milk makes your bones strong... fact or myth?

[bobblehead]

I'm opening this thread to start a healthy debate and to avoid hijacking the gg4 thread. I'm not ready to contribute with peer reviewed journal articles just yet as I'm very occupied preparing for a final exam that has a serious impact on my future.... but here's a few thoughts....


The type of milk is significant, as vit d plays a role in calcium absorption. Vitamin d is a lipid soluble vitamin, so fats are going to play a role. Exercise has an impact on Ca absorption. Just b/c Ca is pulled from the bones doesn't mean it isn't being reabsorbed and instead excreted from the body. I'll get deeper into this as time permits. For now, I'd like to see what HL45 has to contribute, or anyone else who's interested in the subject.

 

[Midnight Tokar]

There's not a thing that humans consume that if you want to find the "research" will be both good and bad for you. It just depends on who's agenda you happen to be reading/following at the time.

 

[bobblehead]

There's not a thing that humans consume that if you want to find the "research" will be both good and bad for you. It just depends on who's agenda you happen to be reading/following at the time.

I disagree. There's lots of things that are both good and bad for you. It's about moderation. K (POTASSIUM) for example is necessary for your heart to function, too much K will lead to arrhythmia and cardiac arrest.

More relevant to the topic, lipid soluble vitamins... vital for homeostasis, but can reach toxic levels whereas water solubles are just excreted in your urine.

 

[oneofus]

you are going to bring osteoclasts into this eventually...yes?

 

[m314]

I don't have the links handy at the moment, but I've seen several studies showing the effects of weight training on bone density and strength. Lift weights, and your bones will get stronger. Lift weights as you get older, and you'll maintain your bone density and strength into old age.

Diet is important, obviously. I don't remember reading studies about milk.

 

[Stoner4Life]

I'm experimenting right now, along with 3 Oreos.......

 

[m314]

I'm experimenting right now, along with 3 Oreos.......

I wish I was experimenting right now along with some Hershey's syrup. Only I'm out of milk and I'm too high to go to the store.

 

[stoned-trout]

I aint sure, but the cow is more filling... mooooo your steaks here...lol

 

[watts]

The pH of urine is not indicative of the body's pH. Many factors affect bone health, such as physical activity, genetics, diet, and weight.

Milk has a good balance of protein, potassium, calcium, and other nutrients, which is what is important.

 

[high life 45]

I am also in agreement that you can find information supporting or against anything these days.

One simple view is we are not baby cows and no longer are babies. I think that goats milk is much better for humans than cows milk. To clarify lets keep this thread about cows milk.

Milk and dairy actually ruined my childhood via asthma. By the time I was in third grade, I would have an asthmatic episode simply by drinking 1% or 2% milk. My mom had to buy me non fat milk. ( she shouldnt have been buying me milk at all. I was prescribed 2 different inhalers and a couple oral steroids for my asthma. I used to HATE taking the medications because it would make me feel very weak to the point that I could not even stand on my own two legs. I was very good at soccer and eventually couldnt keep up with being a forward, slowly making my way to fullback and stopper. Positions next to the goalie. This undoubtedly has a lot to due with my position of distrust and dislike towards the hospital industry in general. I know that many doctors are good hearted, but we all know how crooked it is based on the scheduling of marijuana alone. Interestingly enough, when I started smoking pot at age 15 my asthma went away. I also stopped drinking milk and started to do my own research into diet.
I will add that I love pizza, and pizza is like my heroin. I was not suprised when I found out dairy has "opioid peptides" in it.

The dairy industry is a multi billion dollar industry, unfortunately tied to the beef industry both of which are widely known for putting lots of nasties in their cows for various reasons. Nasties being antibiotics, growth hormones, pesticides, and herbicides (from the feed) etc.

Aside from the debate if dairy and beef are good for humans, we can also start another thread on dairy and beef and its effect on the planet.


The dairy industry spends millions on advertising, not sure I have ever seen an anti milk add, but we have all seen an add with some sort of icon or figure with a milk mustache "Got Milk?" If there was an anti dairy industry I think it would be spending under 100k, but that is all speculation.

