Mold proof jungle strains

[Dirtboy808]

You are not alone. Most everyone who lives up here is sucking. Those 2 big ones and 1 Rhinowreck, 1 Cheese Quake, 1 Superbomb I lost everything else. It has been a bad year my corn never grew right and I'm going to cut my last big one today if it stops rainning.
The bore beatles were kicking my ass this year, I've never growen inside but thinking about it or move to the ocean. Latters

 

[JOJO420]

Today was the day. I QUIT.....No more outdoor for this guy for awhile.
Went out this morning and utter destruction. Lost 7 months of work.. 13' x 10' ft plants that had POUNDS!! ...ALL DEAD.
All is gone
The rains OR SOMETHING?? destroyed all my plants. I had them tied up, wrapped in hortinova AND supported. Still broke... Rain was just too much every day...
Im guttted, don't know what else to say.
This is gonna really affect my year this year, in a bad, BAD way

 

[Dirtboy808]

Bra
Clones outside go much faster I'm going back to that for the winter I can't afford to buy a indoor set up or have the time to learn, that job thing gets in the way. I saw a old friend who lives in lower HPP he has no mold WTF. I at least have my 2 big ones that have made it very good. I'm going to ask they guys at GGG for more of those seeds if they bust loose I will get you some to play with. This is the best for outside I have seen in years they hit this cross right for me anyway. This gets my vote for mold restance infact I had no PM on them. Latters

 

[Dirtboy808]

Col Gold X Chem OG

Col Gold X Chem OG

This is the only plant that I have been able to finish and not sure what it would look like if it wasn't rainning every day. Aloha View attachment 180872

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[Avinash.miles]

shit jojo420, that sucks, sorry to hear.. im always interested in resistances.... looks real nice dirty boy!

 

[TheFlyinHaWyn!]

super shitty to hear bro. i feel for ya, it takes a lot of start up money, and continuous monies to keep electric going. outdoor is tough. now i know why people always put out hundreds expecting minimal return. good luck bro, i am about to lose my catpiss clone that i had for years. time to start more seeds. aloha bro.

 

[JOJO420]

^bump,lol

Just cause I stopped outdoors does not mean this thread dies.. We are still on the hunt for mold proof jungle strains.
Right now Dirtboy808, and his Gage Green genetics are bar none. Pics speak for themselves. This guy went through the same conditions I did.If you look closely, his buds look better than most buds you will ever see, indoor or out. They look perfect.
I know his skill and dedication has a lot do do with this no doubt, but genetics shine through in all this rain. He will agree.
Genetic wise outdoors here=GAGE GREEN for the WIN in 2012!!!!! Columbo x chem/OG +HAWAII=WINNER
I knew the OG would do good here. Look back in this thread, I said that OG genetics will do good in Puna, and got corrected.
Same with the Chem..
This is what I was told

"OG Kush is from a Chemdog S1 and it is definetly not a Sativa. I think its a hybrid of some sort but it definetly has a lot of indica in it. Sorry to say this, but it will mold in your tropical area. I also too live in a tropical island that rains all year round, and any Chem hybrid or whatnot does mold outside unless under a greenhouse. I have also seen plants under a greenhouse mold due to high humidity from the surrounding air. Your best bet would be some Jamaicans, Thais, Viets, Cambodia, or your local available strains.
Hope this helps."

Of course Columbian will do good here, duh So will ANY Sativa.. Its Gage Greens genetics that saved this guys summer. Read his posts.He lost a a lot of plants also, but these mamas did it.
It was a gut feeling, a connection with those OG/Chem genetics that has been proven true. Its not about the money, cause there is none,lol. Its about how the plant flowers, how it develops, what it needs, what it wants.
This is about these genetics reaching potential here in our climate.
Look at this thread,at Dirboy808. KUDOS BRAH!!
Imagine, like he said, what that plant can do here without all this rain??? I wanna find out...
More to come soon.. This thread just got juiced with AAA grade genetics.
UP NEXT:
Valley OG
ADubb
SkunKDawg
KBK aka Kalapana Blueberry Kush
BatDawg
KatDawg
And more local Hawaiian favorites

 

[Dirtboy808]

Thanks JOJO. And you are right about the genetics. If you had grown those seeds you would have killed it. I heard they have released those seeds. Looking forward to seeing how your new line up goes.

