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Monsanto's Really needs to be STOPPED HELP
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In over 30 years in the wholesale produce industry I've NEVER seen a tree fruit grown in Chile that was worth dragging home. It's simply eye-candy for produce retailers.
The same can be said for the tomato crop out of Baja California during the winter months - show me one that actually taste like a tomato or even ketchup. Good luck! Even the hydroponic tomato commodities out of British Columbia are better - faint praise indeed.
CC
The same can be said for the tomato crop out of Baja California during the winter months - show me one that actually taste like a tomato or even ketchup. Good luck! Even the hydroponic tomato commodities out of British Columbia are better - faint praise indeed.
CC
That's where I live now....the heart of the glass house hydroponic tomato/pepper industry of BC
Microbeman
When B.C. Hothouse was first up and running our company was one of their first distributors in the Pacific Northwest. Prior to that we were buying these commodities out of Holland. The main company in Holland was the initial partner in setting up the greenhouses in British Columbia.
Their bell peppers, cukes and tomatoes which are grown hydroponically certainly look 'picture perfect' and are a good prop for photographers. For cooks and chefs - not so much.
CC
Yep, if BC hydro tomatoes are same quality as the Dutch ones, they're only good for photographer as you said. Bland taste & all water !
Irie !
mriko
I can't speak about today's strains but originally the Canadian operations were using the very same varieties/strains used in Holland. The relationship between the Dutch and Canadian operations was pretty deep & abiding.
Here's a photo of 'factory farmed' tomatoes - lovely, eh?
LMAO
CC
grapeman
Know these guys out of the Salinas District's "Salad Bowl" operations?
Not exactly 'hippies' by any stretch of the imagination. How about Del Cabo? Or the organic fields (in the thousands of acres) at the Bolt House operations? Then there's the organic fields run by Tanimura and Antle, Boskovich, et al.
Or how about the organic strawberries out of Driscoll and their proprietary variety - the one with the 'green shoulders' which has posed marketing issues since Day 1 but because of the FLAVOR achieved via organic/sustainable agriculture processes they were able to overcome the cosmetic issues by providing FLAVOR.
Interesting concept some might argue.
CC
Know these guys out of the Salinas District's "Salad Bowl" operations?
Not exactly 'hippies' by any stretch of the imagination. How about Del Cabo? Or the organic fields (in the thousands of acres) at the Bolt House operations? Then there's the organic fields run by Tanimura and Antle, Boskovich, et al.
Or how about the organic strawberries out of Driscoll and their proprietary variety - the one with the 'green shoulders' which has posed marketing issues since Day 1 but because of the FLAVOR achieved via organic/sustainable agriculture processes they were able to overcome the cosmetic issues by providing FLAVOR.
Interesting concept some might argue.
CC
I have some awesome tomato seeds stored away; heritage beefsteak from organic fields in the Similkameen valley and Compari from Italy. I grew these two years ago on my farm and gave them away to neighbors who said it reminded them of what tomatoes taste like after buying the tasteless stuff in the stores.
Thomkal Vwalaa
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Maybe you should try growing organic... jk MM!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is more than genetics which determine a tomato's flavor. I thought climate plays a large role in the development of the flavor, specifically temperature and water levels.
This grapeguy thinks GMOs require less inputs... lmao. GMOs require more inputs, it's a scheme by Monsanto to get everyone hooked on their fertz and -icides. It must be dark with his head buried so deep in the sand.
hehe i crossed my two favorite tomato varieties last year - pink brandywine x gardeners delight (its a damn site harder than doing a cannabis cross)
VG
VG
soil plays a massive role in flavor of tomatoes. ones grown in mineral soil mix taste much better than ones grown in just growbags (peat).
Thomkal Vwalaa
In the Brittany Islands the farmers are famous all over France as producing the finest tomatoes and potatoes. In fact their tomatoes are named (in French of course) 'Royal Tomatoes' and for good reason.
They employ a sustainable method that includes a kelp product called 'vraic' - something you might find interesting to study.
CC
Thomkal Vwalaa
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+rep CC! Thanks. Those French... they love their high end food, and they can cook.
BIG frown upon the masses that poison their body daily, not knowing, thinking they are doing the right thing eating healthier.
It seems so damn hard these days to find decent clean food, it should be automatic yet lobbyists have succeeded in bringing all the opposite in your face, at a cheap price.
Food is nothing if it doesn't also feed your soul.
It seems so damn hard these days to find decent clean food, it should be automatic yet lobbyists have succeeded in bringing all the opposite in your face, at a cheap price.