The only folks I know who are spending money for anti milk purposes are "The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine." (PRCM)
Some folks that I think you would like Bobble.

" PCRM bases their ad campaign on the most complete and well-respected scientific study in American history; ongoing at Harvard University. Hundreds of publications in scientific journals have resulted from data gleaned from interviews and questionnaires completed by the study's participants. Diet records and health records are rigorously analyzed; obtained from 121,000+ female registered nurses in eleven states between the ages of 30 and 55. Nearly 78,000 nurses participated in the 12-year milk and bone fracture study. "




We could talk about organic milk, unfortunately that makes a small fraction of the milk consumed. Organic milk and dairy is hard to find in most places in America.

If the adds said "Got Organic Milk" I would still hold the same position.

Bottom line for me is that dark leafy greens and vegetables in general are good sources of calcium... Milk is not.

Besides your bones, bovine mucous is not good for your body in general. We are not baby cows, and we are not babies anymore, milk is for babies. Thats why mothers produce it when they have babies.

Ill try to keep it to information from doctors and not environmentalist quacks....another seemingly unrelated thought that I find funny is that my Brazilian and European friends always tell me that America is the only place where the homeless are obese.

The best place to get vitamin d is from the sun imo. To much vitamin D can be a bad thing. Mushrooms are a good source of vitamin D

"In order to absorb calcium, the body needs comparable amounts of another mineral element, magnesium. Milk and dairy products contain only small amounts of magnesium. Without the presence of magnesium, the body only absorbs 25 percent of the available dairy calcium content. The remainder of the calcium spells trouble. Without magnesium, excess calcium is utilized by the body in injurious ways. The body uses calcium to build the mortar on arterial walls which becomes atherosclerotic plaques. Excess calcium is converted by the kidneys into painful stones which grow in size like pearls in oysters, blocking our urinary tracts. Excess calcium contributes to arthritis; painful calcium buildup often is manifested as gout. The USDA has formulated a chart of recommended daily intakes of vitamins and minerals. The term that FDA uses is Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA). The RDA for calcium is 1500 mg. The RDA for magnesium is 750 mg. "




Here are some quotes with sources.


" A study published in the January, 2001 edition of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition examined the diets of 1,035 women, particularly focusing on the protein intake from animal and vegetable products. Deborah Sellmeyer, M.D., found:

ANIMAL PROTEIN INCREASES BONE LOSS

In her study, women with a high animal-to-vegetable protein ratio experienced an increased rate of femoral neck bone loss. A high animal-to-vegetable protein ratio was also associated with an increased risk of hip fracture.

WHY DOES ANIMAL PROTEIN CAUSE BONE LOSS?

I spoke with Dr. Sellmeyer, and here is her explaination:

"Sulphur-containing amino acids in protein-containing foods are metabolized to sulfuric acid. Animal foods provide predominantly acid precursors. Acidosis stimulates osteoclastic activity and inhibits osteoblast activity."

MEAT EATERS HAVE MORE HIP FRACTURES

Sellmeyer's remarkable publication reveals:

"Women with high animal-to-vegetable protein rations were heavier and had higher intake of total protein. These women had a significantly increased rate of bone loss than those who ate just vegetable protein. Women consuming higher rates of animal protein had higher rates of bone loss and hip fracture by a factor of four times."

Milk has been called "liquid meat." The average American eats five ounces of animal protein each day in the form of red meat and chicken. At the same time, the average American consumes nearly six times that amount (29.2 ounces) per day of milk and dairy products.

Deborah Sellmeyer's brilliant work is supported by a grant from the National Institutes of Health.

Dr. Sellmeyer may be reached by EMAIL: [email protected]



"Eighteen breast milk and 17 formula-fed infants,
ages 2 to 5 months were studied. The serum 25-hydroxy
vitamin D (Vitamin D) level was significantly lower
in breast-milk than formula-fed infants but bone
mineral content was not different. This demonstrates
adequate mineral absorption occurs from a predominantly
vitamin D-free transport mechanism."

