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Medical marijuana patients denied a spot on transplant list

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SEATTLE — Timothy Garon's face and arms are hauntingly skeletal, but the fluid building up in his abdomen makes the 56-year-old musician look eight months pregnant.

His liver, ravaged by hepatitis C, is failing. Without a new one, his doctors tell him, he will be dead in days.

But Garon isn't getting a new liver. He's been refused a spot on the transplant list, largely because he has used marijuana, even though it was legally approved for medical reasons.

"He said I'm going to die with such conviction," said Garon, lying in his hospital bed a few minutes after a doctor told him the hospital transplant committee's decision Thursday. "I'm not angry, I'm not mad, I'm just confused."

Because of the scarcity of donated organs, transplant committees such as the one at the University of Washington Medical Center have tough standards for deciding who should get them. Does a candidate have other serious health problems? Will he religiously take anti-rejection medicines? Is there good family support? Is the candidate likely to drink or do drugs?

Garon, the lead singer for Nearly Dan, a Steely Dan cover-band, believes he got hepatitis by sharing needles with "speed freaks" as a teenager. In recent years, he says, pot has been the only drug he's used. In December, he was arrested for growing marijuana.

His case poses a new ethical consideration for those allocating organs, one that could become more common as a dozen states now have medical marijuana laws: When dying patients need a transplant, should it be held against them if they've used dope with a doctor's blessing?

"Most transplant centers struggle with issues of how to deal with people who are known to use marijuana, whether or not it's with a doctor's prescription," said Dr. Robert Sade, director of the Institute of Human Values in Health Care at the Medical University of South Carolina. "Marijuana, unlike alcohol, has no direct effect on the liver. It is however a concern ... in that it's a potential indicator of an addictive personality."

The Virginia-based United Network for Organ Sharing, which oversees the nation's transplant system, leaves it to individual hospitals to develop criteria for transplant candidates. At some, people who use "illicit substances" — including medical marijuana, even in states that allow it — are automatically rejected. At others, such as the UCLA Medical Center, patients are given a chance to reapply if they stay clean for six months. Marijuana is illegal under federal law.

Garon, who has been hospitalized or in hospice care for two months straight, said he turned to the university hospital after Seattle's Harborview Medical Center told him he needed six months of abstinence. The university also denied him, but said it would reconsider if he enrolled in a 60-day drug-treatment program.

This week, at the urging of Garon's lawyer, Douglas Hiatt, the university's transplant team reconsidered anyway, but it stuck to its decision.

Dr. Brad Roter, the Seattle physician who authorized Garon's pot use for nausea, abdominal pain and to stimulate his appetite, said he did not know it would be such a hurdle if Garon were to need a transplant. That's typically the case, according to Peggy Stewart, a clinical social worker on the liver transplant team at UCLA who has researched the issue.

"There needs to be some kind of national eligibility criteria so that everyone will know what the rules are," Stewart said. The patients "are trusting their physician to do the right thing. The physician prescribes marijuana, they take the marijuana, and they are shocked that this is now the end result."

No one tracks how many patients are denied transplants over medical marijuana use. Pro-marijuana groups have cited a handful of cases, including at least two patient deaths, in Oregon and California, since the mid-to-late 1990s, when states began adopting medical marijuana laws.

Another Seattle-area patient, Jonathan Simchen, 33, of Fife, said he was rejected as a kidney-transplant candidate at Virginia Mason Hospital and told by UW that he will not be listed until he abstains from pot for six months. Simchen said he uses marijuana to control his blood pressure and to stimulate his appetite, which is disrupted by dialysis.

Many doctors agree that using marijuana — smoking it, especially — is out of the question post-transplant. The drugs patients take to help their bodies accept a new organ increase the risk of aspergillosis, a frequently fatal infection caused by a common mold found in marijuana and tobacco.

But there's little information on whether using marijuana is a problem before the transplant, said Dr. Emily Blumberg, an infectious disease specialist who works with transplant patients at the University of Pennsylvania Hospital.

Further complicating matters, Blumberg said, is that some insurers require proof of abstinence, such as drug tests, before they'll agree to pay for transplants.

"You look at each person and determine what the significance is of whatever they're taking, and if there's a potential inappropriate use," she said.

Dr. Jorge Reyes, a liver transplant surgeon at the UW Medical Center, said that while medical marijuana use isn't in itself a sign of substance abuse, it must be evaluated in the context of each patient.

"The concern is that patients who have been using it will not be able to stop," Reyes said.

Dale Gieringer, state coordinator for the California chapter of NORML, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, scoffed at that notion.

"Everyone agrees that marijuana is the least habit-forming of all the recreational drugs, including alcohol," Gieringer said. "And unlike a lot of prescription medications, it's nontoxic to the liver."

