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[Discorilla]

You said you have "pacific g13" whats the lineage on that? From what I hear it is a hybrid but I could be wrong Im just a noob. Like I said g13 is no more. You got a hybrid buddy it aint pure original g13.

That being said it doesn't mean your cut, whatever it is, isnt potent but personally it is not even on my radar as something appealing in anyway, to me at least, so don't go blowin a gasket homie.

You took "g13 is no more" and went off on a tangent on some other shit. That gif was how I felt when I saw a guy trying to brag about his elite g13.... If you feel like you got lucky where you lived with that cut more power to you and I am sorry for the hassle of all the pms you must get from people looking for that g13.

I said I have a Pacific G13 cut. Meaning a G13 cut that originated in the Pacific Northwest, more specifically Washington. I don't know what you associate with the Pacific cut, but A is not THE. There are several pacific G13 cuts floating around, but this one seems to match a few descriptions people have posted about in this thread. More specifically, the vigor and the smell/taste. You don't know what I got homie... Thanks for playing.

 

[mofeta]

Didn't Vic (the guy that Pacific got her cut from) say that it was Airbourne x something? Or are you not talking about the one from BC? If you are talking about some different cut from Washington, it will confuse us older folk who think of the BCGA cut when you say Pacific G13.

 

[Discorilla]

Didn't Vic (the guy that Pacific got her cut from) say that it was Airbourne x something? Or are you not talking about the one from BC? If you are talking about some different cut from Washington, it will confuse us older folk who think of the BCGA cut when you say Pacific G13.

Ah, so there is a person named Pacific as well. I could see how you would be confused.

In that case, let me rephrase it. This is a cut from Washington that I called a Pacific cut, but was meaning to say a Pacific Northwest Regional cut. My bad.

Here ya go. My G13 cut @ day 28 12/12 (She smells really bad, grows faster than any of my other ladies, and is the biggest nute-whore I have):

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Actually CBD can make the high last longer, if you do not mind delayed onset and reduced peak experoences. Reduced peak experiences is not making you higher, it is a reduced high that lasts longer.
-SamS

I have a feeling that some CBD in a strain will occupy the liver, giving the
THC a longer time in the blood stream, making you 'higher'.
But that is just my personal opinion.

 

[Tonygreen]

Looks like a nice g13 hybrid, kinda looks like barneys farm g13 haze. Hybrids have good vigor.

 

[symbiote420]

Actually CBD can make the high last longer, if you do not mind delayed onset and reduced peak experoences. Reduced peak experiences is not making you higher, it is a reduced high that lasts longer.
-SamS

Exactly CBD suppresses the effect from THC ....THC = upper/CBD = downer! How much of a reduction are you talking about because if it's only a minor reduction (like a few percent or less) for a longer high I'm all for that!
Or are you saying it's such a reduction it makes that erb a lesser quality compared to the high all THC strain/cross? I've smoked alot of weed in my day and I can honestly say the THC percentage doesn't matter in the end product, it's the total combination of the cannabiniods!! That's why a 17% thc cultivar can be overall better than a 22% thc one ...j/s!

 

[jaded1]

As Sam has said,it's the terpenes,not the other cannaboids that affect the high.

You can have 2 plants with the exact same cannaboid profile but 1 will get you high and the other will get you stoned,the only difference being what terpenes are in the bud.

 

[stickshift]

Didn't Vic (the guy that Pacific got her cut from) say that it was Airbourne x something? Or are you not talking about the one from BC? If you are talking about some different cut from Washington, it will confuse us older folk who think of the BCGA cut when you say Pacific G13.

Wasn't she Lady J aka Pacific a bit of a mad one? she claimed she gave it to Vic not the other way round? and I think Vic verified this;

