My first two ever plants are in trouble - Your help requested

[Guest]

I have two sweet tooth #3's that are mature and have been vegging going on 3 and 2 months respectively. As soon as I can afford the flowering end of the equipment I will be able to flower. I took cuttings two weeks ago. In the last 10 days to two weeks the bottom couple internode fan leaves are yellowing noticeably, the entire leaf and did not start at the tip or edge, and the green ones above them feel very papery. The tops are looking good but not "perky". I have been using RO water for about same length of time since getting my unit. Prolly mag def, right? I will be picking Cal-Mag Plus today
Do you agree? Any advice? Also, I hate to admit it but I last fed them with EC 2.2 equal parts of micro, grow, and bloom of GH flora, plus a tbsp. of molasses to the gallon of water. My ec meter is now properly calibrated and today I plan to give them only water and the cal/mag+. Your comments, sir? Using Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil. I hope to try hydro in the future, I guess its a good thing I didn't yet! Maybe the only thing I've done right at this point...

 

[Hotgurl]

3-2-1

3-2-1

Your comments, sir?

I can help you honey if you want...

Gh 3 part should not require the addition of cal mag. Its all how you mix it.

For veg, 3 parts grow to 2 parts micro to 1 part bloom. (3-2-1) Full strength is 15ml grow, 10ml micro, and 5 ml bloom. I think 3/4 strength should be plenty.

Here is a couple of choices for flowering: 1 part grow, 2 parts micro, 3 parts bloom or 1 part micro and 2 parts bloom (the lucas formula). Full strength is 5 ml grow, 10 ml micro, and 15 ml bloom or 8 ml micro and 16 ml bloom. You probably only need about 3/4 strength of either one. I prefer the first one because it has more potassium by using the grow portion.

If you recently transplanted into the fox farm soil (like within 3 weeks) you will require few added nutrients.

Ph is important. Adjust the ph of the fert water after everything is added.

Good luck growing!

Keepin' it real for ya...Hotgurl.

 

[Guest]

Hey! Thank you! So,I should not water without nutes this time but follow the mix that you recommend?

I did forget to mention the ph was knocked down to 4.3 or so and I "ass"umed that the soil would handle that... I have been reading also to try not to chase ph but I stand corrected. I do have ph up and will use it this time.

Again, I should use nutes this watering? Should I lay off the molasses for now?

 

[Hotgurl]

Molasses probably doesn't really do much. Add it if you want. Fertilize with every watering but make sure to do it really well and it pours out the bottom of the containers. Wow, ph 4 something is bad. Get your fertilizer water around 6 or so. Maybe you should test soil ph? If your soil ph is like 4, you will benefit from the addtion of a small amount of ground dolomite lime to the surface of the container...maybe try a teaspoon per gallon of soil mix sprinkled on.

 

[Guest]

OK, done. I went with an ec of 0.8 and bumped the ph up to 6.2. Gave them a good watering, they were ready. Just wait and see now. I'll post back with how they look. What would your ideal RH and temp be?

Thank you again for taking the time to help me! Wait'll I tell my wife "a" Hotgurl helped me!

Also, how do you recommend to test soil ph?

 

[Hotgurl]

Those rates given before were ml per gallon of water.

Usually its good to wait a little while after watering. Then see if you can tilt your pot and get some water out. Test that. Otherwise, you can pour some water on the pot and get a runoff. I think some of the guys say to use distilled water to do this.

Don't tell your wife about me. :wink:

 

[Guest]

Those rates given before were ml per gallon of water.

With you there

Usually its good to wait a little while after watering. Then see if you can tilt your pot and get some water out. Test that. Otherwise, you can pour some water on the pot and get a runoff. I think some of the guys say to use distilled water to do this.

Good idea!

Don't tell your wife about me. :wink:

Good idea!

 

[Nikijad4210]

Do NOT be so quick to take sproutco/blackvelvet/hotgurl's advice, he/she/it tends to kill more plants than he/she/it helps.

Always, always, always wait for second, third, fourth, etc opinions before you do ANYTHING to your plants. The more people who help diagnose, the better your outcome will be.

But I can't stress enough how much you need to ignore that twat, sproutco/blackvelvet/hotgurl has never grown herb.

 

[Guest]

Thank you for the advice

 

[Hotgurl]

What?

 

[Guest]

What?

You suck thats what you dont grow and you are breaking the TOU by having 4 handles! If I were you I would be real low key.

 

[gmanwho]

jjs*** : one thing you did not mention is the size of the plant, and size of container growing in. one possible effect is it could root bound. Could need a good flushing as well.

You mentioned not " perky" could poor drainage. Or compacted soil, not enough air in the soil, no perlite added to soil?

Seems like you have a decent handle on feeding, which leads me to saying this as well.

Could be the mag deficiency as well, if i remember correctly, Mag def usually shows similar to what you are describing. Plus u are using RO water, you neeed to add the cal-mag or the EJ microbalst, personally i would go with the Earthuice, has no N in it. Dont need the extra N if you are using your grow formula correctly.

Hope this can help lead the way.


