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there has been information released through the investigation that buy money was fronted through agents and the taxpayer did pay for the ENTIRE operation...
just sayin!
TT
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MMJ Patients cant buy or own guns.
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there has been information released through the investigation that buy money was fronted through agents and the taxpayer did pay for the ENTIRE operation...
just sayin!
TT
this only affects the idiots who try to use their state issued medical cards..
first of all......i have a docters rec that simply says i "benefit" from using cannabis...doesnt say im actually using it...
second.....doc recs are confidential and not released....if you went and actually registered after getting your rec....good luck you made a big mistake..
third....i already have almost every gun i want stashed away, i have bought at least 5 guns legally after i got my docters rec, the feds never denied my application as recently as 2 months ago..and we got people everywhere who can get firearms without legal avenues...if they make stupid laws they will just be broken...
fourth......just answer NO on the form, and dont mention medical cannabis or use your MMJ ID as second proof of residence!
if the bitch ass feds ever come for my guns....its "sorry i lost them all in a tragic boating accident they all fell overboard into clear lake..."
first of all......i have a docters rec that simply says i "benefit" from using cannabis...doesnt say im actually using it...
second.....doc recs are confidential and not released....if you went and actually registered after getting your rec....good luck you made a big mistake..
third....i already have almost every gun i want stashed away, i have bought at least 5 guns legally after i got my docters rec, the feds never denied my application as recently as 2 months ago..and we got people everywhere who can get firearms without legal avenues...if they make stupid laws they will just be broken...
fourth......just answer NO on the form, and dont mention medical cannabis or use your MMJ ID as second proof of residence!
if the bitch ass feds ever come for my guns....its "sorry i lost them all in a tragic boating accident they all fell overboard into clear lake..."
EVERY ONE WRITE A LETTER TO THE NRA, AND GUN PUBLICATIONS.
INFORM THE GUN LOBBY!!!!!!!
EVERYONE GO NOW! DO IT! GET TO DA CHOPPA
INFORM THE GUN LOBBY!!!!!!!
EVERYONE GO NOW! DO IT! GET TO DA CHOPPA
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NRA Blog
NRA Blog
So far the NRA is not commenting on this issue..but I posted here on the Facebook NRA Blog it would be nice to see some peeps there..DD
NRA Blog
So far the NRA is not commenting on this issue..but I posted here on the Facebook NRA Blog it would be nice to see some peeps there..DD
I have written letters to the NRA and multiple gun publications, and will continue to do so until I get a response.
I suggest contact your local fox news station, and start going off about a second amendment violation. I hate fox news but they are loud.
I suggest contact your local fox news station, and start going off about a second amendment violation. I hate fox news but they are loud.
So basically they are telling me, a non felon, tax paying citizen of this country that I can't have a gun because I have a state mmj card? What was that about prying from cold dead hands...What was it Yassir Arafat said
"In one hand I hold a rifle, in the other hand an olive branch, please do not make me drop the branch to fire the rifle"
In our case its a marijuana branch but still dont make drop it to protect myself from my own govt...and I will. I have every right as an American to have a firearm to protect myself just like the next john smith.
I like what yestoprop said hehe
"Sorry officer, I lost all my guns in a terrible excavation accident..."
"In one hand I hold a rifle, in the other hand an olive branch, please do not make me drop the branch to fire the rifle"
In our case its a marijuana branch but still dont make drop it to protect myself from my own govt...and I will. I have every right as an American to have a firearm to protect myself just like the next john smith.
I like what yestoprop said hehe
"Sorry officer, I lost all my guns in a terrible excavation accident..."
depends on your state...
recs dont cut it in some states
dont follow this advice...
i watched my brother do 5 calendar in the fed @ yazoo for checking the wrong box.
he never even received a firearm!!!
picked him up 5 years later on some unrelated shit and had a federal o.t.t.i.c.
This reminds me...
I need to clean and lube my girl...!
Ojo
I need to clean and lube my girl...!
Ojo
even my R.N. mother who is not well read on our cause realized that this is too far and tyrannical. It made her angry to hear.
S.L.A.P..........anyone who has experience killing other people for this totally fucked government knows what i mean.
Baron Ambrosia
Member
I would very much like to see this thread stay ON TOPIC and not become a debate or heated arguement about politics and such. Please, take any debate or angry opinions to PM! Thanks.
