MAX YIELD = Less Plants & Long Veg OR More Plants & Short Veg???

[ChaosCatalunya]

IMO ureapwhatusow is spot on really.

From observation, not real proper scientific test, 15cm2, 4pp sq ft. 49 ppsm, 7x7 SoG gives slightly higher yields than alternatives with less plant numbers, given that all else is well and you can get 49 cuttings growing evenly.

The difference is then magnified when you add in the extra days lost vegging, that also use 50% more light.

My late, great mate PMS did a 9x9 11cm2 SoG, 81 plants psm with his old Swazi strain, got over 1000g with 2x400w 15 years ago. As ureapwhatusow says, the real trick is actually getting it running right, that way you get the Max and that is trickier with a SoG IMO.

From what I saw, the whole crux is getting the mother/cutting/propagation/rooting/flowering stages optimised, perfected. The ultimate potential is far above what people are talking about.

 

[darksith]

alot of you guys are arguing over nothing, becuase what alot of you are calling medium sized bushes are still under 1 plant per square foot which right or not alot of people call this a sog,
i also noticed a comment earlier that was wrong when someone said it was not possible to get 4 lbs off of 64 plants well that is wrong because with dwc i pull atleast 4 ounces per plant and when i do the math with enough space that would be 64 plants putting off 4lbs.

4 plants per sqft is a sea of green IMO, 12 plants under 1 light is not a SOG IMO.
More big talk. Its funny, I guess me and all my horticulturalist friends that are trained and certified have never seen anyone pull the numbers you are claiming, and some of these boys have been in it for 20 years. Myself its been 10. I even have experience with NL, and you would think that someone in our fairly large circle would be able to produce magic numbers like some claim. I guess we all just don't know what we're doin.

 

[HBxNLmaster]

im am not saying that i have personally pulled 4lbs off of 64 plants i too find that to be a big number, what i am saying is that i consistantly pull over a QP in my deep water culture tubs and if you do the math it seems possible to me to pull 4lbs off of 64 plants becuase if you do the math 64 times 4oz is 256oz which is 4lbs. I never grow this big becuase i only grow for personal and dont have that much space, but what i am saying is that with dwc in a 10 gallon or better tub it is very easy to pull a QP per plant just look around the forums at people running dwc and most are pulling atleast 3oz per container and i opt to use larger containers which have uped my yield to a QP average per plant, anyone that doesn't believe that can call me a liar all they want but it is definately possible and i will be showing you soon enough

 

[Fraggle Rock]

This thread has some awesome input!! Thanks again everyone for voting!! Seems to be just about 50/50 on the results, so obviously the same results can be achieved either way DEPENDING the specific growers variables!!

 

[MEDI-EVIL]

wow, don't we get excited. I was simply referring to your pot size, and how that would limit the number of plants you could have, which would seriously hinder your ability to produce a decent yield, yet you claimed to pull 3lbs, and lost 1 to thrips so you should have pulled 4lb from 64 plants on 12 days veg. Come on, whos bullshitting who? It just bugs me when peeps come on here and spout absolute bullshit....cause you aint gonna pull 3lbs from 64 plants,let alone 4. And thrips don't eat your buds so how did you lose a whole pound? Unless your talking wet weight as some rookies do for some reason, but I don't speak that language.

TOLD YA FELLA READ UP B4 SHOOTING YA MOUTH OFF..
FECKING YOUNGSTER'S..
sorry caps on.. ya right they don't eat buds,roflmao at ya..if ya cant pull 1 oz a plant under 2400 watts, time you give up.thrips fuck with ya leaves making photosynthesis very slow,no leaves no photosynthesis.. the only thing wet here is you behind the hears..
for the record Ive been frequenting IC since 05 under 5 diff names..1 a yr.. so stop spouting ya shit kido..

M.E

 

[darksith]

TOLD YA FELLA READ UP B4 SHOOTING YA MOUTH OFF..
FECKING YOUNGSTER'S..
sorry caps on.. ya right they don't eat buds,roflmao at ya..if ya cant pull 1 oz a plant under 2400 watts, time you give up.thrips fuck with ya leaves making photosynthesis very slow,no leaves no photosynthesis.. the only thing wet here is you behind the hears..
for the record Ive been frequenting IC since 05 under 5 diff names..1 a yr.. so stop spouting ya shit kido..

M.E

haha, you still claiming that you lost 1lb to thrips! Hahahahaha. I have had and have thrips from time to time. Never lost any weight to them. Im probably older than you, and I might be new to IC mag, but thats simply b/c Im bored. Been doing this a long time, and never seen thrips hurt the plants bad enough to affect them. Maybe you have something other than thrips. I can't see pulling 4lbs off 64 plants with 10 days veg. If me or any of my colleagues could do that we would all be rich men. I can see pulling 1oz per plant, but not on a 10 day veg. Hell if you can do that medi, I don't know what your still doing in country, shouldn't you be retired by now and living on the beach somewhere?

 

[catman]

SOG is the superior method because it allows for more harvests over a period of time. The plant count can be adjusted to achieve the same yields as a trained plant would respectively. As a bonus the majority of yield is very desirable main colas that are easily trimmed depending on the strain. SOG requires some extra work and it isn't always an option from a legal standpoint.

 

[High Country]

SOG hydro style, 36 single colas under a 600W HPS, 3x3 table.






My mums are kept in dirt though.

Have a good day or night whever you are.

 

[High Country]

Now that is a BIG SOG, very nice.

I would be to paranoid to breath if I had that lot in my place!

 

[Bud Bug]

Now that is a BIG SOG, very nice.

I would be to paranoid to breath if I had that lot in my place!

