My Perpetual Ebb & Flow Cabinets

[imnotcrazy]

Update 11/19

Update 11/19

Well finally cnanged out flowering table res. Made the switch to PBP, leaning to the organic side, maybe people will stop ragging on the fact that I don't flush. The rez was set to 37.5mL/gal PBP, 10mL/gal Liquid Karma, 10mL/gal Sweet and 5ml/gal Cal-Mg+ the rez reads @ 2600ppm (3.80mS which includes 160ppm (.23mS? how do you do the conversion back again fowards is EC x conv factor)from tap water)@5.4PH (maybe that's why the guy told me to use the diff calib solution if I did what reads 1800 now would be @ 1400 whth diff calibration bringing the correct PBP nute levels to a reading more like what the GH Lucas was giving me all while providing a similar nutrient profile to the GH because "organics" read higher on the meter ), (I used less than bottle suggested as Sweet has Mg I'll add a lil more PBP for N-P-K-Ca defs. Because I just set up the cab to get back up and running I used all the equipment I could from my old cab which housed 2 flood tables like I have now with 1 x 400HPS/MH switchable over each, sometimes running mixed spectrum sometimes all HPS. Want to see about 2 18"x24" trays one for Early one for late flower (like before) and a 6"x24" tray/SWC Bubbler to flush for 3days-a week. But I also need to figure a way to fit the trays and still get the air flow I want throught the shelf under the tray(s) if the trays wind up being like the one I have now no problem with angled sides. If square I'll need to get Dark room louvers for the top portion of the cab right above the trays on the back wall obviously. That would make my fan more efficient ie: more changes of cab air/min due to cuttong 6'+ interior height down to @ 4'. Building the carbon filter this week hopefully and if I ever get to Lowe's or HD, look for different tray ideas so I can gut the tray in there now (and quell the masses )and paint(and thompson's water seal the tray(s) shelf. Been busy getting called 3hrs before a hockey game 40 miles away to find out there is no game when I get there But I did get all this stuff done anyway. And I found out my order payment for seedbay got through customs 3 new strains and a 1 gallon 7 bag set of Bubblebags here we come

PS: Forgot to mention I'm finally evaporating the alcohol off of the batch of QWISO I made with the trimmings from last harvest.

 

[Mibri]

Sounds nice with that order safely at home. What strains did u order?
Im getting me one of those bubble bag systems when closer to harvest. That oil you're making is probably gonna be really nice too.
I've allways grown outside, so haven't tasted the difference between flushed and not, but it probably tastes and burns better doing it. What is PBP?

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Man INC - you've been a busy dude this weekend! And hockey too!

Enjoy your ISO quick wash goodies

 

[Hella Fella]

PBP=Pure Blend Pro Pretty solid Botanicare product.... A little on the weak side for my tastes..


Don't go getting so crazy about your EC and pH reading's.... They make people neurotic and way too concerned....

I haven't taken EITHER in about 6 month's, and all my sheeit work's JUST FINE! Check out the thread in my sig if you think I'm crazy!


Don't knock NOT FLUSHING, It has never made sense to me to STARVE a plant when it's in its most metabollically active stage?!? I understand CUTTING BACK on all the nute's your shoving down their throats, but c'mon, am I the only one that think's flushing is COUNTER-intiative?? NONE of my weed snap's or crackle's OR pop's! Am I a freak?

 

[Guest]

i flush because i use chems and i can tell the diferenmce between the flushed and unflushed...BIGTIME

PBP=Pure Blend Pro Pretty solid Botanicare product.... A little on the weak side for my tastes..


Don't go getting so crazy about your EC and pH reading's.... They make people neurotic and way too concerned....

I haven't taken EITHER in about 6 month's, and all my sheeit work's JUST FINE! Check out the thread in my sig if you think I'm crazy!


Don't knock NOT FLUSHING, It has never made sense to me to STARVE a plant when it's in its most metabollically active stage?!? I understand CUTTING BACK on all the nute's your shoving down their throats, but c'mon, am I the only one that think's flushing is COUNTER-intiative?? NONE of my weed snap's or crackle's OR pop's! Am I a freak?

 

[Hella Fella]

Ok...... I use chems too! The same as many of my friends! CuttingEdgeSolutions [local Humboldt {SantaRosa} company] And I cant tell a BIT of difference between theirs and mine [unflushed]


I'm not saying everyone's WRONg for flushing, I just think people should think deeper then "common knowledge" that so commonly get's flung around! Remember, scaling back ur nute application rate isn't a BAD thing, but hitting the brake's I think is unnecessary!