 

[RedDirtWarrior]

jojo out of all the strains you have done outdoors here, which one would you say was the hardiest/required the least attention?

Also did you notice any strains that grew well in straight red dirt, or red dirt with compost/other soil mixture? I need a strain that doesn't require fancy soil to grow.

btw sorry to hear you're having trouble this year. All 6 of my GT's ( ace seeds golden tiger) are alive, id say 3/6 are well however lol. My first plot has soil ph issues, unfinished soil mix. So I got 3 1 ft GT's that will yield an oz a piece.

Then I got some bigger GT's i expect to finish under 4 ft, and yield a couple o's a piece. I like GT , they are in mostly red dirt and they seem to like it.

 

[RedDirtWarrior]

WOW!! Looking good Looks like I gotta get me some gage green seeds of that strain. The Nevilles Madness and the sativa's I'm growing looks like shit compared to your buds. Not even in the same ballpark,lol.. I made a huge mistake growing the strains I did.
I have had a miserable failure of a year this year. From sub par genetics in a couple strains to grower/partner error of every sort, and every problem in between. Most of all mold, powdery mildew and downey mildew has severely affected my sucess this year.I have yet to grow any strain this year that has not gotten it. I have not been able to grow one single plant, indoor or out with any real success. I have also had constant pH issues, along with heat and ventilation problems in my indoor rooms. My veg room is producing lanky sick plants that hardly grow. I am getting growth like I'm under weak floro's??? I cant get the problem sorted out.. I just ran this same system for a year in California with outstanding results. I move home to Hawaii and it's like I cant grow for shit.This is the worst year of my life grow wise. I just dont understand why I am having all these problems or even what to do to sort out any of them. Its frustrating to say the least. I have spent countless hours worried and wasting time and money.
Really bad year this year...

Cant quit or things will be worse...SOOO this is what I did.

I started over.
From the beginning, from scratch. Like I'm a new grower and have to learn everything. Things are that screwed up around here.
I took a intensive introspective look at my systems , my tools and most of all MYSELF, and my methods. I have read days of ICmag posts I have tried every method I can find on ICmag with ZERO, I mean NO sucess yet. Im still trying. When I find out the source of all these problems, its gonna be a great day
I replaced bulbs, bought new pH meters and fertilizers. Bought new bags of coco, bought new bales of sunshine #4, new bags of FFOF. New pots, new trays got everything ready and on hand. I have all the correct sized pots of all kind make and models. Airpots, smartpots, plasticpots, woven grow bags, you name it, we got it. out with old, in with the new...
I then researched proven methods and recipes for sucess. I calibrated pH meters and PPM pens correctly, and have a backup in case of emergencies. I have 2 PPM pens, 2 pH pens and test strips that do 6 different tests at once.. I'm ready for anything..
At this point, I knew I had the right tools, that they all worked (most of the time,lol) and that I had the right grow medium for whatever situation I create. This eased my mind and allowed me to focus on other issues.

