My stealth cabinet

[dansbuds]

Strapped has some good advise. You should reconsider the fans on the intakes. It can only be the cause of issues down the line. Positive pressure introduced into the cab or grow room is never a real good idea. Putting fans on the intakes isn't going to be the best bang for the buck anyway. I would consider increasing the exhaust "suck" instead of intake "blow". Any failures at all with the filtered exhaust, and the little fans at intake can blow funk out of every nook and cranny the grow has.
Your passive intakes should be plenty big. If the temps were in check with the carbon filter disconnected, then reconnect it and add exhaust fan pressure. (increase fan size or CFM)

what if i created more negative pressure in my cabinet by blocking off some of my intake ??? wouldn't that in theory remove more of my air & heat without having to up my cfm's ??? or would i still have heat probs cuz of the 250 watter ?
i've got a pretty good negative pressure now cuz you hear the air sucking through the door when its open a crack or as i'm closing it you can hear it then too .

maybe i should just leave it alone ..... if it ain't broke don't fix it huh LOL .

 

[Baba Ku]

Blocking off air flow will only hurt the situation more.
If you have neg pressure now, then perhaps your vents and filter are blocking more air flow than it would appear. I suggest adding another intake. It may surprise you how just that move can change the whole character of the grow. You could even try to take the filter material out and see how the helps things. I bet it makes a major difference. You don't really need it IMO anyway...I mean, how much filtered air do OD plants get nowadays?

If you can hear air whirling in the door crack, then you can stand to have more intake.
It is the system asking for more air that allows us to notice this air movement and noise.
The optimum scenario would be for the door crack to have a very very slight inward tug. One that is almost unnoticeble by the grower.
This is true in just about every grow situation there is.

 

[dansbuds]

i'll try removing the filter from the intakes first ... they're only there to block light mainly & stop dust particles i can do that with a stocking over the vent . light leaks behind the cabinet are not really a concern as i can set my 12 / 12 schedual so the lights are on while i'm awake & off while i'm sleeping .

thanx for all the help here guys ..... its much appreciated !!!!

 

[dansbuds]

finally got some batteries for the digi ... made a few adjustments to cab recently . removed the filter from inside to on top ofthe cabinet in the box it came in with both ends open . changed my reflector to the one from my sunsystem 250 same unit the ballast & socket came from .

the few little modifications & the seasons changing here my temps are near perfect ... 80.4 with all 4 lights burning 78.4 with just the hps going & the coldest i've seen it with no lights or fan running is 71.7 . humidity is between 40% to 55 so far no water in the system yet so that may go up slightly but i have a dehumidifier if needed. have plenty of air circulation now after talking to a few good people here ( removed the filter from the intake vents & replaced with a knee high stocking just to cut down on the dust inside. )

thats my orange kush mom in the cab veggin so i can grab a few more clones off her.

should be up & running with 4 plants by next weekend ( fingers crossed ) the bubble cloner i made killed off all but one clone (my fault .... bad temps ) a SD that i grabbed from the mom i had to trash ....damn root aphids !!! & even 6 OK clones i tried to root .

but i read the thread here about the Walmart cloner & came up with my version with things i had here already . I decided to go with Hempys instead of DWC cuz of my bug probs plus trying to keep individual buckets at a low constant temp was gonna be impossible . so using vermiculite & perilite to clone with is perfect for putting them into hempy buckets .
i did a hempy mix of 4 to 1 vermic & perilite just like the buckets they'll be put into . i had a plastic snap lid tupperware ontainer that had 3 seperate containers inside that fit together perfectly

i took the 3 smaller containers & drilled a small hole in each corner ... 1/16 bit i think lol then filled the containers with a wet P&V mix ... packed it down good , used a 10 penny nail to make my hole ... cut 3 new clones off the OK mom scared the bottom part of the stem dipped them good in some rootech gel... dropped them in packed them again .. then put a small amount of water in the main dish not much cuz they fit pretty snug in there ... just enough to keep them moist .
that was last thursday ... now a week later they're about an inch taller with all new growth & nice & green ...... i thinks i finally got it !!! LOL

you can see the seperate containers in this shot

and my temps with the reptile heat mat....man what a PIA it was getting the temps right without a thermostat !!!! finally got it with a timer set to 15min on every 6 hrs & a few things under the container to disipate the heat . ( i know .... cheap bastard .. go buy the thermostat !! LMAO )

oh yeah the SD clone i was able to save & my mat timer in the back ground

Damn was i stoned when i wrote this .... that SD only gets better with time !!!