 

[Guest]

too each his own...too each his own my friend...peace

Ok...... I use chems too! The same as many of my friends! CuttingEdgeSolutions [local Humboldt {SantaRosa} company] And I cant tell a BIT of difference between theirs and mine [unflushed]


I'm not saying everyone's WRONg for flushing, I just think people should think deeper then "common knowledge" that so commonly get's flung around! Remember, scaling back ur nute application rate isn't a BAD thing, but hitting the brake's I think is unnecessary!

 

[Hella Fella]

Totally! I'm just "puttin-it-out-there" not arguing with anyone. You know "devil's advocate" like??!

I remember a GROW FAQ from WAAAAY back on OG that was "debating" this very issue.... I used to flush religiously too, untill I drew my own conclusions "based" on some of the things in that article/paper....

Do you have multiple res's where you could possibly do one flushed and one not? You know, side-by-side comparison? That is the only way I/one can ever be certin of differences in product lines or additives in this game! Differences in all variables from run to run can never certify differences between outcomes!

 

[-VT-]

Why are you making QWISO????

 

[imnotcrazy]

unicorn: What's the deal I DON'T flush and I DON'T have a problem. I DON'T use sulfuric acid for PH down and DON'T have a problem. I prep for harvest/new clones by topping off rez with tapwater once a week and drop nute strength for that a good cure fixes the rest. I think I do a DAMN good job with these girls considering the multitude of strains and different stages of growth on ONE TRAY. If you don't like the methods you see in my thread DON'T VISIT IT. When I upgrade from the original cabinet's 24" x 36" tray to 2 - 22" x 22" for 2 different concentracions of flowering nute and one 6" x 24" to FLUSH I'll let you know so you can come back. For now though, I feel you've made your point over and over again, in multiple threads and are now becomeing rather TROLLISH...... When you can grow up and have a healthy discussion/dabate like a grown man maybe you'll come off IGNORE..

Hella Fella: Agreed, why take away what the plant could use. Sometimes a flush is good on finicky strains but taking everything away isn't necessarily the solution. As you can see, unicorn's complaint is I'm not running all of my strains optimally, which I have agreed with numerous times (it's becoming rather annoying, considering I've mentioned the cab will eventually be upgraded. Hell, it's not even painted inside yet) and even gave him + rep for what he was saying. Now he is using what you are saying to come back in here and REPEAT the same shit over and over. When I see a thread of his where he applys the same techniques that I am using with better results maybe he'll come off IGNORE.....

-VT-:Had it made just never evaped the ISO, then decided to buy the bags. 6-10 clones are coming out the cab within 2 weeks, I'll have plenty of trimmings to do a side by side run with you...

 

[-VT-]

Cool

 

[-VT-]

Forgot to mention...when you mentioned Oscar Meyer...that rang a bell...one of my OG mentors, Joecrowe (a grower I hold in high regard), posted with Oscar Meyer, thus I read a lot of his posts...he was active in the latter days a lil' bit....that guy knew/knows his shit...sounds like you learned from the best OG had bro....Joecrowe never flushed either

In my mind, no one has ever refuted the scientific facts presented in Varaan's thread at OG, which in my view was the most comprehensive, factual, and civil "flushing debate"...back when OG was a great place....before I showed up LOL

 

[Guest]

you mistake my opinions for more then that...i just stated my .02 on the flush
thing...i never said you were not doing well...did i?did i knock your grow...NO...just stated my opinion...if you cant handle criticism maybe you shouldn't start a thread...i never said you have any problems accept feeding and flushing obviously...if they are not problems for you thats fine...peace already...did i not give you + karma aswell...opinions we all have them...just like i think putting some one on ignore for there opinion is acting like a little school girl...you obviously dont feel the same

unicorn: What's the deal I DON'T flush and I DON'T have a problem. I DON'T use sulfuric acid for PH down and DON'T have a problem. I prep for harvest/new clones by topping off rez with tapwater once a week and drop nute strength for that a good cure fixes the rest. I think I do a DAMN good job with these girls considering the multitude of strains and different stages of growth on ONE TRAY. If you don't like the methods you see in my thread DON'T VISIT IT. When I upgrade from the original cabinet's 24" x 36" tray to 2 - 22" x 22" for 2 different concentracions of flowering nute and one 6" x 24" to FLUSH I'll let you know so you can come back. For now though, I feel you've made your point over and over again, in multiple threads and are now becomeing rather TROLLISH...... When you can grow up and have a healthy discussion/dabate like a grown man maybe you'll come off IGNORE..