Reyes and other UW officials declined to discuss Garon's case. But Reyes said that in addition to medical concerns, transplant committees — which often include surgeons, other doctors, billing experts, social workers, nutritionists, and psychiatrists — must evaluate whether patients have the support and psychiatric health to cope with a complex postoperative regimen for the rest of their lives.

"You're on a ton of medication ... making appointments, getting your labs done, being consistent with having that level of responsibility," Reyes said. "You can't do it by yourself. It's not like a hernia operation where you're miserable and you go home and sit on your couch and your girlfriend comes by with a bowl of soup."

Garon remains charged with manufacturing weed. He insists he was following the state law, which limits patients to a "60-day supply" but doesn't define that amount. Nothing in the police reports indicates otherwise.

The transplant committee likely considered the possibility of future jail time in its analysis of his social stability, as well as that he was kicked out of his rental home in Mountlake Terrace.

His girlfriend, Leisa Bueno, of Olympia, said Garon has not used other drugs or alcohol since he was diagnosed with hepatitis in 2001.

"He's just a fantastic musician, and he's a great guy," she said. "I wish there was something we could do legally. ... I'm going to miss him terribly if he passes."

Source:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004375764_webtrnsplant26.html
 
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arrg

imagine how many people are ahead on that list that destroyed their liver from alcohol and keep secretly drinking
 
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tokinafaty420

Will they deny transplants to patients who's doctor prescribe any number of pain relievers? Its all drugs, I guess since its a little white pill it doesn't count.
 

xfargox

Member
medical bigotry hippocratic oath failure ethics failure pr failure .stay away fromm that medical group.

Well...don't misunderstand.

It's not like if it doesn't go to him it goes to no one. It's just going to someone else.

I don't think this one is as big an issue as you guys think.
 

Miss Blunted

Resident Bongtender
Veteran
SICK FUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope everyone on that committe loses a loved one in the next month...maybe a much needed lesson in HUMANITY. Guess what prescription drugs do to your liver "DOCS"???? They pickle your fucking liver!

The man took the best medicine he could and it cost him his life? Fuck you University of Washington Medical....you're fucking murderers.
 

Miss Blunted

Resident Bongtender
Veteran
Well...don't misunderstand.

It's not like if it doesn't go to him it goes to no one. It's just going to someone else.

I don't think this one is as big an issue as you guys think.

Yeah it is...what if it was your father....or son that needed a liver? Then it would be....treat everyone as if they were your brother, sister, mother or father.
 

MostHigh

Member
FFS...with mj's anti inflammatory properties...and inert reaction to other drugs, doctors should WANT their tranplantees dosing their ass off prior surgery and during post operative recovery.

Unless there's a heavy bong hitting toker out there needing a lung transplant...theres just no medical reason to deny someone a life saving procedure simply for sake they consume a non toxic example of some of a nature's finest.
 
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theJointedOne

See you Babylon doctors can run but you cant hide from Jah....Where is the consciousness in this world.

You will be judged!
 

treewizard

Member
Perhaps pot smokers who are donors should change their status and let their local transplant group know why. Perhaps we could change their minds that way? Honestly all of my friends are. I bet that there are a high number of pot heads that are in general...
 

festivus

STAY TOASTY MY FRIENDS!
ICMag Donor
Veteran
"Many doctors agree that using marijuana — smoking it, especially — is out of the question post-transplant. The drugs patients take to help their bodies accept a new organ increase the risk of aspergillosis, a frequently fatal infection caused by a common mold found in marijuana and tobacco."

I do indoor air sampling. The samples are sent to a lab for analysis and I get a copy of the report. So I randomly checked some of my reports, and out of 6 samples, all contained aspergillus spores, ranging from 20 to 60% of the total spore count. Aspergillus is common in the environment, not just marijuana and tobacco.

Hep C patients are demonized and judged for their i/v drug use. This sounds like the system punishing Mr. Garon for what they view as his continued drug use. My neighbor got it while he was in an Army hospital!

I have a friend, hep c +, who has developed liver cancer. He had to stop smoking herb just to get on the transplant list. Weed was the one thing that helped him cope.

These people have a mean karma bitch slap coming in their futures.
 

truckin

Member
what does having an addictive personality have to do with getting a transplant? not worthy enough? that just sucks..
 
worst of all, more people are pissed about the whole starbucks-funding-cops-in-CO thing than they are about these poor people fucking DYING. Where's the massive stoner outcry and boycott now? we got a lot of people in our corner. i think we owe it to the community and to the movement and most of all to the dying to stand up for them. god knows they cant do it themselves.
 

xfargox

Member
Yeah it is...what if it was your father....or son that needed a liver? Then it would be....treat everyone as if they were your brother, sister, mother or father.