Biggest problem I was having is the inability to keep a plant healthy. If I started with a healthy clone or seedling from someone, it would take a nose dive and never recover. I tried every recipe in the book. I tried only water. NOTHING worked. It was after months of failures then that I knew my problems started with my water source. Was I overfeeding, not enough, wrong recipe, overwatering?? I was spinning my wheels, Felt more hopeless than a newb. No matter what I did, and I know all the tricks, nothing would stay healthy.. TILL I CHANGED MY WATER SOURCE. Come to find out, my $10k water tank and $3k filter system makes rainwater potable for house use, but not for plants. This was found out in july/aug. Been having problems since Feb...
Water comes out the filters at 5 pH and maybe 10-12 PPM. I'm thinking "wow that's great a little ph up and its like r/o water"
I was all set up with good water....WRONG!!!
If I add any ferts at all, no matter what strength, drops pH to low 3's. It takes tablespoons of pH UP to get to 5.8-6... This was the first sign of a problem. So I wet with the organics and put away the pen. Made things WAY worse , had to destroy all my plants and start completely over. did this twice, wait no, 3 times so far since Feb.., I don't have any plants to talk about beside e 2 giant outdoor monsters that are taking forever and look like will take till November at this rate.arghhhh!!!
Ok back to the story...
Thanks to the wonderful community here at ICmag We got to the source of the supposed problem and how supposedly to remedy it. The solution was simple, I was told to add .25g per gallon of calcium carbonate to add alkalinity and adjust the water chemistry. My water system was stripping the rainwater of all usable buffers and any alkalinity. I went to the garden store, bought 10lb's of Calc Carb, for $3.49. I'm thinking "this is great, inexpensive and will solve my problems"
WRONG, again.....
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=243302
Its all there, the different tests.
I just never got the rainwater from our tank and system to grow anything right.
Test #1
Took 4 gallons of water from the filtered tank,it read 17 PPM and 4.8pH. I then added .25 grams per gallon of Calc Carb, stirred it up and took a reading, no change.
Not to pH or to PPM.
Calc Carb at the suggested rate did nothing to the plain water far as I could tell. I let it set for 24 hrs anyway before adding nutes.
WHAT IT DID DO.... was turn my GH Maxi nutes milky and slightly foamy. After 24 hrs, the clear green or pink solution would be milkey whitish green or pink.The mix was PRECIPITATING.... We NOW noticed that all of the plants we used the clear mix on were screwed up also..
That made 4 straight runs that failed.. Even plain water did nothing to help... 4 straight times I had to kill everything and start over..
What I do now is mix my nutes with plain water the day before I need them, wait till the pH rises to the lowest desired range and feed. No more precipitation, no more ph up. If anything I use like 1/8 tsp of pH down per 5 gallon bucket when out of range after 3-4 days.I just start feeding at 5.8 and stop at 6.3 or so.
It took months of failure, weeks of tests and a little luck, but I seem to have found a groove with my water and my nutes.

Next problem had to be the soiless medium I chose to use, right had to be..LOL. Anyway. Its called Klasmann TS4. Kinda like Sunshine mix#4 or Promix. But somehow this stuff made it impossible to use ferts. Even at 1/4 strength, plants would ram horn and twist and curl. I'm not using it anymore, I learned my lesson. Using that stuff screwed up my whole crop, live n learn I guess. But the kicker is, any grow medium I chose to use it with did the same thing. FFOF , Coco, it did not matter what I mixed that Klasmann with, no matter how much I cut the stuff, I got the same result. Everytime they start healthy, for the first week, then the ramhorned leaves and twisting, curling starts.New growth is mutated looking growth.Little hooks form at the tips of all the leaves, the leaf itself turns dark and starts to crinkle and mutate. And the plants did this on straight water, so all those that are thinking overfert, I feel ya, but clones on only water all of life, they did it also.. It had to be the goddamn Klasmann .
Back to Sunshine #4...

Third strike was my veg room. To put it bluntly, it sucked. Name a problem and I had it. Room ran at 88 with 78% humidity and was hotter during hot days. This is a 7' x 7' x 8' room, with 1 400w MH vented by a 4" vortex. Not optimum, but its what I have. And Im too broke to get any kind of new equipment. The room has had outbreaks of powdery mildew, botrytis and downy mildew. Most of the time it was all 3 at once. Even though we sprayed religiously with green cure, it was out of control. Not till we added a dehumidifier AND the green cure did we get it under control. I got rid of all the mothers and any clones that had problems. so this round I have healthy plants, THANK GOD.. The room at first was a ghetto attempt to veg some plants for outdoor season this year. Since I'm done with outdoor for a minute, and have a 7x7x8 with A/c and a dehumidifier I decided to rebuild the room and be more efficient with the resources I have.
We put up drywall on the unfinished wall, hung a proper door, one that can lock.. We installed a 5,000btu A/C unit to cool temps and regulate humidity.Bought a brand new bat wing reflector, that proceeded to burn, and turn ugly colors, idk why??? Anyone have that problem?
Anyway, the room is now sealed and the temps are 75 with 55% humidity 24 hrs a day. That was the first step in the right direction.
Now I'm installing drip trays to catch the runoff from my blumats. That's the second and third step, going in tonight..
Im working with a 400w digital ballast and an eye hortilux super HPS.
The tray I have is 30" x30", perfect for a 400w. Gonna do run to waste.
Have both GH and PBP , will do COCO or sunshine #4.