[SIZE=-1]Hey Dank, listen to Hibe, it's not that big of a deal. Hell this whole G13 controversy is probably a conspiracy against you to discredit your G13 efforts. Who really cares? You know the breeding traits of your clone as do I. It doesn't matter whether it has a hyped name or not, all that matters is it's combining ability. And the fact that it was around before the name G13 was hyped, lending it additional credibility and rights to the name, is really insignificant to those of us working with the genetics, not the name. We both can be very grateful to the kind person who was generous enough to share it with us. But lets not forget that it ended up in our stables out of kindness, NOT obligation. Nobody is obligated to share anything. Including with our own private dealings. Despite my personal feelings, I have no right to feel that you were obligated to share. Still won't change how I feel and it will effect my future generosity with you, but I also know I'm wrong to feel this way. Sharing is NOT an obligation. As for what Pacific thinks or does, who cares? That bitch has been off her rocker since her return to the internet. And lets recap her existence before her departure since she feels so comfy judging the rest of us. When we first met, there was no mistaking that my Romulan clone was not on the trading block because of a promise I foolishly made. It was my first clone and I was naive enough to agree not to share it. A mistake I've never repeated. Anyway, everything else in my stable was available and much trading happened with no strings attached. She played a role in bringing Aeric's cali-o clone north in addition to I think my first copy of G13. Other than the grapefruit clone, I can't remember what else went south, but there was a lot. The connection and trading between Pacific and myself was very beneficial to growers in both nations. Then we had our last visit which was weird. First while sitting on the ferry, she bragged how she was going to be using one friend to squeeze the Princess cut from a trusted friend of Soul's. She filled me with a bunch of anti Soul gossip of which who knows how much was true and how much was edited with her agenda. Didn't really matter, it was none of my business. She also picked up cuts and some samples of aquaponic sweet skunk that was just heavenly. But boy did it reak. Everytime she opened her purse, the entire area would be filled with the smell of cannabis. Discretion was definately lacking as she proudly advertised her purse's aroma in checkout lines and the cafeteria. Well she made a common tourist mistake and underestimated the time it takes to take multiple ferries and she missed her ferry back to the US. We decided to grab dinner and catch a movie. She was broke, so I paid. I won't even let my best friend into my home, therefore I got her a hotel room. Which came with alot of ribbing from friends, haah. Last thing we talked about was her getting her cargo home safely. I flat out told her that she was foolish to try and carry such stinky stuff. That she should mail it and that I would be happy to help her with that. She said she had it under control. Well next thing i hear is that she got busted at the border. She still had the stinky purse and well once they asked her for ID, she was busted. Luckily she only got a small fine, $500 I seem to recall. However, since her travels benefited a group of us, she expected the group to pitch in. Most were dumbfounded by her stupidity, so I'm not sure how much people pitched in. I never did, I figured $500 wasn't a big deal and that I had already contributed alot while playing the host. Well next time I hear from her, she has the new name Pacific and is again asking me for a cut of Romulan in a private message. I find it offensive when someone repeatedly asks me to do something I'm not willing to do. In my opinion, it shows complete disrespect. Again I politely say no. Then the public posts start where she starts slagging seed makers with specific attention to me and Soul. She brags about having Princess and cuts down Romulan. I call her on her BS and she has been acting like a complete bitch ever since. Well, like most of you know, some call her a she and others call her a he. There is some debate on this one, but she thinks of herself as a woman and would prefer to be addressed as such. Out of all our mutual friends, I'm probably one of the only ones that has without question, respected this wish of hers. As a human being she deserves such respect. I've always been generous with her and willing to help her out. Whether genetics or information, sharing was unobstructed. The friendship I offered here was honest and true without strings and expectations. All I can think of for her to sour is that I won't break my word to another and share Romulan with her. Well anyone who can't respect the fact that I want to keep my promise really is not worth worrying about. Therefore Dank, with this in mind, I really cannot fathom why you or anyone should gives a rats ass about what Pacific thinks or does. She is simply showing what a greedy hypocrit she is. She is duplicating the very actions that she condems. And worse, it's not out of keeping a promise. It's greed and jealousy. Not worth loosing sleep over dude. As for the conspiracy against you, again it's not worth sweating over. The world is much bigger than the jealous insiders here. The genepool is much bigger than any individual clone. The seedmarket is too big for any single group to control your future. If it wasn't, I still wouldn't be around. I have ruffled many feathers and hurt many greedy pocket books. As a result, many have tried to remove me from the seed business by blackmailing seed vendors to not carry my seedline. Two outfits that I share the CW helpdesks with tried telling Gypsy that they wouldn't sell to him if he stocked BCGA genetics. The fools actually thought that Gypsy needed them more than they needed Gypsy, haha. I have to give Gypsy credit, he showed courage and integrity by standing up to the blackmailers and still asking to carry my seedline. I hope one day we can get past one small problem and work together. Not all seed vendors have had the same level of courage that Gypsy displayed when he shared the politics effecting him. One competing breeders is telling our mutual friends that unless they distance themselves from me, that he wants nothing to do with them. He's even said that my friends deserve the same physical assault he plans for me. Thankfully, most that I consider friends are true friends. Dank, what I'm saying is that others can't determine your future and your success. Despite the efforts of others, you are the only one that controls your future, you just have to want to seize that control. Take Hibe's advice, he has been a true friend to you whether you realize it or not. Give the man the respect that he deserves. Just worry about what counts in this case, your actions and not the actions of others. Vic High [/SIZE]

 

[The Hatter]

As Sam has said,it's the terpenes,not the other cannabinoids that affect the high.