I know there are many hunters/sportsman out there amongst this massive community, so I felt as though it was important to post this in the proper place and hopefully get more people conscious as to what is going on, and to clarify it to the people who are not.
@ ozman - This isn't something being debated. It's already been done and is in full swing. That memo was sent out to every FFL. Unfortunately, any gun store you frequent has already received the memo. Fortunately, I don't think we'll see ATF piss tests anytime soon. (hopefully. tin foil hat area! lol.)
Answering "No" on Form 4473 11.e by an MMJ patient is a violation of federal law, punishable by up to 5 years in prison. However, the HIPAA laws protect the rights of said patients.
I'm very curious as to see what people will do here.
Break a federal law by lying? (Which you already are, if you legally own firearms and use cannabis)
Or give up your 2nd Amendment right as an American citizen, because of your status as a patient?
I know there are many hunters/sportsman out there amongst this massive community, so I felt as though it was important to post this in the proper place and hopefully get more people conscious as to what is going on, and to clarify it to the people who are not.
@ ozman - This isn't something being debated. It's already been done and is in full swing. That memo was sent out to every FFL. Unfortunately, any gun store you frequent has already received the memo. Fortunately, I don't think we'll see ATF piss tests anytime soon. (hopefully. tin foil hat area! lol.)
Answering "No" on Form 4473 11.e by an MMJ patient is a violation of federal law, punishable by up to 5 years in prison. However, the HIPAA laws protect the rights of said patients.
I'm very curious as to see what people will do here.
Break a federal law by lying? (Which you already are, if you legally own firearms and use cannabis)
Or give up your 2nd Amendment right as an American citizen, because of your status as a patient?
please elaborate...the DOJ actually came after him for perjury. he must have been into some serious shit to have this happen...
so he tried to purchase a firearm legally..checked NO...they denied him AND arrested and charged him??
Delegation Blasts Federal Gun-Marijuana Memo
By Charles S. Johnson, Gazette State Bureau
Source: Billings Gazette
medical Billings, MT -- Members of Montana’s congressional delegation have denounced a recent memo from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that says it’s illegal for licensed medical marijuana cardholders to own or possess firearms or ammunition.
Montanans voted in 2004 to legalize the use of marijuana for certain medicinal purposes. As of Aug. 31, the state had 26,492 medical marijuana cardholders.
Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, in a letter Wednesday to Attorney General Eric Holder and the memo’s author, Arthur Herbert, assistant director of federal bureau, urged them to “immediately reconsider this misguided effort.”
He was referring to Herbert’s Sept. 21 memo clarifying that it’s illegal for a medical marijuana cardholder to buy, use or possess firearms and ammunition and illegal for dealers to sell these products to them.
“These regulatory changes infringe upon the privacy and Second Amendment rights of Montanans while placing an unreasonable burden upon the small-business owners who sell firearms and ammunition,” Tester said.
He added, “It is unacceptable that law-abiding citizens would be stripped of their Second Amendment rights simply because they hold a state-issued card authorizing the possession and use of marijuana for medicinal purposes.”
Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg, through spokesman Jed Link, also criticized the policy and went on to condemn the Obama administration.
“Between the ATF clamping down on gun rights and two new anti-gun Supreme Court justices, Montanans’ Second Amendment rights are once again under fire from Washington,” Link said Thursday. “Denny’s going to keep fighting to protect this critical right from Washington overreach, whether it is legislative, executive or judicial.”
Democratic Sen. Max Baucus also condemned the federal government memo.
“Our Second Amendment rights are a part of who we are as Montanans, and I’ve always fought hard to protect our right to bear arms,” Baucus said.
“I’m concerned to hear ATF may be impeding the rights of law-abiding folks. Individual gun rights must be protected and I’ll never stop fighting to make sure they stay intact.”
A recently formed group asked delegation members Thursday to introduce legislation to exempt medical marijuana from federal law enforcement in states that have legalized medical pot or are considering it.
The Montana Coalition for Rights also wants the legislation to respect the sovereignty of states when it comes to medical marijuana laws. Montana and 15 other states and the District of Columbia have legalized the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes.
“We are hoping to encourage Montana’s senators and congressman to stand up for Montana and enact some legislation that will give federal agencies clear guidance on respect to states’ sovereignty and the will of the voters in states that have enacted medical cannabis laws,” said Nathan Pierce of Missoula, a founder and board member of the group.
