My first two ever plants are in trouble - Your help requested

[gmanwho]

DIdn't mean it was the camera. The yellowing that is.

Being later in the stages now; what like 30+ days? I would continue to do what you are doing. i dont like to really experiment after half way through flowering, unless they are bad.

From the looks the rest of the plants are quite healthy, which I would say continue to finish with feedings. Then the flushing at like last 10 days to finish.

Leaf growth has stopped, and will never correct the yellowing. As to basically all plant production is now focused on the flower sites. only more yellowing will follow.

What was the main cause im not sure. Some key points there as it looked like it only effected the upper section of the plant, leading you to research what effects upper sections of the plant only.

Next run i would suggest some cal-mag a feeding or 2 before the 12/12 switch. Another practice i like is still giving them normal veg nutes & cal-mag at intro of 12/12. I feed veg the day i switch 12/12, and next feeding. early stretch stage. This is my practice now, but i may learn differently later.

Take everything in as suggestions, and trust your eyes and feelings.

Maybe somas a heavy feeder, she could of asked for more feed. Best way is to experiment with feeding is on one plant, and see how it reacts. Bad idea if all different phenos not from clone.

Also some real good advice would be to search here and other sites for threads on somatooths grows. See if you have the same phenos first, but still read anyways. Maybe by reading through you can pinpoint the difference as to what you did differently, or even why you could of had better results then that person.

Attention to that detail may be the only way to lead you to your answers.

the 2nd run of the same strain always goes better, atleast for me. You have learned so much more by then.

For your first run, you did way above average. So a pat on the back is in store.

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[spliffdiddy]

jjs: keep the 12/12 cycle going. Not shorter. Only time ive ever shortened th cycle is at the verryyy end of bloom. When i get a strain or different Pheno type that doesnt want to finish. when you have a 65 day strain at 70 and it still is not finishing.

Phing foliar feed is new to me, BUT i have read the same about phing foliar.I plan on phing the foliar feed whenever i may need to foliar again in the future.

As for interrupting the light cycle, i dont advise it. just take them out an hour or so before lights on, an foliar feed them. or even a few minutes before lights on. Even thou they dont get direct light, i still like to keep them near the light so they dont get any light/sched interuptions.

best of luck

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Hey guys I am also new to indoor growing, just a quick question. I was under the impression that it was the dark cycle that should never be interupted because it may cause your plants to hermie etc. Is this wrong? I'm confused about it now because I read he was going to delay the lights coming on so he could finish his work with them. I thought you were supposed to do all of your work while the lights were on. Can someone straighten me out on this?
Thank you

 

[gmanwho]

Spliff, yes u can cause problems by messing with the timers, or light leaks. Some strains ive read are very likely to hermie if there are light leaks or timer malfuncitons.

Ive suspected one of my inccidents before, with a hermie, believed it was caused by a light leak.

But what i said was leave the cycle alone, Take them out of the room under normal light and foliar feed them. Wait an hour or so till there are dry, or somewhat dry, then put them back in the room.

reducing the light at the very end will only make the plant think its time has come. I can somewhat agree wit this, but i really cant say for sure. ive also read of people giving the plant like 48hrs of darkness before the chop. Theory in that is that the plants knows its about to die and puts every last ditch effort into it's flower production.

All opinions,preferences or fact , some ideas practices do seem to hold truth. Im not an expert by no means. but cutting the light at the end seems like it could hold truth, IMO.

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[spliffdiddy]

Thanks gman, but "jjschagundi" said he was going to tend to his plants before the lights came on. So he was tending them while they were in the dark cycle, right? Unless I'm reading it wrong. I just thought this was a no-no. I am in the middle of my first indoor grow (2 feminized landrace afghans) and I am going to start flowering them in a couple of days. When I feed/water them, should I do this while their in the light cycle?
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[gmanwho]

JJS: the more and more i looked at your plants, the more it seems like a phosphorous def.

Spliff: never seen or read a difference in watering at night vs. light. I always water during light. never had a problem. as for when to tend to them, i always wait till lights come on. Very rarely enter the room when lights off, i have, and will occasionally, rarely thou, sometimes i have no choice or i cant stop thinking about them untill i see them. And at that its like 2mins w/low overhead lighting.

