Nevilles Haze X Everything....

[ChemDgMillionre]

Ya the wind is still howling where I’m at.... we got slammed with nearly 16” of snow.

Seeds, seeds, and seeds! Nice dude, I’ve actually got a couple crosses that’s I made with the Number Nine going.. x white og/chem & x candy chem. Very excited! Gettin some of those biker kush hybrids started today as well.

How’s that cheese? Love that delicious breads cheesey smell & flavors she throws off

 

[ChemDgMillionre]

I mixed that up... the candy chem was crossed to white og/chem!.. that’s the one I’m excited about, lots of chem going on in that

 

[Stardog]

The cheese clone I have is pretty good but like the sour d it seems to come out different every time I run it. When my friend runs it, it smells skunky, when I run it it smells like mashed up peas with a hint of skunk. It's pretty strong but it's not really on par with some of the other cuts I keep. My friend and I run the same nutes, same lamps etc but if you compared his on one side and mine on the other you would be sure it was 2 different plants.
I've been waiting for days to move some plants into my flower rooms but the weather isn't allowing me to make the 50' run from the basement to my shop, plus all my fences blew down so I'd prefer to do it at night. Despite being 100% legal I don't want my neighbors seeing me running around with 5' plants I have ready to flip. Guess I'm still hardwired to keep things on the down low.
Going to try and fix my camera sometime today. The battery cover won't stay shut so I have to hold it shut and tape it. I have one of G-man's Lucy x C99's that's just a bomb of a plant.

 

[ChemDgMillionre]

Getting ready for the next storm? Hope you didn’t lose power from the last one, I had trees down everywhere.. good luck brother!

 

[OldCoolSativa]

Yet another Masshole here, growing some Neville's Haze crosses that I obtained from MNS. I have four Grail Widow and two Neville's Haze Mango plants at 7+ weeks of 12/12 now. One grail Widow went completely hermie on me a couple weeks ago and was culled. I've pulled a couple nanners off of one of these plants (GW3) a couple days ago after one of our regular Noreasters took out the power and interrupted the light schedule. The other plants are solid. The Grail Widows are impressing me much more than the NHM. Makes me think GW and NHM use different Neville's Haze moms.

GW2. My favorite plant, foxtailing like crazy. I think this one's gonna go 14+ weeks.

GW3. Another beautiful hazey plant that will also probably go 14+ weeks.

GW7. I also have a clone of this plant flowering. The big yielder of the group...I anticipate over a half pound of dried buds from these two plants, probably in 12-14 weeks. Wonderful incense smell.

NHM2. Runt of the litter. Tiny buds but good resin production. The NHM plants smell sweeter than the Grail Widow plants.

NHM3. This is the only plant that's giving me problems, with browning and drying leaves.

 

[Stardog]

Nice OCS. I can hardly believe someone in my own state actually grows an NLD. Bloody mystified! Still on lurk mode but the gardens are firing despite the cruel weather. I'm sort of dying to flip my OGBK 2.0 mom but the cold won't allow me to bring her up so she's just growing bigger and bigger everyday. With no camera and a flip phone I'm not posting much but I'm still @ 100%...

 

[Raho]

Hi OCS!
Those girls look very nice.
Has anyone revealed the pedigree on Shanti's grail lines? I mean obviously the name suggests yours is half widow, but has Shanti shared the rest of the pedigree?

Yet another Masshole here, growing some Neville's Haze crosses that I obtained from MNS. I have four Grail Widow and two Neville's Haze Mango plants at 7+ weeks of 12/12 now. One grail Widow went completely hermie on me a couple weeks ago and was culled. I've pulled a couple nanners off of one of these plants (GW3) a couple days ago after one of our regular Noreasters took out the power and interrupted the light schedule. The other plants are solid. The Grail Widows are impressing me much more than the NHM. Makes me think GW and NHM use different Neville's Haze moms.

