshit...

 

[hellfire]

there isn't even a modern decordicating plant ANYWHERE in the usa, the one in NC is very antiquated and it's about a 17m$ job for an up to date decordicating facility; that includes 5 years run-time and maintenance (im told).
there isn't even the heavy equipment specialized for harvesting anywhere in the usa - it's in europe mostly

there are lots of hemp crops in climate controlled, year round, light dep/sup GH's and more to come i'm sure
a pal of mine doing hemp just build a 90 x 96 gh with giant wet wall... on 40 acres.

Yeah the decordcating facilities are insanely expensive right now and I honestly don't see the point of building one quite just yet but maybe within the next 5-10 years. There needs to be a market created, these people should focus on shifting the hemp fiber supply for clothes from China or Europe and use US instead but I don't see them doing that. There isn't market or infrastructure set up to do anything like biofuel or decordicating en masse yet, I think it will come but these people that know nothing are jumping the gun early. They should hit this CBD rush while they can instead.

The greenhouse is on 40 acres, 90x96? Nice but is the entire 40 acres under greenhouse? That's what I'm talking about. You can't really tell anyone to put a physical 100 acres under greenhouse. Hemp or cannabis. Cannabis doesn't have the demand yet, when that point is reached it'll be an interesting debate. I know of one greenhouse right now that is 5-10 acres under glass, forget the exact number it was more than 5. They are using 2 because the demand is not there. Maybe we can all grow under the sun openly in the future. CBD hemp may have to go under greenhouse if the fiber hemp pollen goes into full swing and that comes up again building literal acres and acres of greenhouse coverage. At that point I question whether that is even worth it.

I also think there are big agricultural products, chemicals of course, that already exist to deal with this. Products that make the female plant incapable of being pollinated. They definitely aren't tested or approved for use on cannabis but I imagine the science will come along specifically for cannabis if they don't prove useful.

 

[Avinash.miles]

imo 17 mil for 5 years of runtime and maintenance on a facility that takes 400 or so tractor trailer loads to build, needs a giant building basically custom built...
the ONLY reason the NC plant was built in the first place was a tax write of in the name of diversification for philip morris

need an INDUSTRY to create the market

as for the big GH, it's a start; lots of hemp CBD is going in GH, which is not to say people are covering their entire properties in hoop houses or gutter systems - ridiculous.
but, consider this; buying 40 acres and within the SAME SEASON, basically immediately upon purchase of the property, throwing up the giant GH...
if the hemp thing pans out im sure more GH space is right around the corner, just seems reasonable to me

as for cannabis not having a demand yet... not sure what else to say on that tip;
but i have a feeling hemp CBD crops will remain viable despite becoming seeded (it's ALL being processed at this point anyhow, and CBD spikes early before THC)

i guarantee that some people spray the hell out of florel on their outdoor crops this season in hopes of avoiding having seeded herb - the thought crossed my mind

 

[hellfire]

I see CBD going under large GH space if the price stays stable and demand keeps rising. Is 17mil for decordicating and the plastics side or just decordicating? Because I swear I heard like 6.5mil for a decordicating plant. I don't even know who builds the damn things nor have I looked any up.


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[Avinash.miles]

I see CBD going under large GH space if the price stays stable and demand keeps rising. Is 17mil for decordicating and the plastics side or just decordicating? Because I swear I heard like 6.5mil for a decordicating plant. I don't even know who builds the damn things nor have I looked any up.

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ya probably 6.5 just to GET the decord equipment, it needs a building to go in PLUS 5 years runtime AND maintenance (includes pay of people running it, sharpening blades and replacing wear parts and more)
that's for a current, modern, and up to date plant, not like the one that's currently setup in NC that basically was bought and setup as second hand
can't say how SURE i am about the 17m number, suffice to say i heard it from a very reliable source

i see CBD hemp being grown in GH space that was previously legal to have marijuana (med/rec) in, but shifting political/legal atmospheres across the state change things and people will probably be growing hemp in the same spaces they have been growing weed... that's my guess.

 

[bsgospel]

i guarantee that some people spray the hell out of florel on their outdoor crops this season in hopes of avoiding having seeded herb - the thought crossed my mind

3 A Light does it indoor. I've heard they go through barrels and barrels of the stuff each month

 

[who dat is]

3 A Light is a glorified coffee table book for people with too much money and no Know How about cannabis.

 

[Avinash.miles]

3 A Light is a glorified coffee table book for people with too much money and no Know How about cannabis.

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i still haven't actually seen a copy of the book, but from what i hear about it you are correct WDI

 

[hellfire]

Instead of reading about GH 3 part just go buy it lmao...if that's the kind of crap you're looking for I guess.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think part of the problem for hemp farmers is the unrealistically low amounts of THC allowed by statute. You know they're nuts when Nebraska ditch weed won't pass the test. Getting high with that stuff was all in the imagination.

