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an amazing read so far (hope more to come) lazyman you blew my mind
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MAX YIELD = Less Plants & Long Veg OR More Plants & Short Veg???
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darksith
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wow, don't we get excited. I was simply referring to your pot size, and how that would limit the number of plants you could have, which would seriously hinder your ability to produce a decent yield, yet you claimed to pull 3lbs, and lost 1 to thrips so you should have pulled 4lb from 64 plants on 12 days veg. Come on, whos bullshitting who? It just bugs me when peeps come on here and spout absolute bullshit....cause you aint gonna pull 3lbs from 64 plants,let alone 4. And thrips don't eat your buds so how did you lose a whole pound? Unless your talking wet weight as some rookies do for some reason, but I don't speak that language.
CranAppleGemz
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am i going crazy here??? i've read countless times that a sog method consisted of at least 1 plant per sqf minimum....16 plants per 1k watt would technincally be a sog, right??? just because someone uses 2 gallon bags doesnt mean it isnt a sog...ive seen 16 3 gallon square pots per 1k called sog....
wdcf
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more plants shorter veg, why? because the budsites will not be as spread out vertically, they will be horizontally when growing taller plants budsites at the bottom will be covered by growth on the top of the plant so there will be less light penetration so less lumens...
my 2 cents
my 2 cents
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It's 2x2x2 , sorry i'm metric . That'll be seventy eight and fifteen sixteenth in your language or six foot six , man imperial is backward . I know as i was taught it as an apprentice and much prefer ten's for an easy life .
Fraggle Rock
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This thread is great! Thanks again everyone for the input!! I am sure this will help some people make some decisions with their space!!! It seems everyone is almost 50/50 on the votes - To me that confirms that you can have success either way...possibly the easier and more "fool proof" way would be to grow some bigger plants if you have the space. Personally it is much easier for me to move around and water less plants per 1k light than a SOG style or similar. I like to hear that people can regularly pull down 4oz/plant if the conditions are right...
Less plants in a ScOG would yield probably the most. I've never grown with a ScOG but, it'd probably be your best bet for the most weight. Unless you're looking at annual weight, then if you can get something like AK47 or some NL5, some SOG genetics basically, then SOG will get you the most.
Now in regards to the pot size of a SOG - ~1 gallon containers (6"x6"9" square pot, 1 gal grow bag) are ideal for a SOG. 2 gallons is a waste of soil (And, depending on plant count, that ain't cheap.)
The purpose of a SOG is to keep the plants small, the pic that Medi posted was NOT a SOG, in my opinion. In a SOG the light should be able to penetrate all the way to the bottom of the plant, I think 2' is about ideal.
Now in regards to the pot size of a SOG - ~1 gallon containers (6"x6"9" square pot, 1 gal grow bag) are ideal for a SOG. 2 gallons is a waste of soil (And, depending on plant count, that ain't cheap.)
The purpose of a SOG is to keep the plants small, the pic that Medi posted was NOT a SOG, in my opinion. In a SOG the light should be able to penetrate all the way to the bottom of the plant, I think 2' is about ideal.
lemonskunk
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Everybody calm down and actually READ. One of you is saying he uses 6L pots and a bunch more of you are bashing him saying his pots are too big he should be using 6x6 1-2 gallon pots, right?
Let me clear things up for you, 6L = 1.5 gallons.
Can we all get along now?
To the original poster, it all depends on the growing situation and the strain. Some strains yield better in SOG, some better in SCROG, some as bushes, some better indoors, some better outdoors, some respond best to topping, some like lots of nutes, some like more of certain nutes, I could just keep going on all day if you want. My point is that different strains will respond positively to different treatments, and other strains may respond negatively to the same treatment.
Pick your favourite strain, then find out how to grow it to its full potential. With a some research and experimentation you will yield just as much as anybody else.
Let me clear things up for you, 6L = 1.5 gallons.
Can we all get along now?
To the original poster, it all depends on the growing situation and the strain. Some strains yield better in SOG, some better in SCROG, some as bushes, some better indoors, some better outdoors, some respond best to topping, some like lots of nutes, some like more of certain nutes, I could just keep going on all day if you want. My point is that different strains will respond positively to different treatments, and other strains may respond negatively to the same treatment.
Pick your favourite strain, then find out how to grow it to its full potential. With a some research and experimentation you will yield just as much as anybody else.
BirdManFlyHigh
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Could go either way
Size does matter...
