New Caledonia

[Guest]

#23 around 10 weeks 11/13

#33 11/13 from seed

 

[TexasTea]

Looking awesome Syd!

 

[brickweeder]

syd, did this try to reveg?

 

[dubi]

Mamma Mia Syd Barrett! A joy to see offspring from female #23 doing so well indoors! How is the nose on her ?
Glad to see a seedling from line #33 also starting to flower, great euphoric effects from this one.

 

[Guest]

Thanks a lot TexasTea mate!

Hello Brickweeder no she didn't, she has been steaming along no probs.

Dubi hey my friend, this 23 is the one I gave my friend to adopt. She smells fantastic oldschool, extremely spicy. Very stinky, best smell in this tent.

There's two of the 33's in the pot

 

[dubi]

Your friend is doing a great job with the #23 girl Syd Barrett Glad she is producing the best smell in the tent, promising!

 

[Marcus67]

The Philippines used to be one of the biggest exports of cannabis in the mid 1800s. Is there anyone familiar with both landraces who can compare? Thanks edit: sorry, Manila Hemp which is different.Please discard. Still curious if there is a connection.

 

[Marcus67]

Amazing thread! Will she be available as an auto by any chance?

 

[dubi]

Welcome Marcus67,

Amazing thread! Will she be available as an auto by any chance?

I don't think so.

 

[Marcus67]

Thank you Dubi for your reply. I really think developing potent autos is the way to preserve Sativa landraces. They are hard to grow indoors and outdoors in most climates. Being able to start a plant indoors for a few months then plant outside in the springfor an early fall finish means we have a plant that finishes under the sun with its full potential (potency) and due to landrace genetics, is hardier against pests and environmental conditions so that the amateur grower has less problems than with hybrids outside. Also, legally plant numbers vs plant size is how rules tend to be enforced. In Canada, we can have 5 plants. Most would rather 5 monster sativas than 5 small hybrid autos. There are sativa dominant autos like yours and others. By continuously backcrossing to the original landrace strain, over time
we could get close to the original strain but as an auto. What do you think?

 

[rdc420]

Marcus67 , maybe you should try Thai Chi for a short flowering sativa, or cross New Caledonia with Lebanese to reduce the flowering time.

 

[TexasTea]

It's all a matter of attitude adjustment. Try growing a few 20 week tropical sativas and then 10-14 weeks seems like a one night stand in comparison.

I tried to pop one NC2 seed a few weeks ago but it didn't germinate. Probably my fault as conditions were not ideal and I've been very busy lately... will try another.

 

[Marcus67]

The ideal strain for me is long flowering auto. Let me explain. In Canada we are allowed 5 plants per house. Light pollution in urban/suburban back yards is an issue for many, so autos are often preferred. Most autos don’t grow big, so 5 plants won’t produce much. A strain of long flowering sativa that has been bred to autoflower means I could end up with 5 monster plants with big yields. I would have from mid may to mid october - so 5 months of flowering under strong sun- the way sativas should be grown. If plants are started indoors 2/3 months before, we are talking about potential monsters that are hardy against pests/mold/humidity (compared to modern indoor hybrids).

 

[TexasTea]

Oh I see, outdoors in a northern latitude...you know, maybe instead of trying to get a tropical sativa to finish in your area, you might look into Purple Satellite or something along those lines as they are super early finishing and bred for a northern climate. They were fully flowering for me in New England in early August and yields were very good. Just a thought.

 

[olday]

I’m with Texastea on this one, I would imagine what would be lost by adding the auto genetics would just take too much away. I have had very few that compare to my hybrids and none that come close to the sativas I’ve run. Ace has some great hybrids to check out that may just fit what you are looking for

 

[Marcus67]

Thanks for your posts guys. The idea is go create strains with old school genetics - also as a means to preserve a dying gene pool. The rough idea is auto x lr (land race), select offspring for autos (if any). Next generation backcross to lr. Select/stabilize for autos (which are now 75% lr). Repeat so that each generation gets closer to the pure LR (88% LR, then 93%, 96%, 98% etc) selecting for autos each time. The aim here again is preservation by making old strains practical. It’s a lot of work but it would be important work. These plants again would generally speaking be easier to grow and higher yielding outdoors than modern hybrids that are prone to mold, pests etc

 

[Hombre del mont]

But why not just grow landraces?

 

[romanoweed]

im not shure about automatic..
I have never really seen anyone scram: i have an auto, 50 percent, or enven 75 percent and its so interesting smoke.. Rarely.. The Muai Thai (Thai x Auto) had one good report tho.

1: I would do this: Find shortflowering versions of a Landrace, like 13 Weeker SE Asian. they exist i think.

2: Find two Landraces from the same Region (Thai and another Thai) that are kind of shortflowering , select bouth down as hard as you can while not loosing the trippynes to much, At some point they might get inbreeding depressed, so you can later outcross bouth and get back vigor that way.

3: Hybridize with Cultivars that are not compleetly opposite. The old Afghani-outcross is not best i believe. Rather place a cyrcle around the Landrace that you want to shorten, say a Thai, and find the closest Region with shorter flowering Strains. But also watch for similar Effect. A Korean would be way shorter flowering, but still is not as far appart and as different Effect from a Thai, as an Afhgani would be.

I really think there is somewhat a resonance, between two outcrossed Strains. If you combine bouth Weeds in one single Joint you can get an idsea about this.. If you do that with couple combinations, you may find that some interfeere more than others.. And dont even have a better floweringtime, they just resonate more or less.. So you could grow your preffered Thai, plus dozens of shortflowering Plants from different regions, and dont even have to outcross them to check, you just combine them ina Joint and get a good idea.. Atleast Shantibaba from Mr nice tells the same and he is a thought Biologist.

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But most important is Point Nr.1 above imho. Nothing got me as high as the 13 Weeker Vietnam collected seed. Also not the Outcross between a longflowering vietnamese and a Chinese Hemp.. wich flowers 13 weeks.
Thats fucking important you just cant beat the indigeen people growing thousands of plants with a your small garden.. Very unlikely i think. So you cant skip this point if you want the shortes but trippyest

Im not super profi, but have seen every aspekt described once , so thats what i tend to think

 

[Marcus67]

Hombre, simply because I can’t finish many landrace sativas in Canada, also light pollution in my urban backyard, and primarily because I think lr sativas do best under the sun

 

[Marcus67]

I think there are many powerful autos on the market right now. Ace has them, nightowl seeds, fastbuds etc. Many are getting great reviews. As for what to grow, the aim again is preservation of landrace genetics and therefore making as many practical as possible.