The group, formed about three months ago, announced a proposed ballot measure to amend the Montana Constitution to protect voter-passed ballot measures from being amended by the Legislature.
It would stipulate if the Legislature made any changes to voter-passed measures, they would have to be sent back to voters for their approval or rejection.
The group asked the members of Montana’s congressional delegation to respond by Oct. 5 whether they will sponsor the requested legislation.
By Charles S. Johnson, Gazette State Bureau
Source: Billings Gazette
medical Billings, MT -- Members of Montana’s congressional delegation have denounced a recent memo from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that says it’s illegal for licensed medical marijuana cardholders to own or possess firearms or ammunition.
Montanans voted in 2004 to legalize the use of marijuana for certain medicinal purposes. As of Aug. 31, the state had 26,492 medical marijuana cardholders.
Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, in a letter Wednesday to Attorney General Eric Holder and the memo’s author, Arthur Herbert, assistant director of federal bureau, urged them to “immediately reconsider this misguided effort.”
He was referring to Herbert’s Sept. 21 memo clarifying that it’s illegal for a medical marijuana cardholder to buy, use or possess firearms and ammunition and illegal for dealers to sell these products to them.
“These regulatory changes infringe upon the privacy and Second Amendment rights of Montanans while placing an unreasonable burden upon the small-business owners who sell firearms and ammunition,” Tester said.
He added, “It is unacceptable that law-abiding citizens would be stripped of their Second Amendment rights simply because they hold a state-issued card authorizing the possession and use of marijuana for medicinal purposes.”
Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg, through spokesman Jed Link, also criticized the policy and went on to condemn the Obama administration.
“Between the ATF clamping down on gun rights and two new anti-gun Supreme Court justices, Montanans’ Second Amendment rights are once again under fire from Washington,” Link said Thursday. “Denny’s going to keep fighting to protect this critical right from Washington overreach, whether it is legislative, executive or judicial.”
Democratic Sen. Max Baucus also condemned the federal government memo.
“Our Second Amendment rights are a part of who we are as Montanans, and I’ve always fought hard to protect our right to bear arms,” Baucus said.
“I’m concerned to hear ATF may be impeding the rights of law-abiding folks. Individual gun rights must be protected and I’ll never stop fighting to make sure they stay intact.”
A recently formed group asked delegation members Thursday to introduce legislation to exempt medical marijuana from federal law enforcement in states that have legalized medical pot or are considering it.
The Montana Coalition for Rights also wants the legislation to respect the sovereignty of states when it comes to medical marijuana laws. Montana and 15 other states and the District of Columbia have legalized the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes.
“We are hoping to encourage Montana’s senators and congressman to stand up for Montana and enact some legislation that will give federal agencies clear guidance on respect to states’ sovereignty and the will of the voters in states that have enacted medical cannabis laws,” said Nathan Pierce of Missoula, a founder and board member of the group.
The group, formed about three months ago, announced a proposed ballot measure to amend the Montana Constitution to protect voter-passed ballot measures from being amended by the Legislature.
It would stipulate if the Legislature made any changes to voter-passed measures, they would have to be sent back to voters for their approval or rejection.
The group asked the members of Montana’s congressional delegation to respond by Oct. 5 whether they will sponsor the requested legislation.
Source: Mail Tribune, The (Medford, OR)
Author: Damian Mann, Mail Tribune
LICENSED AND LEGAL ... FOR NOW
Jackson County Handgun Licenses Could Hit All-Time High This Year
A wallet containing both a medical marijuana card and a concealed handgun license is no longer a pipe dream for Medford resident Julie Jankowski.
Thanks to an Oregon Supreme Court ruling in May, Jankowski and other medical marijuana patients can obtain a concealed handgun license in Jackson County.
"I feel I have every right to use my medicine," Jankowski said. "I have every right to have a concealed handgun license."
Within weeks after the ruling, Jankowski headed down to the Sheriff's Department in downtown Medford and applied for her permit, receiving it on Aug. 26.
She said she wasn't asked many questions about her medical marijuana use, adding that she was treated fairly. Jankowski said she was ready to tell sheriff's officials anything they wanted to know.
"I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong," she said.
Andrea Carlson, spokeswoman for the sheriff, said more residents are admitting they use medical marijuana on the forms since the ruling.
The number of handgun license renewals has jumped markedly this year, but the number of new licenses issued is actually on par with last year, she said.