Size does matter...
In my experience the best buds that i've produced have come from larger plants that have had longer veg periods. I think a mature plant whether from seed or clone allowed to mature sufficiently will produce better quality buds, and usually more of them. That being said. I don't veg for a particular set time frame. It varies from grow to grow, strain to strain. I veg until all plants have been pruned and trained to fill my light canopy. Then I flower. Sometimes this takes longer than others. I might be paying more in electricity for my weed, but I've always found the end product to be better.
GreatLakes THC
Size does matter...
In my experience the best buds that i've produced have come from larger plants that have had longer veg periods. I think a mature plant whether from seed or clone allowed to mature sufficiently will produce better quality buds, and usually more of them. That being said. I don't veg for a particular set time frame. It varies from grow to grow, strain to strain. I veg until all plants have been pruned and trained to fill my light canopy. Then I flower. Sometimes this takes longer than others. I might be paying more in electricity for my weed, but I've always found the end product to be better.
GreatLakes THC
Matanuskan Flo
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more plants shorter veg will always win this poll w/o any parameters or rules involved. theres no limit to how many plants you could have, so its simple. but, logically & efficiently speaking, all that matters is the individual's unique environment from which all things shall blossom. 9/10x, unlimited space is not possible or imaginable. so, realistically speaking; less plants w/ longer veg is the actual winner even though its the losing option for this poll w/o any set parameters....
Matanuskan, I propose you attempt this. W/O any parameters and rules involved. No limit to how many plants - just the exact same amount of lighting and light orientation (ie, no vertical vs horizontal gardens, or 400 vs 1000)
Run identical bloom rooms with a true SOG (1 week veg, max.) and tree some bushes out in the other. The bushes WILL win in terms of quality and quantity.
Now you run that same test over the period of a year, and then yes, the SOG will outproduce the trees. A lot of it has to do with time allotment and strain. If you're running a strain that doesn't SOG well, then you're probably not going to do well anyway. But if you can get some AK47 or some NL5 or such... you're golden.
Run identical bloom rooms with a true SOG (1 week veg, max.) and tree some bushes out in the other. The bushes WILL win in terms of quality and quantity.
Now you run that same test over the period of a year, and then yes, the SOG will outproduce the trees. A lot of it has to do with time allotment and strain. If you're running a strain that doesn't SOG well, then you're probably not going to do well anyway. But if you can get some AK47 or some NL5 or such... you're golden.
sog always wins. if done right.
I have to agree as I am using a 10 sq' veg closet to produce 22 clones all rooted and veged for 2 weeks and put into my flower room 3 days after I harvest the last 20 . It takes me 3 days because I need the time to clean my buds and to sterilize the room again just incase of any fungus,molds or any pests that could possibly have found there way in and I didnt notice. In fact I actually use my sulphur burner to kill of any potential poweder molds and disinfect with hospital sanitizer I get from a friend whos wife is a nurse. But I am pulling in between 30-40 ounces every 10 weeks. But on the same note I have also put 50 clones on an ebb and flow and yielded the same amount in 10 weeks. So if you know what your doing you will get about the same yield from any given strain no matter what style you use but its just easier to do a SoG in a room with low ceilings.
I kinda look at a SoG as basically cutting up a few plants and just making sure every single bud ends up the same size in essence a SoG which would use up an entire plant and make sure it flowers evenly so I look at the yield the breeder says the plant can achieve outdoors mainly because I have found that outdoors I dont get much bottom fluff.
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95% of people I know do SOG in commercial grows ie: 25+ lights. Plant amounts vary from 35 to 49+ per light and the systems vary from beds and plants spaced every 6" to flood and drain with 36+ plants per 4x4 table. The veg times vary but its 0-12 days.
I prefer SOG with 0-4 days veg as this allows me more smaller crops per year and the crops coming down faster to reduce the risk. At least if you get one crop out you have money fast for legal/other issues.
At the end it really doesn't matter, whatever you're comfortable with. I always though people doing SOG where retarded for so many small plants but then you realize how fast each crop comes down and it makes perfect sense.
I prefer SOG with 0-4 days veg as this allows me more smaller crops per year and the crops coming down faster to reduce the risk. At least if you get one crop out you have money fast for legal/other issues.
At the end it really doesn't matter, whatever you're comfortable with. I always though people doing SOG where retarded for so many small plants but then you realize how fast each crop comes down and it makes perfect sense.
