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Motherlode Gardens 2014
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Hefner and Flynt aren't too bad. My $0.02.
How about me, can I come grab a few, since they're free?
How about me, can I come grab a few, since they're free?
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I'm adding to my reading and viewing list as well….check out neil kinsleys book/video on plant fertilization and nutrient uptake referred to me by a fellow IC grower here…its very good reading and I've barely got into it.
Also, green cure is the truth for PM. my little random side garden in 15-30 gal pots caught PM…..i wash it off with a green cure/mildew cure mixture at half strength each. the visible spores will be gone for at least a few days so you can pick without any visible white.
PM is bad over here too, which is crazy because humidity is like 12-15%. my friend who does all organic is having issues with it, he has tried almost every organic spray on the books and has healthy plants but they still caught PM. i prevent PM with an eagle 20 spray early in veg. i know its not organic but when it comes down to a 6 figure crop it needs to be done, as long as you dont spray when theres flowers forming you are fine. Gonna start looking into sap PH as well but at this point in the season we are all too busy handling harvest prep and early takedown to really get scientific with things. all in due time….good luck w the harvest!
Also, green cure is the truth for PM. my little random side garden in 15-30 gal pots caught PM…..i wash it off with a green cure/mildew cure mixture at half strength each. the visible spores will be gone for at least a few days so you can pick without any visible white.
PM is bad over here too, which is crazy because humidity is like 12-15%. my friend who does all organic is having issues with it, he has tried almost every organic spray on the books and has healthy plants but they still caught PM. i prevent PM with an eagle 20 spray early in veg. i know its not organic but when it comes down to a 6 figure crop it needs to be done, as long as you dont spray when theres flowers forming you are fine. Gonna start looking into sap PH as well but at this point in the season we are all too busy handling harvest prep and early takedown to really get scientific with things. all in due time….good luck w the harvest!
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Red Berry
The new DVD from Acres is a good video to watch also. Restoration Agriculture. Gave me a ton of great idea on how to make water reservoirs all over your property. I really enjoyed it.
I thought green cure wasn't good to use during flowering?
epicorchard
Member
The problem in shasta with water reservoirs is that they are instantly labeled ponds, not water retention systems or for runoff management.
Fish and game will notify the county, and boom, red tag violation, here come'th the fines! After brown's done regulating our ground water, I'm sure hes going to start on installing air meters to protect against heavy breathers.
Didn't you spray your side garden plants with E20 in spring?
Didn't they still get powder mold?
E20 is a terrible product, Keep poisning pople.
And it does not work!!!!!
I guess its OK to spray AVID if its not budding too?
You NorCal growers are terrible.
When it comes to a 6 figure crop there are other SOLUTIONS.
Greed is what drives your grow, disgusting.
You need to be proactive about everything.
Do the grape growers in Napa spray E20 on their crop?
What do they use?
Sulfur.
you kids are to busy spraying fertilizers trying to "juice" your plants.
you need to start spraying surfer during the season to prevent PM.
Powder mild starts in the spring when its wet and cooler. Then it shows up on the leafs this time of year. Its been in the plant tissue all season long.
Thanks Bulldog420, Acres looks like a valuable resource.
epicorchard
Member
does that surfer spray come in a 275 gallon tote? lol. I do agree with mendo that reliance on using dangerous pesticides as a go to solution for spraying plants in trouble is a bad and dangerous idea, but I don't see anything wrong with dunking your clones in a pesticide 7 months before you harvest them. But then again I'm no scientist, just a tree wrangler.
Its usually only us clone guys that deal with mites. If you grow from seed you should rarely have a mite problem. Looks like your'e all seed over there mendo?
Its usually only us clone guys that deal with mites. If you grow from seed you should rarely have a mite problem. Looks like your'e all seed over there mendo?
TheOutlawTree
Active member
JMS - Stylut oil works great... needs to be sprayed every 5 days or so but its very effective for PM. And its organic.
I don't like the green cure or any potassium bicarbonate spray because ive seen it burn up the pistils on certain strains.