GW2. My favorite plant, foxtailing like crazy. I think this one's gonna go 14+ weeks.
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GW3. Another beautiful hazey plant that will also probably go 14+ weeks.
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GW7. I also have a clone of this plant flowering. The big yielder of the group...I anticipate over a half pound of dried buds from these two plants, probably in 12-14 weeks. Wonderful incense smell.
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NHM2. Runt of the litter. Tiny buds but good resin production. The NHM plants smell sweeter than the Grail Widow plants.
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NHM3. This is the only plant that's giving me problems, with browning and drying leaves.
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[hesh]

Hi OCS!
Those girls look very nice.
Has anyone revealed the pedigree on Shanti's grail lines? I mean obviously the name suggests yours is half widow, but has Shanti shared the rest of the pedigree?

Raho, I've got a pack of these lined up to be popped next (along with either NHM or ChemSisxNH). Per the MNS forums, Shanti's stated that the Grail Widow is a select Black Widow male x NH female. I'd imagine that if Shanti selected the NH female it's one of those 1 in 100(0) finds. Seems everyone that's grown it says its top notch.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

Nice OCS. I can hardly believe someone in my own state actually grows an NLD. Bloody mystified!

Hey Stardog, I've admired the sativas and crosses you've grown and documented in this thread and assumed you were anywhere but Massachusetts, so I was equally floored to see someone as serious as you are about sativas growing in Massachusetts. I started growing a little over a year ago shortly after legalization - this is my 4th grow. I love sativas and would like to try growing them here in a greenhouse with light dep starting in early August. If my yard had a southern sun exposure I'd build a little hoop house and give it a try.

Hi OCS!
Those girls look very nice.
Has anyone revealed the pedigree on Shanti's grail lines? I mean obviously the name suggests yours is half widow, but has Shanti shared the rest of the pedigree?

Raho, I've got a pack of these lined up to be popped next (along with either NHM or ChemSisxNH). Per the MNS forums, Shanti's stated that the Grail Widow is a select Black Widow male x NH female. I'd imagine that if Shanti selected the NH female it's one of those 1 in 100(0) finds. Seems everyone that's grown it says its top notch.

I think the Black Widow male that fathers GW is that same one Shanti uses to make Mango Widow and La Nina. I am of the opinion that the NH mum in the GW is a different one than used in NHM.

Here's what the MNS GW strain description says (my emphasis):

This has been a long time coming! Finally the Grail has been made available, but as limited edition only. The Grail combines the strong particular spicy/earthy aromas of Haze with the fruity oniony aromas of the Widow family. This particular Haze female has dominated genetics top shelf strains since modern times and combining it with the original Widow male, makes for a mouthwatering experience and a mind blowing journey into a body high with a mind of clarity. This plant is not so difficult to get right but it definitely needs love and attention if you wish to get the Holy Grail of Stashesthere will be a need to cure the dried flower for 6 weeks to 3 months prior to smoking it you will understand!

If you carefully read the grow reports at MNS and compare the Grail Widow grows to the Neville's Haze Mango grows, the potency of the F1s seems to be significantly better and more consistent in effect for the GW plants compared to the NHM plants. My GWs are definitely bigger and more vigorous plants than my NHM plants, although my sample size is too small to be conclusive. My take is that the NH mom of GW is an old Dutch NH cut that Shanti got hold of. Not so sure about the NH that fathers the NHM.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

My Mango Haze crosses are always the largest plants. Mango is a big plant. I crossed it to the very first OG Kush from many years ago, and that plant always leads the grow

 

[BenjaminScissor]

I think I am the only person in the dirty south growing sativa strains, must be why I get so much more $ for my bud than the other guys around here. hehehehe

 

[Raho]

Raho, I've got a pack of these lined up to be popped next (along with either NHM or ChemSisxNH). Per the MNS forums, Shanti's stated that the Grail Widow is a select Black Widow male x NH female. I'd imagine that if Shanti selected the NH female it's one of those 1 in 100(0) finds. Seems everyone that's grown it says its top notch.