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[Guest]

gmanwho: Sorry, have been a little busy to reply but def keeping up on your posts! I will read up on phosphorous def, things are doing well now, at day 30. I fed this past Sat. with the lucas formula at 600 ppm and then added in Cal Mag, molasses, and Pro-tekt.....fuckin juiced 'em! A couple of feedings prior to that I had not realized how much more water they were drinking and let them go rather badly. Missed it by that much!! I was a day or two off. The biggest one was really shriveled under the canopy and until I pulled them for watering I hadn't seen it as she was in back. I gave them just water and Cal Mag and, as I'm sure you are familar with, they recovered in miraculous fashion! LOL! So the total ppm was like 1200-1300 with this latest feeding and seeing them at tonights lights on...they look really nice. Tonight it was like...take the best shots that people post here and then seeing it live no picture could come close.

Say you shock them through dumbfuckery and come back to maintain them healthily through the rest of their life. Would this stunt their life cycle in that it would run longer and could eventually finish with best results or would it come in the same time as normal but would be a reduced yield? How does that work?

spliffdiddy, I had read how the light cycle is changed by some at the end of flowering but have never heard it the other way around so I figured if the cycle is disturbed to go the way of more darkness. But I see now that it is less of a shock to the plant to just do what I want to do before lights on and keep the light schedule as is.

 

[spliffdiddy]

Alright I've got it straight now. Thanks Gman and JJ. I appreciate your help. I hope you have smooth sailing from here on out JJ, good luck.
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[Guest]

Guys,

I checked run off last night after watering with just water and EC is 2.7-3.0, pH is 6.8

Should I wait until their thirsty again and begin flushing? Begin flushing ASAP? Should I flush until I get under 1.0 (I'm in soil) and should I add molasses with the flush? Should I just water only for the next couple of feedings and not flush out? Do Clearex and molasses do the same thing?

Thanks,

jj

 

[gmanwho]

jjs: the high ec is probably due to the soil in the run off. Sometimes a flush helps them.Basic rule of remembering is to run double the amount of water of the size of the bucket. so a 5 gal bucket, run 10 gal of water through.

Molasses and clearex are not the same. Clearex is sopposed to do something like help breakdown of salt deposits attached to the roots. Haven't used clearex in awhile. An i cant say it if it works better when flushing. you should read some other opinions on that.

If you are at like 40 days i might wait another feeding or 2 before the end flushing.if its like a 65 day strain, myself would start with just water a round 12-15 days before. so around day 50-55 i would suggest just watering.

If everything is going well, they will reallly fatten up the last 10 or so days. seen them double in thickness the last 10-15 days.

Molasses, had a bunch of uses. something to do with the plants using the sugars carbos, middle to late flowering. Some companies market "sweet" or "Carbo Load" in light of molasses. read up on that molasses. think it was like 1 tsp gallon suggested use.


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[Guest]

jjs: the high ec is probably due to the soil in the run off. Sometimes a flush helps them.Basic rule of remembering is to run double the amount of water of the size of the bucket. so a 5 gal bucket, run 10 gal of water through.

I have read that and that is a lot of water! I think maybe I should do that because I am at day 35?? At this point I am doing as well as I am, I think, through the graces of ganj and am ready to now admit I am powerless at this stage (i.e. a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, etc., etc...)
SO, I was thinking how snowballs and shit roll downhill and I would like to ask for how to proceed at this point and I will follow to a T so I don't a House of Cards first grow. I don't want to make myself a nuisance and I wish to completely defer for the rest of this first grow to a higher authority. Because I realize that the experimentation I have been doing needs to be secondary to the goal. TURN A NEGATIVE INTO A POSITIVE! lol!

Molasses and clearex are not the same. Clearex is sopposed to do something like help breakdown of salt deposits attached to the roots. Haven't used clearex in awhile. An i cant say it if it works better when flushing. you should read some other opinions on that.

I looked at a bottle of Clearex and saw it listed sucrose among its ingredients so I wondered if it clears salts by helping the plants uptake ability. I have been using a 1 tbsp per gal, thought that's what the consensus was but will go back and read that again.

If you are at like 40 days i might wait another feeding or 2 before the end flushing.if its like a 65 day strain, myself would start with just water a round 12-15 days before. so around day 50-55 i would suggest just watering.