I don't like the green cure or any potassium bicarbonate spray because ive seen it burn up the pistils on certain strains.
well sucks to read this kind of attack from another respected member of the community…..but I'm going to go toe to toe with you on this shit because there is a ton of misconceptions in your post….honestly filled with personal attacks and misinformation.
no i did not spray my side garden with E20, thats why it caught PM. its also in a lowlight area in the shade and they dont get max sunlight. it was just a hobby garden filled with my shitty runt plants for seed testing pollination etc, NONE of the stuff out of the garden is ending up for sale. i hit them with greencure/mildewcure and a bunch of organic shit that doesn't work in the long run. honestly most of that garden is in the compost pile, if i see PM i dont even bring it to the trimmers it just gets thrown out simple as that. i can post pics of that pile if you want to see…..i dont sell PM bud never have never will.
spraying e20 on a VEG plant is not poisoning people, thats just BS, do the research on mycolbutanil because i have. theres already been countless arguments involving this on ICmag. mycolbutanil has a 60-90 half life, after that time its degraded. if you spray your plants in veg back in june then when winter rolls around its no longer in the plants system, and EVEN if it is its in such trace amounts that its barely noticeable. you probably eat more cancerous products when you eat a salad from the local safeway or something. that goes onto my next point, for some people NOTHING is safe enough or non cancerous enough for them. for them, even a safeway salad isn't safe. people with this mindset will never be satisfied unless they grow their own plants in their backyard and make their own salads every day.
funny you talk about grapes too, because I'm involved in that industry as well. yeah they spray sulfur, but guess what that barely works too! most vineyards have high amounts of botrytis and other mold, the sulfur just prevents it from being total loss @ 50% mold and takes it down to like 10-15% and most wineries will still take grapes that have high botrytis content. when you drink a bottle of wine you are drinking mold spores, mold content dictates certain tastes in wine as well.
I'm pretty fucking offended that you insinuate that i would spray avid on flowering plants as well…..dont assume anything, i WOULD NEVER CONDONE AVID OR E20 USE ON FLOWERING PLANTS. zero avid in my garden, zero chemical ferts, zero chem pesticides or fungicides in my garden this year. I HAVE BEEN SPRAYING SULFUR, so much so that i burned my cherry pies a bit. i hate spraying shit….when i saw hemp russet pop up on a plant this year, we didn't spray. we cut the infected branches off and burned them. I'm pretty pissed off that you attack me in this manner when literally there are hundreds and hundreds of grows right now all around me that have been spraying avid and god knows what IN FLOWER on flowering plants…when i go out of my way to do the opposite.
Did you miss the part where i said my partner runs an organic garden and specifically does not use e20, he's been using nothing but organic products that all promise to fight PM, and has full open sun in hot temps with low humidity. well his crops have PM now and he's gonna have a hard time taking that to market. whats better? to smoke herb thats been treated 90 days ago and PM free, with all the trace elements of myclobutanil degraded. Or would you rather smoke "organic" herb with PM spores? Because when he brought his first chop over i did not want to smoke it…..had to turn it down. not everyone is a mad scientist at this and is able to keep their sap PH, brix and other factors in line to naturally fight PM. and im inclined to believe even those who do still catch a little here. i would love to walk your entire garden and not find a single leaf with PM but i doubt that because its everywhere, its on every plant on every hillside in norcal.
Your response should have been reserved for someone who says they spray their flowering plants. My mindset with growing has ALWAYS BEEN THIS…i would rather have a little mites here and there, or even a little mold loss, than spray my crops with chemicals, but i will use those controversial chems IN VEG as a preventative. i smoke my own meds. if theres a lab that tests for myclobutanil than i will send some samples in and see if theres any left.
shit im not even spraying BT on my plants right now because id rather have a little caterpillar damage than be smoking BT spores in a month. so really your comment doesn't apply to me. I'm LOSING money employing these tactics yet you say I'm greedy. Just proves you can't satisfy everyone…..
sorry to clutter up your thread schrews but that post really pissed me off this morning, been working 12-16 hour days sore as fuck non stop this entire summer to have someone take personal shots at me, not gonna sit there and just take it, especially when they are WRONG...