Hi Hesh!
I'd run the Chaco Nev's Sis over NHM every time.
That line is amazing.
Chaco's Nev male brings the sweet haze incense and Haze A effects in a fast package with big resin coated calyxes. High potency. The plants have great structure, vigor, and resistance to typical garden problems.

Be interesting to see which you preferred compared to the Grail.

Looks like Shanti's Nev selection in the grail is very sativa.
Seems logical if you are trying to lock down one or both of the haze traits, but why take the simplest haze cross and select against the traits you tried to add in the first outcross (faster flowering, denser flowers, higher resin production).
Then, hybridize it with a different (less desirable?) plant with the intention of adding faster flowering, denser flowers, and higher resin production?


Seems to me like the keeper in a great Nev's selection does not reject all NL5 traits, but keeps the best from all 3 parents.
I think that's what Chaco did.

BTW: Chem's Sister > any Widow ever IMO ;-)

 

[Raho]

I think I am the only person in the dirty south growing sativa strains, must be why I get so much more $ for my bud than the other guys around here. hehehehe

Yes, you are Benjamin
Keep keepin the sativa life alive

 

[Stardog]

Wow I wish it was similar situation up here in the "dirty north". Trust me at this time of year it's dirty and gross but if I ran all the NLD's I wanted I couldn't pay my power bill which is so absurdly high, it blows my mind. How could a state with this infrastructure have the highest rates in the entire 50 states? Ah, I'm just shooting off my mouth because when I moved here it was 11 cents /kwh and now it's close to 23 cents.
I shouldn't be complaining but I feel like I'm confined by an uneducated market of younger people who don't understand "how it used to be" but they have their place and I don't begrudge them for not having had the chance to live through the 70's and 80's when all this was far more rich and there was, perhaps, more pride in quality over quantity. Sure there were loads of jerks, there always will be but these hipsters I see around at the grow shop, sorry but they wouldn't have stood a chance " back in the day" so to speak. Now they have Dads money to open a dispensary, that shit burns my balls.
Bought a bag from a dispo in Montana and it came from one of the slickest looking buildings I've ever seen. Flowers were straight botrytis mold. They have all this money and turn out shit, I'd seen better flowers come out out of a Columbian fishing trawler. My apologies for ranting but some hipster just cut me off, red flannel, beard the whole thing. Maybe it's like Steely Dan said " and I'm just growing old, hey nineteen..."
See what happens when I don't have a camera anymore. I have the best sour d I've ever run and no camera and some really slick hybrids from Relentless that are leaning heavily to the NLD dominance. Better go trim and cool off. It wasn't for the friends I've made here at IC I'd be back living under a rock out in the high desert. If it wasn't for these guys... hell I don't know. Still operating as a one armed bandit so things are going slow trim wise and typing is a real chore but I'm still rolling. Just wanted to pop in to shake off the turbulence that hipster laid on me. Fuck it I'm posting this!

 

[toxic hippie]

Wow I wish it was similar situation up here in the "dirty north". Trust me at this time of year it's dirty and gross but if I ran all the NLD's I wanted I couldn't pay my power bill which is so absurdly high, it blows my mind. How could a state with this infrastructure have the highest rates in the entire 50 states? Ah, I'm just shooting off my mouth because when I moved here it was 11 cents /kwh and now it's close to 23 cents.
I shouldn't be complaining but I feel like I'm confined by an uneducated market of younger people who don't understand "how it used to be" but they have their place and I don't begrudge them for not having had the chance to live through the 70's and 80's when all this was far more rich and there was, perhaps, more pride in quality over quantity. Sure there were loads of jerks, there always will be but these hipsters I see around at the grow shop, sorry but they wouldn't have stood a chance " back in the day" so to speak. Now they have Dads money to open a dispensary, that shit burns my balls.
Bought a bag from a dispo in Montana and it came from one of the slickest looking buildings I've ever seen. Flowers were straight botrytis mold. They have all this money and turn out shit, I'd seen better flowers come out out of a Columbian fishing trawler. My apologies for ranting but some hipster just cut me off, red flannel, beard the whole thing. Maybe it's like Steely Dan said " and I'm just growing old, hey nineteen..."
See what happens when I don't have a camera anymore. I have the best sour d I've ever run and no camera and some really slick hybrids from Relentless that are leaning heavily to the NLD dominance. Better go trim and cool off. It wasn't for the friends I've made here at IC I'd be back living under a rock out in the high desert. If it wasn't for these guys... hell I don't know. Still operating as a one armed bandit so things are going slow trim wise and typing is a real chore but I'm still rolling. Just wanted to pop in to shake off the turbulence that hipster laid on me. Fuck it I'm posting this!