If current trends continue, 2011 could top the all-time high, reached in 2009, for the total number of renewals and new licenses.
From Jan. 1 to Aug. 31, 689 new licenses were issued and 1,417 licenses were renewed, for a total of 2,106. For the same period in 2010, 631 new licenses and 1,024 renewals were recorded, for a total of 1,655.
After the May Supreme Court ruling, the trend toward a greater number of renewals continued, but the number of new licenses issued stayed about the same.
From May 1 to Aug. 31, 265 new licenses and 738 renewals were issued, for a total of 1,003. For the same period in 2010, 266 new licenses and 525 renewals were issued, for a total of 791.
"We were down slightly for new licenses and up for renewals," Carlson said.
Statistics weren't readily available for how many residents had indicated they used medical marijuana on the forms, she said.
The record for most renewals and new licenses issued in Jackson County - - 2,534 - was set in 2009, spurred by fears that the Obama administration might pass stricter gun-control laws.
The issue of providing concealed handgun licenses to medical marijuana users came up in 2008 when Sheriff Mike Winters denied Gold Hill resident Cynthia Willis a concealed handgun license. The sheriff cited the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968, which prohibits anyone who uses or is addicted to a controlled substance from having a firearm.
Willis, who uses cannabis for muscle spasms and arthritis pain, admitted to using medical marijuana when she filed her application with the sheriff for a concealed handgun license.
Willis won every legal battle against Winters both in Jackson County Circuit Court and the Oregon Court of Appeals. After losing the Court of Appeals case, Winters granted Willis a concealed handgun license while he pursued the appeal to the state Supreme Court.
Winters has appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which hasn't yet indicated whether it will hear the case. If Winters wins his appeal, the licenses could be revoked.
Statewide, almost 50,000 people have Oregon Medical Marijuana Program cards. Jackson County has 6,133 cardholders, the second-highest in the state after Multnomah County, with 8,512. Based on these statistics, one in every 33 Jackson County residents uses medical marijuana, compared with one in every 85 in Multnomah.
Dan Thornton, manager for Good Guys Guns in Medford, said he hasn't seen any spike in people taking gun classes since the Supreme Court ruling, but he didn't expect a spike anyway, he said, because people could have taken the class some time ago.
In addition, gun sales have been slow, Thornton said. "Money's tight."
Jankowski said she wanted to take the class to familiarize herself with her gun and to determine the best way to keep it secure.
Her Walther P-22 is safely locked in a case, and she went through the additional precaution of putting a trigger lock on it because she has three daughters.
"It's in the house, so it's got to be secured," she said. "I take very good care of my children. My 17-year-old is on the honor roll."
Jankowski, who smokes through a vaporizer, said she started using medical marijuana after traditional prescription drugs failed to alleviate the symptoms associated with trigeminal neuralgia, which has caused month-long headaches and sharp pains. She was once hospitalized for four days because of complications from the neuralgia, she said.
Even 10 years ago, Jankowski wouldn't have considered alternative treatments. "It wasn't appealing to me to smoke marijuana at the time," she said.
Having a concealed weapon has been on Jankowski's mind for personal security reasons for some time.
A singer with Stereotyped Blackgrass Band, Jankowski said she firmly believes in taking advantage of any rights that are available to her.
"I'm not ashamed of anything I do," she said.
Author: Damian Mann, Mail Tribune
LICENSED AND LEGAL ... FOR NOW
Jackson County Handgun Licenses Could Hit All-Time High This Year
A wallet containing both a medical marijuana card and a concealed handgun license is no longer a pipe dream for Medford resident Julie Jankowski.
Thanks to an Oregon Supreme Court ruling in May, Jankowski and other medical marijuana patients can obtain a concealed handgun license in Jackson County.
"I feel I have every right to use my medicine," Jankowski said. "I have every right to have a concealed handgun license."
Within weeks after the ruling, Jankowski headed down to the Sheriff's Department in downtown Medford and applied for her permit, receiving it on Aug. 26.
She said she wasn't asked many questions about her medical marijuana use, adding that she was treated fairly. Jankowski said she was ready to tell sheriff's officials anything they wanted to know.
"I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong," she said.
Andrea Carlson, spokeswoman for the sheriff, said more residents are admitting they use medical marijuana on the forms since the ruling.
The number of handgun license renewals has jumped markedly this year, but the number of new licenses issued is actually on par with last year, she said.