 

[dansbuds]

getting closer !!!!

my 3 OK clones are rooted & growing so i stuck them into the cabinet to veg with thier mom lol also have my SD clone in there getting bigger .
took 6 more clones off the OK mom tonight also & started them in vermic cups with water filled to just about stem bottoms in the cups . with 2 1 foot T5's about 16 " above them on 24 hrs . the heat mat is still on the 15 min every 6 hr schedual & my temps are perfect .... so i figure i'll keep them in the cups for 2 weeks or so before sticking them into veg . then all the clones will go into hempy buckets 2 gallon size be put in the cab & vegged till they hit the scrog net then set into flowering . gonna start with 6 buckets ... prolly gonna have to cut it down to the best 4 before flowering though cuz of room size .
the mom will then be put away into the clone room till needed again .
heres some pics of everything ...
the cab now ....

the mom after removing 6 more clones tonight ...

my SD clone that got saved ..... the only one left

and my 3 rooted OK clones

damn these temps are perfect !!! i hope they stay like this ....

i'll get back to this after everything is in its place in the cab shortly . see ya guys hope ya like it so far .
may have to start a new grow thread LOL

 

[dansbuds]

oh shit ...... i forgot the new clone pics .. the ones i took tonight & put in vermiculite cups

 

[dansbuds]

Today is the 28th, on the 20th i put 2 OK clones & 1 SD clone in 2 gallon hempy buckets . after about 6 days of watering every day with low dosage nutes .... the roots hit the rez & took off so i stopped watering till they dry out . (watered yesterday.... so prolly tomorrow before they need it again )
gonna let them veg for a little bit . going to build a 2 piece scrog net so that i can put the 2 OK plants on one side & the SD plant on the other side of the cab . and the 2 pice net (pics after i build it so you can see what i mean about 2 piece ) cuz the SD will stretch more & has a longer flower time too so i need to be able to take one out & leave the other in longer .
only going with the 3 for now cuz i'm not having good luck cloning .
but for now some updated pics .
the 2 plants in the middle are my orange kush .... the one on the right is my sour diesle . the back bucket has nothing in it was gonna be another sd but .... no luck

the sketch pad is there to shade the lights from a bubble cloner with 12 clones in it .pics later

these girls were all topped & throwing 4 nice branches off the top now ... the SD had 5 branches that were all topped also & putting at least 2 new branches on each one ... these are gonna be a treat to scrog especially the SD she stretches like crazy !!! not sure about the orange kush .... will find out though !!!

 

[dansbuds]

as i've just said ... i'm not having any luck with cloning
my mother cabinet is running to hot & way to much humidity so the only thing thats in there now is the OK mom that i stripped down to a few tops for more clones tonight ( not really concerned if the mom makes it or not cuz i can get more & if i ever perfect my cloning i can take a clone for a new mom . better pheno hopefully .

heres the mom after i took 15 clones off her tonight .

oops !!! wrong pic .....admins can we change this ?

i had 7 clones in mini hempys sitting in water over the rez hole on the side of the cup but they were wilting so i decided to try a few different things tonight after doing some reading over the last few days about cloning .
first off i took 15 more clones off the mom ... put them in a cup of ph'ed water right after cutting them .removed the extra branches & cut each one at a 45 degree angle while submersed in a small bowl of water .
then i took the 7 out of the hempys & 5 new cuts & put them in my bubble cloner (a dual outlet pump with a T going to a 4" shell shaped air stone ) inside a lock top tupperware container

water temps are good & they're in my cabinet on the floor with that sketch pad blocking most of the light .... nicely shaded no direct light hitting them .
i hope this works this time

also put 7 in small dixie cups styro type that i cut in half & poked a hole in the botton with a pencil & filled with fine vermiculite put them in a plastic flat bottomed bowl of water & let them wick up the water .... was quick too ..got them sitting on my desk top with a 25 watt flouro over them prolly about 15 " above them .

the last 5 bigger clones that i took i put in neoprene pucks with the stem an inch & a half below the pucks put them in glaas cups filled with ph'ed water & put them on the upper shelf in my cab . good heat up there ... maybe to much but we'll see & indirect lighting from the cab below ( theres a 1 inch gap between my shel front & the doors so they do get indirect lighting .
shitty pic but you get the idea

thats it for now ...will get pics of the net once i figure out what i'm going to do in that respect . ( any ideas ???? was gonna go with a pvc net but the off gassing thread turned me off that idea . what about if i paint the pvc before i put it in the cab ? would that stop the nasty gasses ??? ) & will get pics as i train & supercrop these girls through the net .



stoned again !!!!! LMAO sorry about the mom pic ...here it is

 

[dansbuds]

got my scrog net made & put in the cab . i didn't build a 2 piece like i wanted ....just couldn't figure out how without alot of mods to the cab . so i went with a 1 piece that covers the whole 22"x 35" space i have . i used the pvc 1/2" pipe & 90's i had here & painted them white after it was glued together & then wrapped it all in silver reflective duct work tape (not duct tape LOL .... much thinner _) i had some wire fencing in the garage from a outdoor veg garden . the holes are 2"x 3" square ... so should work good in a scrog net . i have it 14" above the buckets & that still leaves me with 30 " above the net for grow space .

well heres some pics with it installed

once the bubble cloner is removed the plants will go in thier right spots (the SD is now but the OK plants have to be moved over ) to be wove through the net . i figure about 2 weeks for the OK to reach the net but the SD is almost there now .... can start weaving that girl soon

 

[dansbuds]

these were taken on the 17th
my SD clone

& 3 OK clones

to what i have today the 31st ...2 weeks later .
2 OK plants on the left & my SD plant on the right

Lookin pretty good to me ..... can't wait to try this orange kush .....if thats what it really is ....just what i was told . will have you guys take a closer look as they get bigger .... maybe somebody here can verify that for me .
thanks guys .... more in about a week .