Journal of Pediatrics, 1998 Apr, 132:4

"Consuming as little as 45 micrograms of Vitamin D-3
in young children has resulted in signs of overdose."
(one quart of milk contains 400 IU, or 10 micrograms).
Pediatrics, 1963; 31

"Testing of 42 milk samples found only 12% within the
expected range of Vitamin D content. Testing of 10
samples of infant formula revealed seven with more
that twice the Vitamin D content reported on the label,
one of which had more than four times the label amount.
Vitamin D is toxic in overdose."
New England Journal of Medicine, 1992, 326



“Monsanto’s Hormonal Milk Poses Serious Risks of Breast Cancer, Besides Other Cancers” (http://www.preventcancer.com/press/releases/july8_98.htm, June 21, 1998) Dr. Epstein concludes that: “Drinking rBGH milk would thus be expected to significantly increase IGF-1 blood levels and consequently to increase risks of developing breast cancer and promoting its invasiveness.”

"Vitamin D increases aluminum absorption, and
high aluminum levels in the body may cause an
Alzheimer's-like disease." Canadian Medical Association Journal 1992 147(9)


"It has since been discovered that the Vitamin D
necessary to absorb the calcium moving down the
intestine must already have been in the bloodstream
for a while; what is present with that calcium (in
milk) is useless at that stage. Vitamin D is part
of the mechanism to break bone down so that it can
then stretch and grow. Thus an overdose of D can
eventually lead to osteoporosis."
Vegetarian and Vegan Nutrition,
by George Eisman, M.A., M.Sc., R.D.

 

[high life 45]

In general I cant think of any moneyed interest in the anti dairy movement, I have found some online books for sale obviously geared towards older women with osteoporosis concerns, but nearly all the information you need is available for free and the good source for your calcium is plant based imo.

From the PCRM website. This covers most aspects of it.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products


Health Concerns about Dairy Products

Many Americans, including some vegetarians, still consume substantial amounts of dairy products—and government policies still promote them—despite scientific evidence that questions their health benefits and indicates their potential health risks.

Bone Health

Calcium is an important mineral that helps to keep bones strong. Our bones are constantly remodeling, meaning the body takes small amounts of calcium from the bones and replaces it with new calcium. Therefore, it is essential to have enough calcium so that the body doesn’t decrease bone density in this remodeling process. Though calcium is necessary for ensuring bone health, the actual benefits of calcium intake do not exist after consumption passes a certain threshold. Consuming more than approximately 600 milligrams per day—easily achieved without dairy products or calcium supplements—does not improve bone integrity.1

Clinical research shows that dairy products have little or no benefit for bones. A 2005 review published in Pediatrics showed that milk consumption does not improve bone integrity in children.2 In a more recent study, researchers tracked the diets, physical activity, and stress fracture incidences of adolescent girls for seven years, and concluded that dairy products and calcium do not prevent stress fractures in adolescent girls.3 Similarly, the Harvard Nurses’ Health Study, which followed more than 72,000 women for 18 years, showed no protective effect of increased milk consumption on fracture risk.1

It is possible to decrease the risk of osteoporosis by reducing sodium intake in the diet,4,5 increasing intake of fruits and vegetables,5,6 and ensuring adequate calcium intake from plant foods such as kale, broccoli, and other leafy green vegetables and beans. You can also use calcium-fortified products such as breakfast cereals and juices. Soybeans and fortified orange juice are two examples of products which provide about the same amount of calcium per serving as milk or other dairy products.7

Exercise is one of the most effective ways to increase bone density and decrease the risk of osteoporosis,8,9 and its benefits have been observed in studies of both children and adults.8,10-11

Individuals often drink milk in order to obtain vitamin D in their diets, unaware that they can receive vitamin D through other sources. Without vitamin D, only 10-15 percent of dietary calcium is absorbed.12

The best natural source of vitamin D is sunlight. Five to 15 minutes of sun exposure to the arms and legs or the hands, face, and arms can be enough to meet the body’s requirements for vitamin D, depending on the individual’s skin tone.13 Darker skin requires longer exposure to the sun in order to obtain adequate levels of vitamin D. In colder climates during the winter months the sun may not be able to provide adequate vitamin D. During this time the diet must be able to provide vitamin D.