If current trends continue, 2011 could top the all-time high, reached in 2009, for the total number of renewals and new licenses.
From Jan. 1 to Aug. 31, 689 new licenses were issued and 1,417 licenses were renewed, for a total of 2,106. For the same period in 2010, 631 new licenses and 1,024 renewals were recorded, for a total of 1,655.
After the May Supreme Court ruling, the trend toward a greater number of renewals continued, but the number of new licenses issued stayed about the same.
From May 1 to Aug. 31, 265 new licenses and 738 renewals were issued, for a total of 1,003. For the same period in 2010, 266 new licenses and 525 renewals were issued, for a total of 791.
"We were down slightly for new licenses and up for renewals," Carlson said.
Statistics weren't readily available for how many residents had indicated they used medical marijuana on the forms, she said.
The record for most renewals and new licenses issued in Jackson County - - 2,534 - was set in 2009, spurred by fears that the Obama administration might pass stricter gun-control laws.
The issue of providing concealed handgun licenses to medical marijuana users came up in 2008 when Sheriff Mike Winters denied Gold Hill resident Cynthia Willis a concealed handgun license. The sheriff cited the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968, which prohibits anyone who uses or is addicted to a controlled substance from having a firearm.
Willis, who uses cannabis for muscle spasms and arthritis pain, admitted to using medical marijuana when she filed her application with the sheriff for a concealed handgun license.
Willis won every legal battle against Winters both in Jackson County Circuit Court and the Oregon Court of Appeals. After losing the Court of Appeals case, Winters granted Willis a concealed handgun license while he pursued the appeal to the state Supreme Court.
Winters has appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which hasn't yet indicated whether it will hear the case. If Winters wins his appeal, the licenses could be revoked.
Statewide, almost 50,000 people have Oregon Medical Marijuana Program cards. Jackson County has 6,133 cardholders, the second-highest in the state after Multnomah County, with 8,512. Based on these statistics, one in every 33 Jackson County residents uses medical marijuana, compared with one in every 85 in Multnomah.
Dan Thornton, manager for Good Guys Guns in Medford, said he hasn't seen any spike in people taking gun classes since the Supreme Court ruling, but he didn't expect a spike anyway, he said, because people could have taken the class some time ago.
In addition, gun sales have been slow, Thornton said. "Money's tight."
Jankowski said she wanted to take the class to familiarize herself with her gun and to determine the best way to keep it secure.
Her Walther P-22 is safely locked in a case, and she went through the additional precaution of putting a trigger lock on it because she has three daughters.
"It's in the house, so it's got to be secured," she said. "I take very good care of my children. My 17-year-old is on the honor roll."
Jankowski, who smokes through a vaporizer, said she started using medical marijuana after traditional prescription drugs failed to alleviate the symptoms associated with trigeminal neuralgia, which has caused month-long headaches and sharp pains. She was once hospitalized for four days because of complications from the neuralgia, she said.
Even 10 years ago, Jankowski wouldn't have considered alternative treatments. "It wasn't appealing to me to smoke marijuana at the time," she said.
Having a concealed weapon has been on Jankowski's mind for personal security reasons for some time.
A singer with Stereotyped Blackgrass Band, Jankowski said she firmly believes in taking advantage of any rights that are available to her.
"I'm not ashamed of anything I do," she said.
Not sure why this is such a shock. They're enforcing federal law that has been in place for decades. All of you gun owners (myself included) broke the law when you signed the form to get your license and asserted that you do not use illegal drugs of any kind. That's the bottom line. Yes, it sucks, no, I don't agree with it since the requirements for a firearm license do not preclude applicants from drinking liquor, but them's the breaks. Just playing devil's advocate here, don't shoot the messenger.
^^^ yeah man.
to hell with bitching and moaning that the elite don't make the particular small concession that you wish they would.
the law is a fucking farce.
you want rights?
make your own.
direct action gets satisfaction.
You don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff? Laughable, man - ha ha!
to hell with bitching and moaning that the elite don't make the particular small concession that you wish they would.
the law is a fucking farce.
you want rights?
make your own.
direct action gets satisfaction.
You don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff? Laughable, man - ha ha!
well they dont want me growing weed either. tooo late bitches. i expected this kind of shit 15 years ago and prepared. ha ha ha kiss my ass
Baron Ambrosia
Member
Dagnabit, please elaborate? I'd just like to hear more backstory on what exactly happened to your brother.