If hemp has a future in this country it's probably not in fiber but rather in oil, seed and silage. For real farmers, it's hard to justify planting hemp instead of sorghum when their whole crop might be declared too psychoactive to feed to cows & chickens.

Either way it seems to me that drug & hemp farmers will need to use commercial seed produced under controlled conditions like a lot of other crops- corn, squash, whatever.

In terms of the final product, pollination doesn't matter for oil & extracts of any kind nor does it matter for hashish, either.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't understand the "A Light" reference- somebody give me a clue, please.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I think part of the problem for hemp farmers is the unrealistically low amounts of THC allowed by statute. You know they're nuts when Nebraska ditch weed won't pass the test. Getting high with that stuff was all in the imagination.

If hemp has a future in this country it's probably not in fiber but rather in oil, seed and silage. For real farmers, it's hard to justify planting hemp instead of sorghum when their whole crop might be declared too psychoactive to feed to cows & chickens.

Either way it seems to me that drug & hemp farmers will need to use commercial seed produced under controlled conditions like a lot of other crops- corn, squash, whatever.

In terms of the final product, pollination doesn't matter for oil & extracts of any kind nor does it matter for hashish, either.

people are operating under the assumption that pollination WILL make a (negative) difference when growing for CBD oil (cbd hash).
i tend to agree w that assumption

as for "3 a light" they are talking about 3 lbs per 1k w light (de hps im sure)
its a book some colorado jokers published

 

[hellfire]

I bet a seed press is way less expensive than a decordicating facility. But probably not as useful as the Europeans/Canadians dominate the hemp seed oil market if I remember right.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I bet a seed press is way less expensive than a decordicating facility. But probably not as useful as the Europeans/Canadians dominate the hemp seed oil market if I remember right.

doesn't even compare imo.
decord in usa would be a game changer in a big way, it would create materials that could create products that are new and would compete with existing industries (like building materials for example)

seed oil press would not create new products instead would be competition for existing identical products
still, at least there is opportunity there, an established market forged by euro/canada hemp industries

imo, eventually, it's ALL going to happen - question is when, how long can the foot dragging go on?

 

[bsgospel]

3 A Light is a glorified coffee table book for people with too much money and no Know How about cannabis.

I wasn't even aware of the book. I'm talking the dispensary/wholesaler

 

[Jhhnn]

people are operating under the assumption that pollination WILL make a (negative) difference when growing for CBD oil (cbd hash).
i tend to agree w that assumption

as for "3 a light" they are talking about 3 lbs per 1k w light (de hps im sure)
its a book some colorado jokers published

I really don't have enough of an understanding of the chemistry of seed oil vs vegetable oil to wade into that. Nor a strong understanding of what trade-offs there are between trichome & seed production. What I'm sure of is that cross pollination won't change the psychoactive properties of plants so affected but rather of their offspring.

I think, however, that it's just something that comes with the territory. If a CBD crop has more seeds than one would like it can be dealt with nonetheless. That's not true with flower cannabis given customer expectations of sinsemilla. When drug cannabis production moves back outside where it belongs I think we'll see a lot of it processed one step further into trichome extracts like hash & into oils & etc as well. Seeds don't matter wrt the quality of the product in that, either.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I really don't have enough of an understanding of the chemistry of seed oil vs vegetable oil to wade into that. Nor a strong understanding of what trade-offs there are between trichome & seed production. What I'm sure of is that cross pollination won't change the psychoactive properties of plants so affected but rather of their offspring.

I think, however, that it's just something that comes with the territory. If a CBD crop has more seeds than one would like it can be dealt with nonetheless. That's not true with flower cannabis given customer expectations of sinsemilla. When drug cannabis production moves back outside where it belongs I think we'll see a lot of it processed one step further into trichome extracts like hash & into oils & etc as well. Seeds don't matter wrt the quality of the product in that, either.

i think that pollination will affect the content levels of the target cannabinoids (in this case CBD)
many peeps are operating under this assumption, that yield of VIABLE flower weight (flower weight minus seeds!) AND target cannabinoid(s) will both be slightly lower in crops that are pollinated than those that are not

 

[Jhhnn]

I think there will likely be a reduction in the amount of resin produced in seeded cannabis because the plant lives to make what seeds she can but I can't see how it would affect the cannabinoid profile in the resin. Dunno if seeds are as devoid of CBD as they are of THC, either.

I do think that all this experimental hemp farming will establish stands of feral hemp where none have been before. In places throughout the midwest where that's happened the stuff simply can't be eradicated.