Hella Fella: Agreed, why take away what the plant could use. Sometimes a flush is good on finicky strains but taking everything away isn't necessarily the solution. As you can see, unicorn's complaint is I'm not running all of my strains optimally, which I have agreed with numerous times (it's becoming rather annoying, considering I've mentioned the cab will eventually be upgraded. Hell, it's not even painted inside yet) and even gave him + rep for what he was saying. Now he is using what you are saying to come back in here and REPEAT the same shit over and over. When I see a thread of his where he applys the same techniques that I am using with better results maybe he'll come off IGNORE.....

-VT-:Had it made just never evaped the ISO, then decided to buy the bags. 6-10 clones are coming out the cab within 2 weeks, I'll have plenty of trimmings to do a side by side run with you...

 

[imnotcrazy]

Yeah I just lurked OG from 2001-2003 then saw OM's setup and he and joecrowe did do some really nice work along with alot of others. Just wish I stayed in better touch with OM

EDIT: I remember VARAAN's thread "To flush or not to flush" no? was really well written and well documented. Proved alot, like how a full flush could HURT yields if I remember it all.

BTW look who showed up again lol

 

[northcoastmed]

crazy...any updates on the rotation or seedlings?

 

[Mibri]

Yes, dude. I'm ready for some pics.

 

[-VT-]

Proved alot, like how a full flush could HURT yields if I remember it all.

For me, what was compelling was the banter regarding translocation of N to make THC (this would affect potency in this context)...

I flush by attrition, reducing EC gradually btw (this practice of reducing EC during final phase was espoused by many in that thread)

it was explained scientifically how N is translocated and used to make THC...and no one refuted the point...(I wish I could explain it with clarity, precision, and intelligence)...but this is your growshow...not a debate. You can do what the phunk you wanna do...

Yea a garden update will get us back on track

 

[Hella Fella]

Yeah, Varran...... Thats right....


I wish Oscar haddn't fallen off, I remember him saying needing to "take some time off for life" or sumpthing.... But he never floated back!! Good fella... I've been paying it forward from him, but I always wished I coulda "gotten him back"!

 

[imnotcrazy]

No pics till next week fellas sorry. Cousin/roomie took the cam to get pics of his kid w/the inlaws . Gonna try to borrow sister's Canon 20D SLR should get some nice pics if she'll loan it to me. Probably can, but it's her baby..... Either way, if I can borrow a cam I'll add pics to this post and make and updated post

I'll post whatever info I can until then

The moms are same as usual, maybe a real good trim and a fresh rez in the cards for this weekend

Put all seedlings into a netcup with hydroton for support they're getting pretty big:
5 Sour Diesel IBLs
4 Wonder Haze
4 Super Silver Haze
5 Sweettooth #3
1 Blockhead sprout
2 Jack Herer sprouts (let's see if I can get them to pull through)

and I cracked all the remaining seeds (Blockhead, SSH and JH) with a pair of tweezers and put them into new towels, if 2 JHs popped I'll leave them in there it has only been a week and a half or so.

Plants should be coming down on 11/28, 11/30 (testers that rooted late) and 12/4, as long as they look ready with the trusty Radio Shack microscope. I have Ice in the lineup, 2 diff tester fems. Let's see if we have a keeper on our hands. Along with some Northern Lights, Blue Mystic and White Rhino. Also, some of the plants that are @ 1 month or less showed some slight N def so I bumpped up the PBP and Ca-Mg+ to full strength (45mL and 10mL/ gallon respectively)

And my payment arrived/order shipped on 11/20 should have some nice things entering the mix (knocks on wood). SAGE, Sensi Star and Romulan. And the Bubblebags should be here just in time to test them out w/ some fresh trimmings

 

[Mibri]

Darn, those strains are nice, bro. I regret i just through my last five Jack seeds away. You make it sound like i should have given them more than a week in the towels. Where was it you bought that mix of seeds? Those bubble bags sure sound like a must. Gonna be on my wish list for x-mas along with the ec-meter.
Do u just freeze fresh trim before putting in the bubble bag?