I feel ya stardog. Hope ya get better soon

 

[MAHA KALA]

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[Stardog]

I have 2 clones I found in those same F2's running right now and after about 40+ days of 12/12 they're starting to look pretty good. It's a bit crowded in that tray with a few other Nevs Blueberry X Sour Grape cuts I'd saved from last fall. These OG Cookie Hazes from Relentless though are really coming into shape. There's 4 females that I saved cuts from and they're all great, super smelly plants, loaded with glistening trichs, After a slow start they're looking like some of the best seed stock I've run in a good while.
Not sure of the exact way he combo'd the 3 but to my eye and nose the SSH part may have been 50% of the mix but the best part is that they have that smell of the older SSH and a heavy OG odor mixed up. We were checking them over yesterday and were truly impressed @ day 45 give or take. They look like they'll go 80+ days so I'm looking forward to the outcome.
Hoping to flip the OGBK 2.0 and Sour Dub today. Finally cleaned the room out, scrubbed it down etc, just have to drain and wash the rez and they're in there. The weather's changed for the better so I'm running them up there no matter what.
Crazy enough I've been smoking some Glue stuff I took to 80 days. The stuff is still impressive no matter how hyped a cut it is, I hadn't run one in a good while. I wrapped up and sealed all my sour d for the future and kept an oz or so because I need that in the morning, noon and night. Having had so many so so runs of that one that were good but when it's right I have to keep it stashed.
It's been one of the roughest months I can remember weather wise but now that I finally paid down my power bill I can let loose without worrying about the lights going out. Can't fight the power company, that would be like me taking on a Navy destroyer with my 25' boat and a pellet gun...

 

[ChemDgMillionre]

Lots of action over there as always, sounds tasty brother!

That’s the one thing I DONT miss about being out there... my power bill was insane! Pretty much half the cost where I’m at now... and what I really want to get into is some solar panels.

 

[Stardog]

It's good to hear it's not just me. When I hear what other people are paying for power in less "civilized" states I'm nearly in disbelief. Remember in all the old westerns some guy would show up from Boston and everybody rolls their eyes... as Boston always stood for the urbane, ultra civilized, law and order, hyper educated place. It may be many of those things and I can't speak for Boston as I've only been to the airport there but state wise you would think the liberal establishment would have the power companies playing "fair", in a relative sense anyway.
That same liberal establishment though allows me to grow whatever I want and unless you're some high roller you're not going to find a bed at the states expense in a private prison. Honestly I think you would have to murder at least 2 people to lock yourself a spot in the jail...I'm being slightly sarcastic there but truly you'd have to work pretty hard to spend one night in jail for anything canna related. So my power bill is too high, things could be much worse, esp when I see what others have had to go through in less lenient states. Just don't flaunt it and you'll be fine. I could drive through stop signs all day with 10 oz in my car, not that I would but they care as much about cannabis as they do lettuce if you're over 21.
Across the street though is the National Park and that's another thing, another world, loaded with feds that do not play around so I don't ever go that way with even a gram in the vehicle. No sitting in your car watching the surf and having a puff or two.