Few foods naturally contain vitamin D, and no dairy products naturally contain this vitamin. Therefore, fortified cereals, grains, bread, orange juice, and soy or rice milk exist as options for providing vitamin D through the diet.14 Supplements are also available.

Fat Content and Cardiovascular Disease

Dairy products—including cheese, ice cream, milk, butter, and yogurt—contribute significant amounts of cholesterol and saturated fat to the diet.15 Diets high in fat and especially in saturated fat can increase the risk of heart disease and can cause other serious health problems.

A low-fat, plant-based diet that eliminates dairy products, in combination with exercise, smoking cessation, and stress management, can not only prevent heart disease, but may also reverse it.16,17

Cancer

Consumption of dairy products has also been linked to higher risk for various cancers, especially to cancers of the reproductive system. Most significantly, dairy product consumption has been linked to increased risk for prostate18-20 and breast cancers.21

The danger of dairy product consumption as it relates to prostate and breast cancers is most likely related to increases in insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), which is found in cow’s milk.22 Consumption of milk and dairy products on a regular basis has been shown to increase circulating levels of IGF-1.23,24 Perhaps the most convincing association between IGF-1 levels and cancer risk is seen in studies of prostate cancer. Case-control studies in diverse populations have shown a strong and consistent association between serum IGF-1 concentrations and prostate cancer risk.25 One study showed that men with the highest levels of IGF-1 had more than four times the risk of prostate cancer, compared with those who had the lowest levels.26 In the Physicians Health Study, tracking 21,660 participants for 28 years, researchers found an increased risk of prostate cancer for those who consumed ≥2.5 servings of dairy products per day as compared with those who consumed ≤0.5 servings a day.19 This study, which is supported by other findings,27,28 also shows that prostate cancer risk was elevated with increased consumption of low-fat milk, suggesting that too much dairy calcium, and not just the fat associated with dairy products, could be a potential threat to prostate health.

In addition to increased levels of IGF-1, estrogen metabolites are considered risk factors for cancers of the reproductive system, including cancers of the breasts, ovaries, and prostate. These metabolites can affect cellular proliferation such that cells grow rapidly and aberrantly,29 which can lead to cancer growth. Consumption of milk and dairy products contributes to the majority (60-70 percent) of estrogen intake in the human diet.

In a large study including 1,893 women from the Life After Cancer Epidemiology Study who had been diagnosed with early-stage invasive breast cancer, higher amounts of high-fat dairy product consumption were associated with higher mortality rates. As little as 0.5 servings a day increased risk significantly. This is probably due to the fact that estrogenic hormones reside primarily in fat, making the concern most pronounced for consumption of high-fat dairy products.

The consumption of dairy products may also contribute to development of ovarian cancer. The relation between dairy products and ovarian cancer may be caused by the breakdown of the milk sugar lactose into galactose, a sugar which may be toxic to ovarian cells.30 In a study conducted in Sweden, consumption of lactose and dairy products was positively linked to ovarian cancer.31 A similar study, the Iowa Women’s Health Study, found that women who consumed more than one glass of milk per day had a 73 percent greater chance of developing ovarian cancer than women who drank less than one glass per day.32

Lactose Intolerance

Lactose intolerance is common among many populations, affecting approximately 95 percent of Asian-Americans, 74 percent of Native Americans, 70 percent of African-Americans, 53 percent of Mexican-Americans, and 15 percent of Caucasians.33 Symptoms, which include gastrointestinal distress, diarrhea, and flatulence, occur because these individuals do not have the enzyme lactase to digest the milk sugar lactose. When digested, the breakdown products of lactose are two simple sugars: glucose and galactose. Nursing children have active enzymes that break down galactose, but as we age, many of us lose much of this capacity.34 Due to the common nature of this condition, and in order to avoid these uncomfortable side effects, milk consumption is not recommended.