How do you guys spray sulfur? i have the pellet stuff that you use on a vaporizer/sulfur burner. would it work if i broke it down to powder and added water?
no way any one using any of that poison can enter the bud into the em cup. Its a outdoor 'Organic" cannabis competition
sad thing is i bet hella fools all high on avid are entering the shit into the cup...poor judges...worse yet poor final custie...cough cough yikes.
Good on ya yes4prop for not slanging pm, chems, poison ect..., tbh, your a rare breed these days. Much respect on that.
I have to say though, the greenrush kids...poisons and shit, no conscious ..whats going on nowadays is some bullshit.
sad thing is i bet hella fools all high on avid are entering the shit into the cup...poor judges...worse yet poor final custie...cough cough yikes.
Good on ya yes4prop for not slanging pm, chems, poison ect..., tbh, your a rare breed these days. Much respect on that.
I have to say though, the greenrush kids...poisons and shit, no conscious ..whats going on nowadays is some bullshit.
respect, Mendo420 for your stance against profiteering. Huge issue in this industry, however Y4P seems very conscientious in his use of e20, has researched the half-life, even said he would submit a sample for analysis. We need more growers like that. The problem is people who honestly don't give a shit, they will sell pesticide and e20 filled herb without so much as a flush or a rinse. That seems even worse than selling herb covered with PM, at least the buyer can see the PM
Chemicals do degrade and eventually disappear completely, but I understand the point that it's not ethical to use e20 or avid at all and then tell people it was grow organically. Ideally one would never need to use harmful chems but it's hard to do everything perfect.
I bought e20 a few years ago but ive never used it, i'm kind of against shit like that, But then again i grow hydro indoors so who the fuck am i kidding.
Spraying with neem oil gets rid of visible PM , not quite a cure but thats what ive been using trying to be real hippie like.
Chemicals do degrade and eventually disappear completely, but I understand the point that it's not ethical to use e20 or avid at all and then tell people it was grow organically. Ideally one would never need to use harmful chems but it's hard to do everything perfect.
I bought e20 a few years ago but ive never used it, i'm kind of against shit like that, But then again i grow hydro indoors so who the fuck am i kidding.
Spraying with neem oil gets rid of visible PM , not quite a cure but thats what ive been using trying to be real hippie like.
optic foliar atak for pm
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=287496&highlight=ATAK
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=287496&highlight=ATAK
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StanKDanK
you can use canola oil or neem oil for pm.
I like canola oil cuz it doesnt stink like neem and its cheap at the grocery store
best reason of all it's
ORGANIC
keep it simple
I like canola oil cuz it doesnt stink like neem and its cheap at the grocery store
best reason of all it's
ORGANIC keep it simple
the mildew cure has canola oil and it works to temporarily wash the leafs off but it will be back in a week or two. neem is a good option but spraying neem on flowering plants will affect the smoking taste negatively. and its funny how people are so into these organic sprays when they aren't that good for you either. sulfur, potassium bicarbonate, neem oil all that stuff on your nugs is bad too.
anyways, myclobutanil is really only dangerous if it accumulates in the soil. so if your drench soaking your plants and it leeches into your soil then it will stick around longer. again i dont mean to clutter up the thread but I've read this same argument on THCfarmr and on this forum too its a very passionate subject but in general its always the same argument, and people on both sides rarely see eye to eye. I'm not just blindly spraying the stuff multiple times a year, i do one spray in veg and thats it. then a few maintenance sprays of sulfur/greencure/neem in early flower, after that nothing. certain clones like cherry pie, cookies, OG all have PM in them. theres no way to get around it if you are growing from clone.
"California accounts for roughly 50% of all myclobutanil use in the US, using 70,000 to 90,000 lbs. annually. Grapes are the most heavily treated crop, using 60% of all myclobutanil in California. Almonds and strawberries are also account for a notable percentage of myclobutanil use in California"
"Degradation is primarily through breakdown by soil microbes, but it will likely leave the site of application by leaching into the soil or with water runoff. If myclobutanil leaches deeply into soil or gets into aquatic sediment (environments without oxygen) it will likely persist for years."