In theory , I have this all worked out for an indoor run. PLEASE GOD LET THIS WORK OUT, PLEASE ..


I gave up on growing outside, too much rain for any of the strains I ran this year, nothing but problems.. Maybe next year
I will post pics of the Nevilles Madness and the sativas another day. Im too damn tired and discouraged to even go out there today.

haha the first wall of text i've read here. jojo have you ever considered taking the rainwater directly from your catchment tank instead of the stuff that goes through the filter? I'd THINK pure rainwater without any filtering would be good stuff.

 

[JOJO420]

Aloha RedDirt. Im still looking for that same strain you are looking for,lol.
Let me know when you find it.

In a bit of good news. Im killin it with my indoor room. THANK GOD

And in a bit of better news from outdoor. I have 1 plant that made it this far somehow. Not sure how, buts its still alive.. Been in the bush since March 1..
Its huge, easy 12ft'r . I don't know how this thing has made it. Im not in the clear by any means and Im hoping for the best. Looks like late oct, I hope... Indian Sativa, NEVER AGAIN,lol.

 

[JOJO420]

Ok here she is,lol. Indian sativa, seed brought back from Rajistan. Planted by my landlady. She gave it to me on Feb 3 2012. She planted the seed in 2011. In Feb I cut off the buds and did a regrow. Put outside March 2012. Somehow, against all odds, she made it through the Rains, the Borers, Worms, and Bugs, Green Harvest and Rippers, and my stoned ass.. SO FAR SO GOOD
BOM SHIVA !!!

The weather this year has been challenging to say the least. According to the National Weather Service, we have had 1, yes 1 sunny day this month. Rainfall totals of over 60 inches in the last 4 months. We still have not had a full 7 days of sun yet this year. I'm waiting patiently for sun, so she can tighten up and get some frost. I have no doubt she will do it regardless of the weather ,but damn, we need some sun

 

[sprinkl]

Hey man I have a somewhat related problem except I'm growing indoors in a rented house that's got some moisture issues on one side. I think that's the reason I've been getting PM ridden grows lately so I looked for a PM resistent strain and found one.
Probably will grow it next round!
I don't know about budrot or bug resistencies but since it's a 1/4 haze(and another 1/8 Kali Mist) I think it should have some other tropical genes somewhere in it that make it suitable for your climate.

Strain Name:

Caramel Cough

Brand:

Dynasty Seeds

Landrace,F1,F2, Selfed,Polyhybrid etc

Polyhybrid
Lineage:

The Cough(NL#5/Haze) x Ms.Universe #10

Parental Information

MOM-The cough is a very special clone only cut of an Old NL#5/Haze..
I first received The Cough in the late 90s from a friend who moved to Oregon from Colorado.. At the time I was gifted the cut, I was told it was the original NL#5 clone crossed with a Haze Bros Haze that he had been growing in colorado.. He assured me this strain is NOT the same as the NL#5/Haze that came from Amsterdam… It is named ‘The Cough’ for a good reason, it Makes you COUGH… She has nice medicinal values, great yields and is Powder Mildew resistant… I’ve seen her in rooms covered with PM and she never once showed any signs of it..

With her 12+week bloom time, she is an advanced strain to grow which made her close to extinct when everyone went for faster blooming strain as the Kush trend took hold of the scene…. I knew how special she was, and could not bring myself to let her go… Over 13years later I still have the original cough that I was gifted..


DAD- This proven stud of the Ms.Universe has earned him self the name “Schwatzenagger” from our test growers.. This is the same dad that has been used for the Caramel Candy Kush, which passes of flavors, trichomes and vigor to all of his offspring the far.. He made a great match with The Cough..

Indica/Sativa %

Sativa Dominant

Feminized Seeds?