B-safe

B-safe

 

[Guest]

The 3 month old is in a square 2 Gallon 8.5x8.5x7.5 pot and the other one is in a 1 liter pot. I had wondered if that could be the case but I don't have room to move up and still have space for 6 Mandala Safari Mix seedlings that are currently in need of their space too. I am using a 250 W MH to veg with. Lights are out right now but the 3 month old is approx. 2 ft tall. I had topped it young and it has two nice tops instead of the one. The 2 month old is approx. 15 inch tall and I never topped it, it is growing like it will end up looking like a straight single cola. Off subject but are Sweet Tooth #3's suppossed to top well and are they hard to clone? I kept good conditions for the cuttings I took two weeks ago to the day and one shows roots and was transplanted to a 16 oz cup last night. It looks real nice. Out of the nine I took all went belly up except for that one and two other cuttings that look ok but still not showing roots. I did not take the most prominent shoots from the 3 month old but instead went for the lower branches...

I do plan to go to 5 gallon grow bags for them to go through flower with. If I won't have space for that until flower area is ready, should I continue 18/6 under the Galaxy 600W ballast HPS for a couple weeks before switching to 12/12 once they do get transplanted?

Thanks for your help!

 

[Blackmelo]

sry to post this in your thread jj but again I am seeing increased negativity by ppl on this board. I did not see this crap when I first joined this site and now I am seeing alot of it and it all seems to be coming mainly from one person..

HazeToker, you are upset by some people on here giving out advice who are not fully informed about growing weed; that is understandable, voice you opinion, but not every day with another nagging critisism after the other please.

I do not know hotgurl and if she is a good grower or not but I can see nothing wrong with her advice, she did not deserve your critisism, even if she might have said something wrong in the past.
Try to point out a mistake if one is said but do not label them as a "non-grower" for making a mistake and then flame them every day from then on.

I'm sure alot of people would appreciate it, not just me.

 

[Guest]

Hotgurl is blackvelvets other handle. Why dont you pm me if you have a problem. Why are post crap in people threads?

 

[gmanwho]

jjs* i would say the 2 gallon to small, and the 1 liter is wayyy to small for that age plant. Im will to bet that this is your problem, at least it seems very possible given you circumstances.

When you can, room permitting, i would get them out of those buckets.

If you take the soil& root mass out of the bucket, are the roots coiled at the bottom, more then like a 1/4", if so they are root bound IMO.

Another idea is if you cant go wider, go taller. Stack the buckets ontop of each other. See if you can double stack the buckets some how. Basically fill the lower bucket 75% with soil, then either 1 take the root mass out of the original bucket and place it ontop of the 75% new soil filled bucket.(75% mark may change, especially if the top bucket is to "shakey", you may have to add less soil to the bottom bucket to correct this, you dont want the buckets to topple over.depending on the width of the bucket you maybe can go up to 90%, something to learn with experience.)

or 2, drill larger holes in the bottom of the original buckets, like 1/2" or 3/4". then place on the new soil bucket, either will work.

If there are exposed roots cover them, with either tin foil or panda plastic, black garbage bag. May look alittle getto , but it works unitil you are able to get the space for proper buckets. I used to do this before i had room. I also found taping doesnt work so well, so i started using string, and always make a knot that you can untie for future adjusting,especially for training as well. Saves string, and time.

All my soils have 1/2" holes to begin with. Good drainage is a good practice, also allowing sometype of air movement into them. the 1/2" hols is a pain at first, because soil likes to fall out, but after a few waterings and some root growth, things "tighten Up" in there with roots holding things together.

If you cant do any above, atleast do a flush. You have a 2 gallon, run 4 gallons of water through, 1 liter, run 2 liters of water. A good measure is go double the bucket size. keeps it simple to remember too.

Another practice is putting a 1/2" layer of perlite on the bottom of the bucket before you add the soil. You can reclaim and reuse for the next grow at the end of this grow.


B-safe

 

[JJScorpio]

If its just the lower leaves, try not to worry. Lower leaves can get blocked from the light and this will cause them to yellow and die.

As for the molassis, I use it throughout the plants life. The sugars break down and are very beneficial to the soil.

The transplanting advice was good. The 2 gallon should be fine, but the smaller one was way to small. Remember, sometimes the less you do outside of the basics, the better off your plants will be.....

 

[Guest]

Thank you, and I appreciate your response! I had layered both pots with clay balls, I have since read that the roots want a substrate (solid surface) to grow along at the bottom so I will correct that with the repots. I noticed the 1 ltr girl needed water again today, they don't look that bad anymore but now that I look I can see a repot for both would get them out of the rut. Their growth seems stunted. Arghhh! This will drive me crazy until I get situated.

 

[Guest]

So, by using correct amounts for GH 3 part flora that would correct a mag def? Should I forget the CalMag? I tend to agree with you guys, the yellowing seemed to be accelerating when I first posted this and they do look better now, not continuing to appear to worsen... would a dose of epsom salts be worth it just to be sure or should I avoid that epsom salts if possible? If so, what dose per gal would be suggested?

I have a height of 6.5 feet total when I do flower (hydro hut mini), would going to 3 gal or to 5 gal be the way to go? I was reading smilingbob posts and he stresses filling the container before moving up and then not going over 3 gal. I have that covered with the two gal but would potting the 1 ltr to a 3 gal grow bag be OK or would it be better to go to 2 gal then 3 gal? What timespan for that? I was hoping to be able to start flower by end of April.

 

[JJScorpio]

Are you using the part one for vegging at the time being? You shouldnt have to add anything with the flora nova. You probably should use 3 gallon for flowering with the room you have. Transplant them both into the 3 gallon pails. Don't worry about adding salts or cal mag until you see what the transplant does.