You can have 2 plants with the exact same cannabinoid profile but 1 will get you high and the other will get you stoned,the only difference being what terpenes are in the bud.

Another thing to keep in mind is there upwards of about 60 cannabaniods found in cannabis. Only a handful have actually been studied properly and generally this group only includes those most commonly found such as THC, THCV, CBD, CBN and their related precursors. Many of the remaining cannabaniods are relatively untested and unkown compounds. The same can be said of many of the terpens found in cannabis. Only the more common terpenes have had much research done into their pharmacological actions.

It reminds me a little of what happened with Kratom. For years they thought its chief psychoactive component was mitragynine simply because it was the most common alkaloid and thus when they they tested it and found it was a partial agonist of the mu opiod receptor they assumed it was the primary agent behind Kratom's opiod effects. Years later after further study of some of the less common alkaloids found in the plant, it was realized that these other far less common and assumed less pertinent alkaloids were actually responsible for the lion share of Kratom's opiod effects. Although present in much smaller quantities, these compounds were many times stronger than the mitragynine.

My whole point is that there is a lot we don't know about cannabis's "lesser" alkaloids. You can compare two strains that look very similar on paper when comparing their common cannabiniod and terpene profiles and they have subjectively different effects. It stands to reckon that some of the large number of unstudied terpenes and cannabiniods that aren't tested for may have some bearing on the pharmaceutics of the plant. It's only been in relatively recent times that we even became aware of the roll CBD, THCV, CBD and some of the more common terpenes play in cannabis's pharmacological effects which is the reason we had the failed experiment that was Marinol. Big pharma and science simply didn't understand at the time that there was more to cannabis than its most common and well studied cannabiniod. Science is often prone to losing the forest for the trees. Sometimes the sum exceeds the individual parts which simply do not work properly when removed from the whole. I think in the future we may see the list of active cannabis terpenes and cannabaniods known to have pharmacological implications grow as the plant is increasingly being studied seriously by medical science.

Something I would love to try is an isolate of each of the dozens of alkaloids found in cannabis and try them as concentrates by themselves just to see what happens. I have yet to find even the most common cannabinoids in pure isolated form where I am. You can find high CBD extracts and strains but none that are pure 100%. The same is true for CBN, THCV etc. The more common terpenes are easier to get a hold of in extract form because they are not mired in legal issues in the same way but the less common ones still cannot be found.

I guess what I was trying to say with this long rambling wall of words is just that the best way to test potency is simply to try it yourself and that science still doesn't have a complete enough picture of what if any effect the remaining unstudied terpenes and cannabioniods are actually having on the end experience.

 

[Discorilla]

Looks like a nice g13 hybrid, kinda looks like barneys farm g13 haze. Hybrids have good vigor.

If it were a hybrid, I coudn't trace the seed source. The clone has been around in my circle for 15-20 years.

 

[Cannavore]

Ah, so there is a person named Pacific as well. I could see how you would be confused.

In that case, let me rephrase it. This is a cut from Washington that I called a Pacific cut, but was meaning to say a Pacific Northwest Regional cut. My bad.

Here ya go. My G13 cut @ day 28 12/12 (She smells really bad, grows faster than any of my other ladies, and is the biggest nute-whore I have):
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For reference:


Pacific's G13

Original G13 (allegedly extinct)

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Potency is subjective. I run from clone a lot, some grows that clone will be pretty potent, then other grows it will be head crushing.

Too many variables to say "this strain is the most potent". Tolerance, mood, pheno, how well they were grown all contribute to what can be considered potency.

I think I read something about brain health also contributing to the potency of marijuana and how taking fish oil can actually make your high's more intense.

I take omega oils every day, I am an every day smoker of many years and still find just about everything to be pretty f'in potent. About half a joint from most strains gets me plenty high.

 

[Discorilla]

I guess we shall see what I have as the next few weeks come into play. The individual characteristics of the buds should become apparent in the near future. The last round got rootbound and Nitrogen Deficient, so I don't have a very good photo of that last plant.

 

[bioguy]

Direction of thread[/URL]

No prob! It lost direction a long time ago and I kinda mis titled it. Thanks for joining.