 

[EliTheBarrowBoy]

That is one sweet dream of a cabinet!

K++

 

[5th]

Glad its all coming together for ya man. Hate to admit it but until I read it was "Orange Kush", I was wondering why you were referring to your clones as just "OK". lol

 

[dansbuds]

Well here I go changing things up again ..... I wonder if i'll ever get this cab to the point where i leave it be & just grow my buds ?
i was reading here about different scrogging styles & came across freeworldorders thread about his scrog .I fell in love with his net & its function .
his thread....https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174696
I wasn't happy with the way my net came out ...was to bulky & was gonna be a PIA to get out of the cab. someone suggested that i not use a frame at all & just use cup hooks to hold a net in place .... DUHHHH why didn't i think of that myself .
so i kinda redesigned my net & this is what i came up with ....

a better shot ...

its shaped like a bowl so my light can come down real close to the plants & give more even lighting to the buds .
may have to get that bubble cloner out of there sooner than i expected do to the rapid growth of these girls . My SD is in place & coming through the net nicely ... allready tying branches down . the 2 OK plants have to be placed yet .

a couple shots of the OK ...

can't wait to see this net full of nice fat buds !!!!!

 

[Baba Ku]

I can give you an experienced comment on the screen.
I too had the same thought process at one time, and tried a bowl shaped screen. The buds have a funny way of actually knowing what bud is higher than the rest, and as a typical thing the top buds get the fattest. With a bowled screen the plant senses the outer buds being up higher than the buds in the middle, and as a result the ones in the middle do not progress as well as the outer buds. (yes, even with the light being closer to the middle buds)
By keeping the screen at a level plane, the buds can't distinguish one being higher than another and as a result they all progress basically the same, and provide a much more uniform scrog of buds.

Keep at it!

 

[Strapped]

DB, how'd your cloning experiment end up going? Seeing roots yet on any?

 

[dansbuds]

I can give you an experienced comment on the screen.
I too had the same thought process at one time, and tried a bowl shaped screen. The buds have a funny way of actually knowing what bud is higher than the rest, and as a typical thing the top buds get the fattest. With a bowled screen the plant senses the outer buds being up higher than the buds in the middle, and as a result the ones in the middle do not progress as well as the outer buds. (yes, even with the light being closer to the middle buds)
By keeping the screen at a level plane, the buds can't distinguish one being higher than another and as a result they all progress basically the same, and provide a much more uniform scrog of buds.

Keep at it!

Hmmmm thats interesting baba .... even tying the branches tight to the screen so they're uniform in the net .... this would still happen ?
maybe i should level out the net . gonna have to look into this .

 

[dansbuds]

strapped ... cloning still not going well for me
the only thing thats still alive are the cuts in the bubble cloner .8th day now still no signs of roots & have changed the water twice . just added some thrive alive red to the water after changing it this time so ....

the 7 in vermic wilted & died after the 5 day mark like everything else i've tried . the 5 i had in neoprene pucks in ph'ed water setting in the top of my cab got heat stressed so i took them out & put them into a hydrofarm hot house i bought from the local hydro shop . i bought some clonex & rapid rooters for the hot house & put 3 of the cuts that got heat stressed & 6 new OK cuttings & 6 SD cuts into it . will see how it goes . every cut was properly taken cut & prepped correctly ....i think . temps have all been around 80 degrees give or take a couple degrees . but after 5 days they just wilt & die .... i can't figure it out . thought it was the cab i made for my moms & clones .... not enough ventilation & to humid but this time everything was on my desk & got the same results . dunno
heres the hot house & RR plugs soaked in LK & thrive alive (acouple drops ) then squeezed out the excess water till just damp .... put a little water in the bottom tray for humidity ...sprayed the inside of the dome with thrive alive foliar spray & set on the seedling mat .... 2 OK cuts wilted by the next day & by today the 3 heat stressed cuts i put in wilted . i'm down to 5 SD cuts & 6 OK cuts left in it . so ..... we'll see i guess .

don't pay attention to the readings on the meter in the dome ... i just set it in there before the pic .... it wasn;t acurate at that time .

 

[dansbuds]

after a half hour in under the dome its reading 78.5 degrees & 84% humidity so unless i'm wrong ... these readings are in a good range .

my fingers are crossed .

 

[Strapped]

damn bro sorry about you're luck. I was pretty sure the wick method would work for you. Maybe the beer cups were too big or something? Hopefully the RR plugs or different gel will give you better results.

 

[Baba Ku]

Where are you making your clone cuts? The roots will emerge from a nodal area, and having too much stem below that area can cause things to stall. Try cutting just below the node, and letting it be the lowest part of the clone. So basically there will be very little stem, and the node will have the one or two leaf branches you cut off nubbed at the bottom of the clone.