I'm not saying it doesn't suck. I've shadowed physicians, with most of my time spent in the Interventional Radiology at Georgetown in DC. It really does suck to see the things that can happen to sick people.

However, if you gave this guy the liver, someone else would die. It's a zero sum game. I don't think that it's fair to exclude him just because of his marijuana use.

Also, I'd like to remind you the main two reasons for Hep C transmission are unprotected sex and needle sharing. Both are preventable. Most of the other ways would occur in a hospital and then the family would be suing the HELL out of the hospital. I'm not saying that he should be damned for this, but in all likelihood he did get Hep C from not being careful in his life, and there may be someone else who is more a victim than he, so that person might be higher on the transplant list anyways.

Don't get me wrong, I do not think it's fair at all. However, I think that this article is really misleading. A more wholesome article would read something like:

"Today, a woman with cystic fibrosis which led to cirrhosis of the liver was chosen for a liver transplant over a local man, who got Hepatitis C from [insert reason here, with a very good chance being that it's from unprotected sex or needle sharing]."

(I saw a cystic fibrosis operation in the IR... the way they treated it was actually kinda cool :p)

Don't take me for a heartless guy! I'm going into medicine because I want to help people. However, this story is misleading, and I just wanted to point it out. I don't think this is a good propaganda story for legalizing pot. Don't rally the troops just yet.

Edit: And don't think these are MY judgments of the guy! This thought process is probably what occurs at the transplant committee, and I'm sure they'd rather give the liver to someone with cirrhosis caused by something they can't control rather than a guy who got hep c from something he could have avoided (and was destructive in itself, if it was needle sharing).

Being on a transplant committee is probably one of the hardest jobs imo. They have to make some tough fucking decisions, and they don't have that much time to decide.
 

Flying Goat

Member
SICK FUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope everyone on that committe loses a loved one in the next month...maybe a much needed lesson in HUMANITY. Guess what prescription drugs do to your liver "DOCS"???? They pickle your fucking liver!

The man took the best medicine he could and it cost him his life? Fuck you University of Washington Medical....you're fucking murderers.

You are 100% correct, Ms. B. I can tell you from my own experience. After being legally poisoned by Celebrex & Vioxx & several other potent anti-inflammatories (ALL of which are metabolized in the liver), I developed elevated liver enzymes... After the docs added morphine for my pain, I developed liver failure. I was told I had to give up MJ to even qualify for a transplant... I tried, but I'm a hard-to-match recipient, even with my connections in the medical community.

I finally resigned myself to dying, got off all the meds except my MJ (which was the only thing that could control my pain). I got a divorce & reduced my stress level. Moved to the country for the fresh air & lifestyle during my "last months."

Soon, due to my healthier lifestyle, nutritious goats' milk, organically grown food, lowered stress level, pain relief due to copious amounts of lovingly home-grown MJ, my "months" turned into years. I began to feel my health returning.

After a year of feeling good, I made myself get my liver enzymes checked... Within normal limits! :dance013:

Now, 6 years later, I'm convinced it was the smoke, tinctures, & baked goods from the MJ that healed me! At the time, I was eating about 1/2 cup of infused oil per day...

...and all the while, in society's view, I was (still am) a dirty criminal!

:dunno:
 
In the full article it says he got it from a needle when he was a teen
edit: well he said he thinks it was that and is not sure.

Though in my life I have known 2 people that got it from blood transfusions.
 

xfargox

Member
In the full article it says he got it from a needle when he was a teen

Yeah, I think that'd push him down the list anyways.

I agree with everyone that doctors don't know what they're doing as much as they'd like to think. I think a lot of treatments really can complicate illnesses and make them worse.

However, when it comes to transplants, it's a really tough decision. When you decide who gets an organ, you are basically saying someone will probably die. This happens all the time. It sucks... but you can't save everyone.

Think of it as a burning building in which you can only get half of the people out. Which people do you choose?

Edit: Jacuzzi - Yeah, if it's from blood transfusions, the family should probably sue the hospital for negligence in screening. I always hate to hear stories about getting a fatal disease from the hospital :(
 

Flying Goat

Member
Regardless of how he got it --- The fact that they'd slam him with an event which occurred in his past AS A TEENAGER is reprehensible! Every day, TEENAGERS are tried in juvie courts for murders... This guy can't catch an even break.

What truly ANNOYS the SHIT outta me is that although a person does NOT have Hep C or any other illness except for PRESCRIPTION DRUG-INDUCED LIVER FAILURE, they can be denied access to a transplant purely because MJ is their choice of pain management instead of continuing a doctor's course of meds that CAUSED the condition...

Big Pharma is watching, xFargox... Good luck practicing any form of medicine without kow-towing to them, my friend...
 

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