My first two ever plants are in trouble - Your help requested

[Guest]

We had got a huge box of latex gloves some time back. They have been in my cabinet now for longer than the girls have been flowering. LOL

Also, tell me what you think, I went to a store that has all the homey kinda shit and got a portable warddrobe closet that is 36" w x 20 d and 6.5 ft tall. There was also another that was only 18" wide. I liked it more because it touted itself as unbleached, 100 % cotton. Well, I went with the larger one, got it home and unpacked it. And immediately repacked it. The plastic odor was overwhelming! So I will get the cotton one, this one has a steel frame but must be supported at the top. GOOD! I have more bungy cords waiting to play their parts.

I plan to have a cutout for a hookup to one of the flower hut intakes. I plan to cut it at the topside of the wardrobe tent to feed to the flower hut. And then open enough on the opposite bottom side for passive ventilation. I would give the wardrobe as much air in opening as it needs to not impede the exhaust system in the flower hut. I have to implement odor control into the drying stage and I don't have any other option but to have it's odor be pulled through the carbon filter.

Does that sound like it can work and keep the best interests of the bud at the front of the list?

 

[Guest]

Well, just a update. Day 58 for SWT3 and 54 for the Safari mixes.
I continue to water with ph adjusted ro water and last night I added in 2ml of Cal Mag+.
SWT3
The buds appear to have stopped growing and have a greyish appearance from the trichs changing from clear. The trichs look like they may still be increasing, not sure. I don't know what amber will look like in the trichs til I see it, don't think they show any yet.

Mandala Safari Mix
They are doing great, I can't imagine they are going to go on and on, the buds plumped up really well. I have no idea since they are a mix and are tall, skinny, sativa looking leaves. One of them is starting to look crystalized in the trichs which is nice! I am smoking some Chemdawg, I believe, at this time and that looks crystally too. I hope I am OK with flush for them since I started flush for all the plants at the same time.

Is it wise to do major sun leave clipping 6 hrs. or so into their last light cycle? I would then cut the following day around when the lights would be scheduled to come on. That would make it easier for me but if it is better to cut the sun leaves and chop at the same time then I would prefer to do that.


That's about it, I had thought I'd be cutting this past weekend but I'm still waiting to see if I can catch that whole 15% amber thing.

 

[Guest]

Also, I'm embarrassed to admit they look more vital since I started flushing...

Oh well, mark that into the learning curve column!

 

[gmanwho]

Also, I'm embarrassed to admit they look more vital since I started flushing...

Oh well, mark that into the learning curve column!

hey there

I believe you probably could keep the calmag out of her diet from now on.

That hut should work great, infact it sounds like a great idea.

When you say Vital, you mean better or worse? Im thinking you mean better, but i am unsure.

Ive always experienced when things go wrong flushing helps them out abit. Just this last grow i am in my final 10 days of flush, Day 67, chop any day now.

Just with this last ph'd watering, 2nd watering with just ph'd water. Day 64 i saw a noticeable increase in size. flowering hairs have increased greatly, lots of eraser size pods with hairs just exploding out. Ohhhhh ya, bring on the weight.

I probably had some excess build up on my roots. Water uptake has also increased. I also set my room temp to 75 F.

these are a 58-65 day strain. there where problems w/my low ph soil. So i believe these problems are leading to the extended flowering period. ( i waited this long, i can wait another 5-7 days if needed) Now with the straight watering, the plant is clearing up.

Humm ...so vital you mean better? right?

B-safe

 

[gmanwho]

JJs: Another thought here.... something i always noticed, but now actually believe i have an answer, and will be more prepared for next time, i hope. Another reason IMO that by flushing you unknowingly remove this problem described below.

In my experience and seems others experience this as well.... Mostly any gardener can grow a healthy plant in veg, its the flowering part that requires much more skill.

it always turns at that 25-40 day into flowering, when the plant reverts from N uptake to P K uptake. The plant sends the excess N down to the roots for next seasons regrowth, ( much as bulbed plants sends the nutrients back down to the bulb for next springs blossom)

these excess nutes at the root zone lock out additional P & K uptake, cause calcium and mag defs, potassium & phos lockouts. We only make things worse by continuing to feed bloom nutes, causing major havoc and lockouts. Nute burn also occurs due to excess N at roots, and now then the extra nutrients we are feeding on top of that. Nute burn strikes.

The plant cant get anything from her roots, so she turns to the leafs, and thats when it all goes down hill.Yellowing, tips start to burn, tips die and works there way in.

The trick is learning at this point, when she sends here nutes to root zone, to flush it all away. Like i said its usually somewhere around the 30 day or so mark. dime size , nickel size pom pom airy buds point.