 

[bioguy]

Happens to me all the time bro, lol I just shrug it off ...I'd be the real crazy one for thinking everyone had to like or agree with me!

Are you the doc? I thought he meant Dr Purple. I'm so confused. I'm also glad to see lots of knowledgeable people getting in on this.

And your "shrug it off" is perfect. Thanks again

 

[bioguy]

Exactly CBD suppresses the effect from THC ....THC = upper/CBD = downer! How much of a reduction are you talking about because if it's only a minor reduction (like a few percent or less) for a longer high I'm all for that!
Or are you saying it's such a reduction it makes that erb a lesser quality compared to the high all THC strain/cross? I've smoked alot of weed in my day and I can honestly say the THC percentage doesn't matter in the end product, it's the total combination of the cannabiniods!! That's why a 17% thc cultivar can be overall better than a 22% thc one ...j/s!

Do you think this (and terps) is why my ultra clean winterized bho does not always have the kick I would expect?

 

[bioguy]

Originally Posted by symbiote420 View Post
Potency is in the eye, or lungs of the toker! I got a few pals that prefer to smoke reggies over the chronic buds, have friends who can't smoke any sativa dom buds no matter how good they are without getting a headache and I'm talking one hit! I have peeps that smoke indy doms that don't like them much because of the way it effects them too, so to each his own when it comes to potency ...But, there are some strains & crosses that have a nice range of potency that satisfies the majority of smokers in general.

BINGO!

While I agree 100% I also think that by focusing on repeated award winners that also test high we can eliminate some of this from the equation.

 

[siftedunity]

Haha. That's straight up jealousy talking right there!

I'd be concerned if I didn't know what it was.

I said I have a Pacific G13 cut. You don't know what I got homie...

I guess we shall see what I have as the next few weeks come into play.

im not hating but you don't seem too convinced yourself now..
that pic doesn't look like any pic ive ever seen of any cut of g13 ive seen. yours looks like it has a very sativa influence.

 

[bioguy]

I may have said this already but one of the reasons I started this is I am a wannabe breeder (amateur pollen chucker). Thus I have very limited space/time/energy for fathers.

I know a lot of really knowledgeable people are following this so I will ask my $10 million question. If you could only have 1 strain to father all your seeds what would it be? I've got access to endless females having a good father would be awesome.

Old School or New School?
Ultra Old School or Ultra New School
F1 of any above combo

It seems like newer strains are more inbreed so older strains (at least the stable ones) would yield more consistent results. But modern strains have had a lot of the crap genetics breed out so it might yield more consistently potent results. I know there is a lot of catch 22 in this. Either might really open up the potential of my mothers (newer polyhybrids might yield amazing pheno's but I would think something like a "Sour Chem Og" would yield a narrower range of pheno's...than say Afghan/Skunk or G-13/HP). Finally I believe that when the female pheno's are unpredictable then so are the males. This leads me to believe that when choosing from a small selection of males its better to go with something stable/uniform...but those strains are rarely the most amazing.

Obviously no correct answer on this one. Whats your opinion?

Goals:
1) Keep flowering period short (65 days or less)
2) Bulk seeds for outdoor growing
3) Seeds for pheno hunting
4) Variety
5) Find something like the mother (so not a father known for dominance)
I'm not expecting to find a grail but I'd like to think I'd find plants as good as the moms.

I suspect 4 and 5 are at odds with each other.

I am currently leaning towards
MR. Nice Seeds Ortega (maybe too much indica)
Cali Connections Deadhead OG (maybe to modern/inbreed)
C99 X ? (I like the Sativa and short flower but did not like the C99 I had)
A SSH x Indica (is there even a good one available? IDK)

I really like the idea of Chem x Old School F1 (best of both worlds) but I have very little knowledge of who has what. I mean who has a (say Chem x NL) that is actually from real Chem AND NL.

 

[bioguy]

I was looking over the strains on the original high times list again and noticed another random tidbit.

If you take the NON Chem list and look for strains that also show up in Chem crosses only 2 strains are left. NL #5 and Haze. That's to say, the list has Chem/Og/Sour/Headband crosses with NL#5 and Haze AND haze and NL#5 show up in non Chem line crosses.

Is it a coincidence that these are some of the oldest, stood the test of time and continue to work their magic when crossed to the newest strains?

And where is the NL #5 coming from? I thought it was just a female cutting and part of the "where did Nevil's stuff go debate".