"The octanol/water partition coefficient for myclobutanil indicates that it has a low to moderate attraction to organic solvents - which means it may bind to fish or animal tissue. In metabolism studies, rats quickly absorbed myclobutanil and completely eliminated it within 96 hours with no chemical accumulation in the rat's tissue (Reference 5). The hazard for bioaccumulation of myclobutanil is rated low."
"The EPA considers myclobutanil not likely to be a human carcinogen and there were no signs of neurotoxicity or mutagenicity in long-term toxicity testing. Reproductive and developmental toxicity testing observed fetal toxicity only at doses equal to or above those that caused maternal toxicity. Myclobutanil has not been identified as a potential endocrine disruptor."
you can play golf on E20 treated turf and be low hazard, kids can roll around in e20 treated turf and be considered moderate in hazard. the high hazard zones for e20 are from actually ingesting it at its full strength, or being showered with it for two years straight like the study they did on rats.
i am not condoning its use, of course down the line i would prefer to never have to use it. until i figure out how to make the plant fight it naturally its gonna be used as a preventative in veg. until i see concrete evidence that a e20 spray done 3 months prior to harvesting flowers will leave enough of the toxin in the nugs that it would be considered even a LOW to moderate hazard than i will continue to use it. I've had issues with my own growing partner over this exact subject he was extremely against using it because his garden is 100% organic. Well at the end of the day his nugs have PM damage and mine dont….
anyways, myclobutanil is really only dangerous if it accumulates in the soil. so if your drench soaking your plants and it leeches into your soil then it will stick around longer. again i dont mean to clutter up the thread but I've read this same argument on THCfarmr and on this forum too its a very passionate subject but in general its always the same argument, and people on both sides rarely see eye to eye. I'm not just blindly spraying the stuff multiple times a year, i do one spray in veg and thats it. then a few maintenance sprays of sulfur/greencure/neem in early flower, after that nothing. certain clones like cherry pie, cookies, OG all have PM in them. theres no way to get around it if you are growing from clone.
"California accounts for roughly 50% of all myclobutanil use in the US, using 70,000 to 90,000 lbs. annually. Grapes are the most heavily treated crop, using 60% of all myclobutanil in California. Almonds and strawberries are also account for a notable percentage of myclobutanil use in California"
"Degradation is primarily through breakdown by soil microbes, but it will likely leave the site of application by leaching into the soil or with water runoff. If myclobutanil leaches deeply into soil or gets into aquatic sediment (environments without oxygen) it will likely persist for years."
"The octanol/water partition coefficient for myclobutanil indicates that it has a low to moderate attraction to organic solvents - which means it may bind to fish or animal tissue. In metabolism studies, rats quickly absorbed myclobutanil and completely eliminated it within 96 hours with no chemical accumulation in the rat's tissue (Reference 5). The hazard for bioaccumulation of myclobutanil is rated low."
"The EPA considers myclobutanil not likely to be a human carcinogen and there were no signs of neurotoxicity or mutagenicity in long-term toxicity testing. Reproductive and developmental toxicity testing observed fetal toxicity only at doses equal to or above those that caused maternal toxicity. Myclobutanil has not been identified as a potential endocrine disruptor."
you can play golf on E20 treated turf and be low hazard, kids can roll around in e20 treated turf and be considered moderate in hazard. the high hazard zones for e20 are from actually ingesting it at its full strength, or being showered with it for two years straight like the study they did on rats.
i am not condoning its use, of course down the line i would prefer to never have to use it. until i figure out how to make the plant fight it naturally its gonna be used as a preventative in veg. until i see concrete evidence that a e20 spray done 3 months prior to harvesting flowers will leave enough of the toxin in the nugs that it would be considered even a LOW to moderate hazard than i will continue to use it. I've had issues with my own growing partner over this exact subject he was extremely against using it because his garden is 100% organic. Well at the end of the day his nugs have PM damage and mine dont….