The Sweet Tooth's are supposed to be an 8 week strain and one of the three (2 from seed, 1 clone) looks like it will come in earlier, the other and its clone aren't nearly as phat. The two Mandala's, one looks sick, (good) phat, and the other is still like popcorn buds all is well, it just seems like it is having a long adolescence. The Mandalas alos went in 4 days later than the SWT3.

If everything is going well, they will reallly fatten up the last 10 or so days. seen them double in thickness the last 10-15 days.

I cannot imagine that!

 

[Guest]

Another question:

With my high EC level, would this be the time to foliar feed them their nutes and then follow 20 minutes later or so with a water only feeding? Would I want to do that for the next couple feedings? Just a thought....

 

[gmanwho]

I would suggest a flush. But first You might want to get some type of stick or pole to place in the soil and string up her abit. Sometimes they like to bend over alot as the soil becomes very loose sometimes when flushing. you dont want to stress or brake the roots. Ive had some completely lay over on there side, and it wasnt a good thing cause it caused some pulling on the roots and im sure it damaged them.

I would suggest staking the branches anyways, as to i've lost branches due to snapping off of there own weight. Sucks.

i hope i read it wrong,but you should not be adding the clearex with feedings or in between warterings. ONLY flushing.

basically, i think,or almost certain, that when the nutrients are uptaken by the roots, a byproduct is salt & mineral deposits from the conversion or osmosis process. these deposits can hinder all uptake. They basically encapsulate the root. Flushing moistens the salts and eventually washes them away.

I like to run the first 5 gals through, go do some other maintenance for 15 min, then run the other 5 gal through. let them sit awhile till the dripping somewhat stops, then bring them back into the light.

Let the soil dry nice for a few days, it may take 5 days, 7 days, maybe more, maybe less.

What i do now,after flushing, is point an oscillating fan at the tops of the soil. helps dry them a few days faster,and allows you to get in another feeding sooner.

As for that feeding day 35 or so i probably was feeding somewhere at around 1100 1200ppm. Now after this flush, i would keep bloom feeding, but lower to 900-1000ppm.

your ppm was at 1300 last feeding right, drop it down to 1000 or 900 from now till the last 10 days.

when you think theres about 10-12 days left for her, flush again. then water from then on. and dont forget the oscillating fan pointing at the base of the soil.

when you think shes done, chop her BEFORE lights go on. hang her upside down and cut off alllll large leaves. you dont want the plant to suck the nutrients from the leaves and go into the buds. would leave a harsher chemmy smoke IMO. I find its easier to trim right away, plus i believe its smother smoke . 2/3rds of the plants weight is water, so its unfortunate how much your bud will shrink in size. I almost cry every time, knowing how big it was before.

My belief in trimming right away is that the plant goes to its leaves for water and nutirents whenever there are problems at the root zone. Now there is no roots, so she goes to the leaves automatically. trimming all leave prohibits the plant to take the nutrients out of the leaves.chances are she will run out of water in her system, before she converts the nutes to plant matter. then leaving unconverted nutes & sugars in your smoke. Its like she is getting hypothermia and the buds are her organs she is trying to protect. There are enough nutes for her in the buds, and you want those to be converted to the sugars or whatever it may do.

When shes hanging to dry, i like to keep it in a remotely dark area that has some small air movement, like a distant oscillating fan on low. Would be ashame to go this far and get mold at this point.

Hope this helps some.

Ohh yeah another fyi, cause ive done it. If you bring them out of the room, walk them backwards through doors and other obsticales to the flushing area and back. Its sometimes ackward to bring the bulky plant through doorways, and sometimes branches will snap. ouuccccchhhh. basically pass the bucket end first through with the plant top last. the branches bend better that way. Stupid shit, but it all helps.

her is one of my prised baby at 30days, a nycd cross.




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[Guest]

gmanwho, thank you, I will follow up on your advice. Really appreciate it and will follow to the letter. As I said before I need to step back a little. I will let you know how it goes. Re: the Clearex, no I did not mean to say that I use it with feedings or would except for flushing. Do you use it?

On a side note, I have three more clones of the SWT3 and a Lavender girlie in veg to go next and pruned them last night from 18" to 12". I hope to realize better results with that. I am going to see how well a 10 pk freebie of Skunk #1 germs, I hope they're viable, read reports that they the freebies aren't. I think that would be good for next. If I get comfortable enough, I look forward to dj original blueberry (for holiday season ), angeldust, Mountain High freebie mix and blockhead freebies down the road.