Contaminants

Milk contains contaminants that range from hormones to pesticides. Milk naturally contains hormones and growth factors produced within a cow’s body. In addition, synthetic hormones such as recombinant bovine growth hormone are commonly used in cows to increase the production of milk.35 Once introduced into the human body, these hormones may affect normal hormonal function.

When treating cows for conditions such as mastitis, or inflammation, of the mammary glands, antibiotics are used, and traces of these antibiotics have occasionally been found in samples of milk and dairy products. This treatment is used frequently, because mastitis is a very common condition in cows, due to dairy product practices which have cows producing more milk than nature intended.

Pesticides, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), and dioxins are other examples of contaminants found in milk. Dairy products contribute to one-fourth to one-half of the dietary intake of total dioxins.36 All of these toxins do not readily leave the body and can eventually build to harmful levels that may affect the immune, reproductive, and the central nervous systems. Moreover, PCBs and dioxins have also been linked to cancer.37

Other contaminants often introduced during processing of milk products include melamine, often found in plastics, which negatively affects the kidneys and urinary tract due to their high nitrogen content,38 and carcinogenic toxins including aflatoxins. These are additionally dangerous because they are not destroyed in pasteurization.39

Milk Proteins and Diabetes

Insulin-dependent (type 1 or childhood-onset) diabetes is linked to consumption of dairy products in infancy.40 A 2001 Finnish study of 3,000 infants with genetically increased risk for developing diabetes showed that early introduction of cow’s milk increased susceptibility to type 1 diabetes.41 In addition, the American Academy of Pediatrics observed up to a 30 percent reduction in the incidence of type 1 diabetes in infants who avoid exposure to cow’s milk protein for at least the first three months of their lives.42

Health Concerns for Children and Infants

Milk proteins, milk sugar, fat, and saturated fat in dairy products pose health risks for children and encourage the development of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. While low-fat milk is often recommended for decreasing obesity risk, a study published in the Archives of Disease in Childhood showed that children who drank 1 percent or skim milk, compared with those who drank full-fat milk, were not any less likely to be obese.43 Moreover, a current meta-analysis found no support for the argument that increasing dairy product intake will decrease body fat and weight over the long term (>1 year).44

For infants, the consumption of cow’s milk is not recommended. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that infants below 1 year of age not be given whole cow’s milk,45 as iron deficiency is more likely due to the low amount of iron found in cow’s milk as compared with human breast milk.46 Colic is an additional concern with milk consumption. Up to 28 percent of infants suffer from colic during the first month of life.47 Pediatricians learned long ago that cow’s milk was often the reason. We now know that breastfeeding mothers can have colicky babies if the mothers consume cow’s milk. The cow’s antibodies can pass through the mother’s bloodstream, into her breast milk, and to the baby.48,49

Additionally, food allergies appear to be common results of cow’s milk consumption, particularly in children.50,51 Cow’s milk consumption has also been linked to chronic constipation in children.52

Conclusions

Milk and dairy products are not necessary in the diet and can, in fact, be harmful to health. It is best to consume a healthful diet of grains, fruits, vegetables, legumes, and fortified foods including cereals and juices. These nutrient-dense foods can help you meet your calcium, potassium, riboflavin, and vitamin D requirements with ease—and without facing the health risks associated with dairy product consumption.

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[fulltimehuman]

here is a link to a great book about milk.
THE RAW TRUTH ABOUT MILK
The raw truth about homogenized, pasteurized milk is that it is a perverted form of what would otherwise be a wonderful natural food. It basically destroys the proteins of the natural milk and cause calcification
in the arteries, allergies as a previous poster stated and a whole host of other immune responses...in MOST people. Weston A Price foundation is a great place to source raw milk. Here in california there are two farms that supply fresh unpasteurized raw milk and that is the only milk I like. I mean I drink a squirt in my coffee of that poison they call milk as long as I don't mind another squirt a while later, another issue with pasteurized milk. It's a slow acting poison nothing less. You asked.