No

Indoor / Outdoor

Indoor
Outdoor
Greenhouse
Bloom Length:

9-11 weeks

# of Phenotypes?

5 thus far

Describe each phenotype expression:

**Expect connoisseur grade buds, with no shortage of trichomes on all phenos..

Pheno #1(30%)- most common pheno thus far, shares many similarities with the cough mother.. dark green/blue hued leaves, slower at beginning of veg but excels growth when a good root system is established.. 2-3x stretch

Pheno #2 (20%)- Ms.universe dom, one of the fastest phenos in veg, but stretches 4x so make sure your bloom room can accommodate her size.

Pheno #3 (20%)- approx 50/50 split in between #1 & #2.. This plant grows very well rounded and has a consistent growth rate throughout veg and bloom.. She still has a stretch of 2.5-3x that will need to be contained.

Pheno #4 (20%)- stockier plant with a little closer node spacing than #2, but only has a 2x stretch..

Pheno #5 (10%)- Dominant Haze expressions, 4x stretch, long foxtail blossoms, 11+ week bloom..

 

[JOJO420]

I have given up on any kind of hope about nice weather for this year.. It been rain for the last week , all day and all night, when its not raining its grey and overcast. NO SUN , arghhh... My buds are not growing, they are just sitting there in this kind of stasis. In fact today they look less plump than last week, like they are opening up to shed the rain?? I just do not see how a plant can finish in these conditions, no matter what the strain or who bred the plant. Plants can't grow right if there is no sun.

According to the National Weather Service we had 1 official sunny day in Sept, 3 in Aug and 4 in July.. Thats 7 days of sunny weather in 3 months.. How da hell am I supposed to have any success with shitty weather like this?? I looked it up, and my plants have been under 65 inches of rain since she sexed.Thats 65 inches of rain so far in bloom, and she has a month to go. I bet this plant gets close to 90 inches before she is done Most people cannot even comprehend that much rain, let alone bloom a plant in it.

The stem and branches have turned green. The hairs have turned black and shrunken All the fan leaves have died and turned black and yellow and what looks like cancerous growths have formed on all the branches.. BUT NO MOLD .. Don't know how, but no mold. Even where the slight caterpillar damage is, no mold.
I'm hoping that she continues to hold up, the weather gets sunny and I can harvest in dry weather. Have done multiple sun dances, pray and pray for sun, but alas, nothing but rain.
C'MON SUN. I know your up there, blazing away on the other side of all these clouds.. SHOW YOURSELF DAMMIT...
anyway,lol

HI there Sprinkl, glad you found a strain that will give you success. I know how much of a problem PM is for people. We have to deal with that, as well as downey mildew and botrytis. Its the trifecta of fucktardness.

 

[sprinkl]

Hm that's crazy bad weather indeed What kind of soil is your plant in? The roots must be soaked and drowning constantly if the soil is holding any water, greatly increasing chance of diseases... Looks to me like sand/perlite/rocks anything that doesn't hold water would be best. Mixed with some chemical or organical fertilizer pellets, as the nutrients would get flushed out constantly. Then later you can add more on top. As far as no sun though, I dunno!

 

[JOJO420]

The plant is in a 50 gallon woven growbag. It comes with a sewn in cover and drawstring. Keeps the rain off them pretty good. I even know how to fold the cover slightly so the rain will run into the bag if I want it to, its like a drip system from God,lol..
I used a mix of FFOF and Coco. Used both bagged coco and coco croutons. I put some Happy Frog Fruit and Flower, azomite, oyster shell flour and 8-8-8 complehumus in there also. I put her in a 7 gallon first, then into the 50 around middle of June. I wish I had put her into one of the Bigger 100-200 gallons that I have, she would be absolutely HUGE..
Yeah Sprinkl, the no sun is tough, but this babe is hanging ten. I went out today, and somehow the buds have doubled in thickness. I swear she opened up, let the heavy rains wash through and closed back up today in the light rain. It has rained most all day and night for 4 days straight now. No sun since last saturday
In this case, I believe this plant will finish with no mold or next to no mold. The old presex calyxes have turned black, and then they fall off, no mold. I have looked this plant over, found a couple caterpillars embedded in nice sized buds, no mold. I mean shit galore and half the bud is chewed to hell, no mold. Lets hope she stays this way.