Your plant looks sooo greasy!!

 

[gmanwho]

JJschangundi: How things going over there.

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[Guest]

Hey!

Things are good! Day 44 today for the SWT3's. Here's a couple of pics from day 39.

One of the Mandala's, if I hadn't bent over the two stalks it would be about 6 ft.



The second oldest SWT3 from seed


The big one, oldest SWT3 from seed


A Mandala Safari bud


The second, less chunky Mandala, bent over also


A little stem porn from the oldest SWT3


All of them back in their bed

 

[gmanwho]

And you were worried . they are awesome. They are wonderful looking.

Wow that mandala got some nice silver & red tints to her.

That SWT3 looking very nice.

The next 10 days things are gonna get heavier, you should think about starting to reinforce things there.Stake/ string, whatever it takes. I'd cry if ya lost a branch.

Check on them more frequent then you used to for water as well. I notice more water uptake as the mature. im usally 5-6 days between watering, at day 50 im like 3-4 days in between.


Looking great.

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[Guest]

So far, I think I am on the better end between killing them or them thriving but have a lot to learn. The next round will be 3 clones of the biggest SWT3 and a lavender that I grew out from a seed found in a bag. I spoke to the grower, he said the culprit was a light leak. It was like finding a prize in the crackerjack. The bud was nice and truly smelled and tasted like lavender. There is a scratch n sniff Disney book that I used to read to my kids and one of the stories concerned a lavender machine. The bud reminded me of that book! lol Anyways, it is a female and huge! I have tied her down big time and she takes up about all the veg space I have available. As a nod to your previous advice, I wasn't paying attention when I put her back in after really ratcheting up (or down?) the main stalk. I want to get it back down to hte soil as much as I can without breaking it. So, I looked at it after putting it in and saw the main stalk drooping BIG time. I first thought it was the result of tightening down the main stalk and then saw I must have caught it on the way in without noticing (payiing attention) and it had been twisted around. Ouch. So I propped it into the corner after untying it and will check it later tonight. As for the SWT clones it will be good to do the same strain again to learn from my experiences.

Couple more questions..

1) I had thought that the tops would be ready first then then underneath the canopy but I read that the plant finishes bottom up. What should I look for, I don't want to get them too early or, duh, too late? lol!

2) Any suggestions on what strength magnifying glass I need or would a jewelers loupe off fleabay be better?

3) Can I stuff whatever good trim into one bag and freeze it until I want to try something or should it not be compacted/smashed when being frozen? Is that OK in your opinion or is there a major loss of flavor doing that?

4) Don't laugh, but what kind of scissors for trimming?

Lights coming on soon...

 

[gmanwho]

JJS, Fine point scissors, & a razor blade. Razor blade to scrape scissor blades when they goop up. i always save the razor blade goop shavings. Basically hash, let it dry a week before u smoke it.

I use the small fiskars scissors, found at walmart. there like 11 bucks apiece.

Any sharp pointes scissors.

GET RUBBER GLOVES!!! your hands will get soooooooo resigned up. it takes days to get the smell off your hands. dont rubb your eyes.

Sometimes the top finishes, sometimes the bottom, sometimes mixxed. i would check only a few buds each time, not every bud. could turn abit excessive to check every site i would think.

I think most use a 40x microscope, or a magnifying glass may work. if its to powerfull its a pain to look at multiple trichs. every plant differs in effects when cutting at clear, cloudy or amber or amber bursting. i am new to trich inspection myself.

never made bubble hash, BUT will this time. i've read to freeze the clippings right after you finish the plant up. Promotes less leaf sediment from entering the hash.

if your looking for bubble hash screens, goto an art store or screen printing place. there are some threads arround here. Im actually thinking of next time arround buying a small portable washer machine for next harvest.


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[Guest]

Good stuff! Reread the above several times already and hurry up and waiting!

Picked up some Singer sewing scissors, about 7" and skinny. While at the store I picked up a couple dozen wide mouth canning jars! That was one of the more fun purchases since it really brought home what's coming!

 

[gmanwho]

rubber or latex gloves..... gotta have them