I believe this is another reason why some mfgs. dont mix there P in with there N & K. They run an A & B mix.

Something i learned recently, when i read it a 1k watt light ignited in my head. Figuired i's pass it along.

B-safe

 

[Guest]

By vital I do mean healthier. For example, the sun leaves and the stems became noticeably stronger looking. Vital in the way you would positively describe breasts as perky.

I think I got my point across, thank you very much.

I'm buying what you're selling in regards to feeding. That sounds very interesting. This time around I plan to monitor runoff of plain watering with CalMag and molasses every other or so by EC and go real light with any additives or additional nutrients. I don't understand well enough what to hit them with and when in regards to the flowering cycle as you said. I will be potting up from 3 to 5 gal. within the first two weeks of them going into flowering. I potted up maybe two weeks ago from 1 or 2 gal to 3. The runoff right now for the girls in the 3 gal bags is like 2700 ec!!!
Again, the soil I use is pretty hot from what I've read, Fox Farm Ocean Forest. Even though the pH I water with goes in at 6.80 or less, the pH runoff seems to be a little higher at the low 7's.

I would like to hear more about your feeding schedule as you put it together!

gmanwho:
Thanks for your input, I can't tell you how much of a help you have been and the direction you've given me.

 

[gmanwho]

You should be in 5 gal with that size plants you have. In fact some will even double stack two 5 gal buckets on top of each other. i havent yet tried it but, iv seen some serious results. ( just make sure the top bucket has large holes, like 3/4 in. drains.) then the lower 5 gal like 3/4 filled with soil, enough so the top 5 gal is not easily tipped out of the lower bucket.

I am running soil, and experimenting with hydro. PH is sooooooooooo important, and I myself find one hell of a time battling soil ph, and soil amendment break downs.

Another thing there. The fox farm soil. See..... i dont remember you stating the fox farm soil before, this threads been around for a few months, and i forgot this important fact. I apologize. But this is veryyyyyyy important.

With that FF soil straight, you could probably have very decent results with using veryyy little nutes. maybe even feeding every 2 waterings.

Ive even read of people using like one bag of Foxfarm soil to one bail of promix or similar and adding perlite & vermic.

Its hard to gauge soil with alot of nutrients already in it. Or even making a soil with added amendments like Blood meal, bone meal, potash, guano.. the list goes on. there are break down points when the amendments in the soil loose there usefulness or even become to hot or toxic to the plant.

2ndly ive learned, if i make a soil with all these amendments. these break down points are things unknown. Amenments add wayy to many unknown variables to the equation,IMO. I have learned that with using amendments in soil i will have a great run this time, shit the next, ok, great, shit again. And I linked it to how i was mixing my soils amendments.

I myself have stopped adding amendments because of this. A decent potting soil form wally world or lowes or HD. No nutrients. Add a good ammount perlite & not as much vermiculite, then maybe some earth worm castings and some lime. basically just a medium to grow the roots in, thats all.

A soil with amendments, makes reading the plant much more difficult. A headache IMO.

Everything the plant needs, you will feed it. It gives you complete control. Takes out so many unknowns.

I myself am leaning towards hydro, even thou i have not had a successful batch. i have learned a remarkable amount. The amount of control you have is soooooooo great. I feel this time my recirc DWC setup will treat me well.

Ya, think about going with a soil mix like i suggested for next batch. I think it will make your life much easier. Your feeding sced. will be much more on point with every grow to follow. less variables is good. It will be consistent. Much easier to read the plants.

what i spoke of earlier, about the plant sending down nutrients i read from a post here. It clicked in my head, and for now, i believe what he explained makes alot of sense. I also looked for a chart i seen here, it showed the direct connection of how an excess nute can lockout another.

But heres the chart & the quote, you can see by the explanation and this chart, it makes sense.


Sense i said before i was learning alot more about hydro type systems. You can learn ALOT from hydro growers on how to read your plants,IMO. Things happen veryyyyyy fast with hydro. with that said,the grower needs to be educated on diagnosing what a plant needs. They need to be quick on diagnosing. Check this thread on aeroponic gardening, very interesting. Or if in a hurry read up to page six, or filter pod racer, the thread starter. Simply amazing IMO.



POD Racers TAG thread!!!


I hope i made some sense, pretty stoned now. In anycase, B-safe.

 

[Guest]

I've begun the second run and, again, the Sweet Tooth's are showing the upper (new growth) yellowing with green veins. I would like to increase the sulfur and iron and see if that helps (as you had mentioned previously, gmanwho). I see that a tsp of Epsom salts would help with the sulfur but what should I use for iron? Can I bump up the GH flora micro to help? This time there is a lavender in there and it is fine just like the Mandala's were ok too.