 

[Chamba]

According to the National Weather Service we had 1 official sunny day in Sept, 3 in Aug and 4 in July.. Thats 7 days of sunny weather in 3 months.. How da hell am I supposed to have any success with shitty weather like this?? I looked it up, and my plants have been under 65 inches of rain since she sexed. Thats 65 inches of rain so far in bloom, and she has a month to go. I bet this plant gets close to 90 inches before she is done Most people cannot even comprehend that much rain, let alone bloom a plant in it.

"How da hell am I supposed to have any success with shitty weather like this??"

The short answer is you can't, no one could. In bad seasons, even Thai's can mold.

I've grown outdoors where the rain is measured in feet per day too, I've had lots of weekends over the years where a yard/metre of rain fell, so I know it's challenging, but as you know, it's all about timing and strains........I find the Spring plantings and Fall harvests to be heart breaking most years around here, as the plants are biggest and the mold losses are usually devastating, (I don't even bother trying to grow in the traditional grow season now days due to borer bugs, mites, grubs and tropical storms and yet in some years there are months at a time without rain) and best growing seasons in the semi~heavy rainfall tropical locales are the Fall plantings and early Spring harvests or Winter plantings and late Spring harvest as usually (in my area which is on the exact same latitude as HI) the rain is light when it does there's usually enough sun and the insects that cause damage are not around. If you are growing long season sativas that take half the year to finish flowering, time them so they will finish in February to April .If I was you, I'd be germinating lots of different seed strains right now under 18 hours of light and when they are 1 ~ 3 feet tall, plant them out in the bush in prepared plots.

The other thing to note is that each season is different, one year might be nothing but torrential rain and the next relatively dry, so I usually plant everything from fat Dutchies to African/Asian equatorial strains, hope for the best so at least I know I'll get some smoke.

chances are you will have some a month or two of relatively dry weather coming your way, I'm crossing my fingers for you!

Of course, closely monitor each plant each very carefully each day for signs of mold, I find that if mold is happening in/on the larger buds, I will cut these buds off and try to save as much as I can.......but if there's going to be lots more rain, I will cut all the large to medium sized buds off

 

[JOJO420]

All very good advice, and spot on Chamba. Thanks for the input.

I also find that fall to spring is a good season. This year it looks like I will be moving this fall, and might not have access to a proper space.I'm torn about starting seeds because I dont wanna waste these prized seeds in a clusterfuck with moving. I gotta make up my mind quick..

Went out to the green house today and noticed that all my Adubbs and SpicyThai plants are turning yellow.Even the Sativa clones I have, the mom is outside and a little yellow, but her clones are straight pale yellow They got put out last Saturday at which time the sun was shining. They started their stretch and that night started torrential down pours, we have not seen the sun since..
I gotta pull em back into the rooms during the day or I'm gonna lose this round..
The big girls in the yard are hangin tough though. They seem to be budding regardless.
The Rajasthan Sativa (I spelled it right this time) does this funny thing where she goes through a flush of new bud growth, seems to tighten up and get more crystals, then does the opposite. She stretches the bud, opens it up and gets airy. It looks like swag weed one day, then I go out and see the potential. I have never had a plant do this at the consitant rate this plant does. It's as if she is drying out her buds, refusing to let mold and water take hold down deep in the buds. I feel like I should spray her with Greencure, but she is so wet, and ts raining so much I don't think it will do any good.
At this point I can HIGHLY recommend looking into North Indian Landrace Sativas if you want an original and highly mold proof experience. I will be shocked if I lose this plant to mold. She has gone through 72" of rain in bloom cycle and not one lost bud to mold yet. I expect another 15-20" before she is done based on weather reports and how this year has gone.

 

[Chamba]

All very good advice, and spot on Chamba. Thanks for the input.

I should of added that the post was mostly for those who are new to high rainfall, high humidity growing, not specifically for you as you obviously know what you're doing

 

[bodymind]

I'm just amazed with your thread and trials and errors. There is such good info here, and i love you describe the way the indian saliva "dries" out her buds...