 

[fulltimehuman]

I'm opening this thread to start a healthy debate and to avoid hijacking the gg4 thread. I'm not ready to contribute with peer reviewed journal articles just yet as I'm very occupied preparing for a final exam that has a serious impact on my future.... but here's a few thoughts....


The type of milk is significant, as vit d plays a role in calcium absorption. Vitamin d is a lipid soluble vitamin, so fats are going to play a role. Exercise has an impact on Ca absorption. Just b/c Ca is pulled from the bones doesn't mean it isn't being reabsorbed and instead excreted from the body. I'll get deeper into this as time permits. For now, I'd like to see what HL45 has to contribute, or anyone else who's interested in the subject.

I think its quite obvious with all the old ladies falling down and shattering their hips that milk STRIPS CALCIUM from bones.I mean...at least all the old people I see walking around with canes etc. Not like the asian countries who use green veggies and seaweed to get their Calcium. They run circles around old milk-fed Americans....for the most part and of course by my limited observation.

 

[Guest]

I think we must identify if we are talking about unpasteurized milk. The debate changes considerably.

 

[watts]

Americans also lead a more sedentary lifestyle and have a poor diet, which leads to poor bone health. You can't blame milk. If you are allergic to milk, don't drink it. I agree , moderation is key otherwise.

 

[RetroGrow]

If you want stronger bones, and more calcium, one fairly new discovery is that melatonin, commonly used for a sleep aid, as it controls our circadian rhythm, plays an important role in strengthening and recalcifying bones.

"Melatonin, as an endogenous hormone, participates in many physiological and pharmacological processes. The above analyzed data indicate that melatonin may be involved in the development of the hard tissues bone and teeth. Decreased melatonin levels may be related to bone disease and abnormality. Due to its ability of regulating bone metabolism, enhancing bone formation, promoting osseointegration of dental plant and cell and tissue protection, melatonin may used as a novel mode of therapy for augmenting bone mass in bone diseases characterized by low bone mass and increased fragility, bone defect/fracture repair and dental implant surgery. The investigation of melatonin on tooth still insufficient and requires further research."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3676828/

"Melatonin also has regulatory actions on sexual activity and
development,immunomodulation,and cardiovascular functions;is a potent antioxidant;and has been suggested to possess antiagin and oncostatic properties. Melatonin also influences the release of growth hormone in the humanand corticosterone in the rat.
Hence, in addition to its role in processing of photoperiodic
information and regulation of various biological rhythms,
melatonin also may be involved in a wide range of physiological and pathological processes.
There is considerable interest in the potential role of melatonin in osteoporosis.
Accordingly, the secretion of melatonin declines progressively with increasing age and menopause is time-related with a substantial and sharp decrease in melatonin secretion and an associated increasein the rate of pineal calcification.
Because osteoporosis is uncommon among blacks, pineal calcification (which reflects the secretory activity of the gland) also is rare in the black population.
Melatonin secretion declines with immobilization (which causes loss of bone mass)but increases with physical exercise (which would increase bone
mass).
Ovariectomy leads to a significant increase in
melatonin secretion in rats, which was associated with a
large decrease in bone resorption biochemical markers and
a much smaller increase in bone formation biochemical markers.
A recent report also shows that obese women
(who have a low risk for osteoporosis) have a higher day-
time secretion of melatonin compared with non obese
women and that the melatonin level in the obese women is
associated with a reduction in serum bone turnover markers.
In addition, there is evidence that melatonin is an
important modulator of calcium and bone metabolism. For
instance, phototherapy, which reduced melatonin secretion,
caused hypocalcemia in newborn rats and this phototherapy-induced hypocalcemia was prevented com-
pletely by melatonin treatment."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1359/jbmr.2002.17.7.1219/pdf

There's much more on Google, if interested.