Thanks!

 

[gmanwho]

Ther used to be a product called ironite, usually at the depot or lowes.

How old are they? In youngins i experienced yellowing due to over watering, not really over watering, just the soil stays wet alot longer due to slow water uptake.

One thing i would make sure of is PH, if your ph is on point, and your soil is not compacted and drains well.

Sometimes i've seen yellowing due to the roots cant keep up with new growth. And again they go to the leaves to steep up root production. Especially when they are sitting under fluros then introduced to hid's at a young age.

Maybe try adding a little cal-mag, or use your GH micro to the yellowing plants and see if that takes care of it. I am not familiar with GH nutes, just there ph up & Down.

What i really can suggest for an idea is if have 2 or more plants yellowing, when you try to correct the def, feed #1 different then you feed #2. See who reacts better.

B-safe

 

[Guest]

Sorry for the slow reply. I wish at this point I could change the title of this thread...

The girls are now at day 14 and they got some ironite last night. They looked good last I checked but the fan leaves at the top that were hit have turned and won't be comin back. I plan to add some epsom salts with the next watering and compare the results of the two waterings. On the live and learn side I gave my dj blueberry seedling a little of the same and within an hour it looked like it had turned into a mutant. I flushed it but I think I just set it back quite a bit.

Any suggestions on how far to keep the hood from the closest tops? I use a 600 W bulb in a SuperSun2 sealed hood. Air gets pulled through it and exhausted by a 4" vortex. I have been going at 5 or 6 inches but I think I made the cola tops too crispy last time although I have yet to test one of the tops.

 

[Goose Duff]

 

[gmanwho]

Sorry for the slow reply. I wish at this point I could change the title of this thread...

The girls are now at day 14 and they got some ironite last night. They looked good last I checked but the fan leaves at the top that were hit have turned and won't be comin back. I plan to add some epsom salts with the next watering and compare the results of the two waterings. On the live and learn side I gave my dj blueberry seedling a little of the same and within an hour it looked like it had turned into a mutant. I flushed it but I think I just set it back quite a bit.

Any suggestions on how far to keep the hood from the closest tops? I use a 600 W bulb in a SuperSun2 sealed hood. Air gets pulled through it and exhausted by a 4" vortex. I have been going at 5 or 6 inches but I think I made the cola tops too crispy last time although I have yet to test one of the tops.

You should keep the light like 10-12 inches away IMO.

Ohhh boy, you got some blueberry in your garden. i have only 1 bluebonic, that i am praying is a decent female, unknown sex as of yet. i will try to cross it i think if it turns male with another strain. I also have a bogbubble that i am praying is female as well.

Since it is still early, i would cut the burnt area out, and let the plant choose the next node as the top cola.

Do you train your plants? You have any new pics?


I want to get some blueberry in my garden soon. What Dj short blueberry is that? i think there is a few.

Hope your experiments turn out for the better. Always remember when trying something new, go like 1/4 to 1/3 strength from what the bottle recommends, there are some exceptions sometimes.

B-safe

 

[gmanwho]

Goose: the whole thing about the plant storing the N back down to the roots, im not 100% sure on that. I read it once, but it seems realllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy possible. At this point i believe it is true, even thou ive only read it once elsewhere. but i can vouch that at this point is when problems can really mess things up. It makes sense to me.

I never realized how high the calcium & magnesium is in molasses, i have some, but never tried. I will try thou on my soil side this time arround.

Thanks for the info. and hopefully you may find something here that you may relate to or express an experience or disagreement. Its all about sharing.

B-safe

 

[Guest]

Hey! Someone else posted here!

I have been using molasses as a staple with most waterings throughout their feeding life. Unfortunately, I can't find the good stuff, Brer Rabbit, I've been using Grandma's. I am curious to see them at lights on today and also after they get some epsom salts (1 tsp right?). Again, it has only been the Sweet Tooth's that do this, I would love to solve it although this will be the last run of them for awhile. Got two more seeds and the first two were both femmes.

Yeah, the dj original blueberry! I bought them before I bought anything else. LOL! I had tried to germ one back when I first started the Sweet Tooth's and Mandala's and it didn't pop. This time I tried 4 and two popped. Going on two weeks I haven't given up on them. I pinched them the other day to pop the husk open and I saw a white taproot in one but the other looks dark . I plan on trying the last 5. I'm thinking to wait until I determine sex for the two. Man, if they were both girls I could go through the phenos slow and be able to really get a feel for them. Then Yep, just talked myself into it! Lastly, I actually got in on the JLP SD X OG KUSH giveaway! I got four of those coming up!