72 in a 3x6 room

 

[High Country]

72 in a 3x6 room

It gets bigger by the minute.

They look so healthy, great pic, what an awesome looking grow.

 

[mcattak]

SOG is the superior method because it allows for more harvests over a period of time. The plant count can be adjusted to achieve the same yields as a trained plant would respectively. As a bonus the majority of yield is very desirable main colas that are easily trimmed depending on the strain. SOG requires some extra work and it isn't always an option from a legal standpoint.

I get 5 harvests a year with my vertical non sog...Just make sure you have a veg room...

 

[mcattak]

Depending on the geo area but SOG if no where near being outdated. If you're only going to grow a few lights or plants then do what you need to do, for those that I know running 20+ lights its all out SOG either in pots, beds or stadiums with usually 36-50 plants per light.

Well I know a few people running 20+ light shows that are all vertical..In fact vertical seems to be the big trend lately especially with big ops...Only vertical sog I even see are those stadiums and even then a commercial stadium setup is something I have never seen..

What do you mean geo area...Don't most of us have plant limits...

 

[Bud Bug]

Well I know a few people running 20+ light shows that are all vertical..In fact vertical seems to be the big trend lately especially with big ops...Only vertical sog I even see are those stadiums and even then a commercial stadium setup is something I have never seen..

What do you mean geo area...Don't most of us have plant limits...

Geo as in geographical area. I'm in the Vancouver BC area. I know a lot of stadium grows that do SOG in beds (50 plants per light) but seems different places have different styles. Now when you're doing 20 lights I don't think too many people are worrying about plant limits.

 

[Willie Dean]

I am working on the same question.

One question i have that will help make this decision is...

I think this is very relevant to this discussion and I know, 'there are too many variables.'
Maybe you guys could just give some examples.

How many clones can I expect to get off a mother PER WEEK? Relative to size of course.
If I have them under HIDs what would an ideal mother room look like? How big would they be?
Light size? (I would prefer soil I am thinkin). Using an indica like LUI.


I am liking SOG, but am worried about the space and lighting requirements to feed clones to a 20K flower area.
I would like to do a perpetual with 2-4x4 tables per week.

How would you do it if you needed to harvest every week?

 

[High Country]

I am working on the same question.

One question i have that will help make this decision is...

I think this is very relevant to this discussion and I know, 'there are too many variables.'
Maybe you guys could just give some examples.

How many clones can I expect to get off a mother PER WEEK? Relative to size of course.
If I have them under HIDs what would an ideal mother room look like? How big would they be?
Light size? (I would prefer soil I am thinkin). Using an indica like LUI.
I am liking SOG, but am worried about the space and lighting requirements to feed clones to a 20K flower area.
I would like to do a perpetual with 2-4x4 tables per week.

How would you do it if you needed to harvest every week?

Check out Bud Bug's pic on the previous page. He knows SOG and big grows. See if you can get Bud Bug to respond.

 

[Bud Bug]

I am working on the same question.

One question i have that will help make this decision is...

I think this is very relevant to this discussion and I know, 'there are too many variables.'
Maybe you guys could just give some examples.

How many clones can I expect to get off a mother PER WEEK? Relative to size of course.
If I have them under HIDs what would an ideal mother room look like? How big would they be?
Light size? (I would prefer soil I am thinkin). Using an indica like LUI.


I am liking SOG, but am worried about the space and lighting requirements to feed clones to a 20K flower area.
I would like to do a perpetual with 2-4x4 tables per week.

How would you do it if you needed to harvest every week?

I've never done moms but the people I know can get about 50-75 clones per mom per week depending on the size of the mom. One person I know grows 100 tiny moms in a 4x4 area. Yah I thought it was crazy but he takes one cut from each mom per week. So in 4 4x8 beds he could take 800 cuts per week.

 

[High Country]

I used to keep 50 mums in a standard potting mix fed with kelp or seaweed extract ticking over under fluoros.

I would take about 40 clones for a 36 plant SOG.

I got a bit paranoid about plant numbers the other day and culled 26 mums leaving me with 24.

These have all been topped and will produce enough clones for the next run.

Mind you I still get paranoid with plant numbers doing SOG, the grow, mums and clones all on the go at the same time.

I don't even sell the shit so that's one thing on my side.

Keeps me on my guard though.

 

[Willie Dean]

I've never done moms but the people I know can get about 50-75 clones per mom per week depending on the size of the mom. One person I know grows 100 tiny moms in a 4x4 area. Yah I thought it was crazy but he takes one cut from each mom per week. So in 4 4x8 beds he could take 800 cuts per week.

Wow 50-75 sounds like a lot, like they must be huge moms. The 100 does sound
a little crazy, but heh, whatever floats their boat i guess.

I used to keep 50 mums in a standard potting mix fed with kelp or seaweed extract ticking over under fluoros.

I would take about 40 clones for a 36 plant SOG.

I got a bit paranoid about plant numbers the other day and culled 26 mums leaving me with 24.

These have all been topped and will produce enough clones for the next run.

Mind you I still get paranoid with plant numbers doing SOG, the grow, mums and clones all on the go at the same time.

I don't even sell the shit so that's one thing on my side.

Keeps me on my guard though.

I was thinking something like 8 moms under 2 400s. Giving me 72 clones per week to
fill a 4x8 with 8" pots filled with coco, ebb & flow. And then I got scared of the plant numbers.

 

[High Country]

Yep, that should work. Top them enough and you will have plenty of clones.

Work out a good and reliable cloning method, I go for about a 90% strike rate. Mind you I propagate plants for a living but not this variety. I consider cannabis one of the easiest plants to propagate.

Yep, your right, plant numbers still freak me out a bit.