 

[oneofus]

please join in on the fun collective thought

please join in on the fun collective thought

someone (I don't know who...) posted this^^in my rep points so I will

iirc...Ca is normally removed from bone in one area of the body and moved to another as needed. Also, genetics plays a major role in who loses bone mass/density and how much and who does not. Not to mention the normal effects of age on bone density because of the drop-off of the ratio of osteoclasts to osteoblasts. Too many factors to say milk causes bone loss.

This really reminds me of the debate over ciggies. Too much inference, twisting of studies to suit personal agendas and beliefs and not enough facts. Let us see some FACTS. You know, the kind of facts that clearly demonstrate a cause-and-effect relationship that come from double-blind placebo-controlled studies of very large population groups from reputable scientists that have no personal agendas and are not funded by one side or the other. God, but this kind of factless conjecture irritates me to no end. Remember, correlation does not equal causation.

ETA - Thanks for the invite whoever you are. Nice of you.

 

[high life 45]

here is a link to a great book about milk.
THE RAW TRUTH ABOUT MILK
The raw truth about homogenized, pasteurized milk is that it is a perverted form of what would otherwise be a wonderful natural food. It basically destroys the proteins of the natural milk and cause calcification
in the arteries, allergies as a previous poster stated and a whole host of other immune responses...in MOST people. Weston A Price foundation is a great place to source raw milk. Here in california there are two farms that supply fresh unpasteurized raw milk and that is the only milk I like. I mean I drink a squirt in my coffee of that poison they call milk as long as I don't mind another squirt a while later, another issue with pasteurized milk. It's a slow acting poison nothing less. You asked.

I think we must identify if we are talking about unpasteurized milk. The debate changes considerably.

Louis Pasteur.....He was really trying to help out at the time....

I am a pro raw foodist, if we were talking raw milk I would change my stance considerably. It still doesnt change the fact that we are not baby cows imo...milk is mucus forming imo, which leads to health issues. Yogurt and kefir are good options for dairy. Milk not so much me thinks.

The fact of the matter is, you cant really buy raw milk anywhere these days, im talking about the milk thats in the Stores like Krogers, Alberstons, Safeway etc. Raw milk is unfortunately a fraction of a sliver of the milk consumed in the US. So a fraction of a sliver of milk might be very beneficial with its enzymes still intact but its only a fraction of a sliver and not readily available to the general public.

The dairy and beef industry are not sustainable, especially with the way water is these days.

Plants based sources of calcium are better for your bones than milk is. Can we all agree on that?

My gf drinks local raw goats milk and loves it.

 

[high life 45]

someone (I don't know who...) posted this^^in my rep points so I will

iirc...Ca is normally removed from bone in one area of the body and moved to another as needed. Also, genetics plays a major role in who loses bone mass/density and how much and who does not. Not to mention the normal effects of age on bone density because of the drop-off of the ratio of osteoclasts to osteoblasts. Too many factors to say milk causes bone loss.

I invited you, and gave you rep.

im open to all ideas and view, DIVERSITY IS HEALTHY.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sulphur-containing amino acids in protein-containing foods are metabolized to sulfuric acid. Animal foods provide predominantly acid precursors. Acidosis stimulates osteoclastic activity and inhibits osteoblast activity[/FONT]


AS for the ciggies.......I never heard of not smoking increasing your risk for this....

 

[TheCleanGame]

Think milk is great for you? I did and drank gallons of it weekly for decades.

Simple test. Don't drink any milk or consume any foods with dairy products in them for a full 30 days. Eat a light dinner and don't eat anything for breakfast. Now go drink a full glass of whatever milk you want, raw, pasteurized, 1%, Whole. Doesn't really matter that much.

Unless you're of the B blood type, you're going to have major issues with that glass of milk. Even with a B blood type, it won't give you that "Oh Yeah" superfood feeling. Not even close.

I absolutely LOVE not ingesting dairy products, with the exception of a good feta or mozzarella cheese. Unlike just about every other form of dairy, they digest well for my blood type. Amazing how much better I feel, just from not ingesting dairy.

My nose doesn't run like a faucet anymore, even when I step out into the cold. No hard boogers, no tons of mucus, I can breathe deep and free. F'ing amazing difference. Give it a try some time. lol