Food is nothing if it doesn't also feed your soul.
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elmanito
Although Roundup is a herbicide the reduce of pesticides is a myth.In China & India they needed more pesticides to treat against secondary plaques than before and in Argentina the use of Roundup increased with the years which was only good for Monsanto.
Bt-corn seems to decrease aflatoxin contamination in corn, which can damage corn crops in the millions, but the spray of Roundup on your corn is a replacement for the aflatoxin, which is still unknown what the effects are on the longterm.
Durood Bar Shoma
I meant herbicide instead of pesticide.... my bad... 
Grapes grow in South America in the winter... during their summer... you don't have to genetically modify grapes to be able to have them during our winter.
People are NOT eating healthier. In fact we have never been fatter. We are not healthy by a long shot. The nutrition of today's vegetables isn't nearly what it was fifty years ago. I marvel at the fact that you think those 6 billion do nothing to feed themselves. I marvel at the fact that you might think it best for one company to provide for those providers wondrous tools.
Removing science from the equation? Let's use a little bit shall we?
GM doesn't reduce herbicide use... look at Roundup Ready varieties... they want you to spray your fields with Roundup.
Bt cotton doesn't require pesticides but it certainly does need fertilizer... in vast quantities.
Basic food products are made healthier by GM?
I'm sure you are aware this is "flat stupidity".
Distribution to the far reaches of the globe doesn't seem necessary... but I guess it's nice if you think you need to... but that seems a little bit like getting high and thinking you can feed those far reaches of the globe with our backyard.
Just like you grapeman... I'm all grown up... and set in my ways
for you to say people are not healthier is just plain stupid. And for you to think that science and genetics are not involved in having fruit (grapes also0 in the market 12 months out of the year just shows your ignorance. You have no idea what it takes to bring food to market.
And for every failed example of GM, there are plenty of successes.
Without science, you wouldn't even know how to can you freaking tomatos, yet you can pass the fattie and dream of the good old days that were not very good at all. You'd know that if you listened in school.
grapeman
Know these guys out of the Salinas District's "Salad Bowl" operations?
Not exactly 'hippies' by any stretch of the imagination. How about Del Cabo? Or the organic fields (in the thousands of acres) at the Bolt House operations? Then there's the organic fields run by Tanimura and Antle, Boskovich, et al.
Or how about the organic strawberries out of Driscoll and their proprietary variety - the one with the 'green shoulders' which has posed marketing issues since Day 1 but because of the FLAVOR achieved via organic/sustainable agriculture processes they were able to overcome the cosmetic issues by providing FLAVOR.
Interesting concept some might argue.
CC
Very few operators are hippies. They sell to hippies if the hippies are willing to pay more money for a like product. but it is a limited market.
We have organics too. 40 acres.
And Yes, I know some of those boys. In fact I leased my cold storage to Cal-Organic before Grimmway bought them and I bought an 80 acre parcel from Driscoll when they abandoned their desert strawberry operation some years back. But we all have some acreage of organic crops. Some produce (like carrots have more organic acreage since they are easier to grow and love to grow in virgin soil). Bolthouse and Grimmway are well known for moving around quit a bit, planting virgin ground (or leasing virgin ground) for several grows and moving on to another field. They do very little sustainable farming. But organics are a drop in the bucket compared to non-organics.
But CC - you know that flavor has far more to do with genetics, and not organic growing methods. Strawberries and tomatos especially. Both products are notorious due to the fact that the tastiest (genetics) have the shortest legs (shipping distance is short). That is the main reason folks like homegrown or local tomatos and strawberries. It has little to do with organic methods.
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if monsanto is doing such a fine job providing for all the 6B peoples on planet, why then are 1B peoples starving?
http://www.worldvision.org/content....a-child?open&campaign=1193514&cmp=KNC-1193514
400M peoples in the last 50 years! I know gm foods are here only short time, but peoples are still starving.
correlated to my ACT population, there are huge swings in population after adding nutrient values, and an opposite reaction to overpopulation. we are not so different from the resident populations in my ACT brewery.
perhaps it's an evolutionary adaptation, only the strong survive no longer applies.
http://www.worldvision.org/content....a-child?open&campaign=1193514&cmp=KNC-1193514
400M peoples in the last 50 years! I know gm foods are here only short time, but peoples are still starving.
correlated to my ACT population, there are huge swings in population after adding nutrient values, and an opposite reaction to overpopulation. we are not so different from the resident populations in my ACT brewery.
perhaps it's an evolutionary adaptation, only the strong survive no longer applies.
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