Jim Ortega is one of the first persons to visit Afghanistan for seed collecting in the 70's I believe.
He wasn't given them by any Westerners like those your mention.
It's all online if you search.
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Jim Ortega is one of the first persons to visit Afghanistan for seed collecting in the 70's I believe.
He wasn't given them by any Westerners like those your mention.
It's all online if you search.
It always amazes me how stories/debates about how such and such got seeds off Mr X or Y, seem to be more important than the plants you can grow. You buy some seeds, grow them, and select the nicest. That's what matters, the rest is mostly hearsay, interesting to historians, but it doesn't get you better buds than the seeds you can get right here right now. It's almost like "the one that got away" fishermans stories, or "I remember the good old days"....
Knowing if a line is purebred. ..ie, never been outcrossed is important!. .. so in some way the history of a seedline is important. ..knowing liniage is very important but it's not "the be all and end all of the matter" ..it's just the back story to future story's
G`day Corky
Sam was there circa 71 .
Selgnij ...
I know is Ortega sent seeds to Nevil in Holland .
Dunno about seed collecting trips .
Thanks for sharin
EB
How are you supposed to know that without DNA sequencing the original? Neville's Haze isn't purebred, it's got several different phenotypes. Ultimately the grower has to hunt for a keeper.
To me it sucks about MNS/Neville/Shanti because they were the only breeders working true indoor haze hybrids. And by that I don't mean something that is a SSH cross so in reality only 25% haze, but actual hazy hybrids with haze highs. Ace and a few others have legitimate Sativa offerings, and while I'm patient, I'm certainly not 20-28 weeks patient.
And even the haze leaners I'd like from SSH/MH can take 13-14 weeks, and NH even longer. So when growers who grew them before say they are now different I believe them, as much as I don't want to.
Im going to be honest with you guys..
Ive grown out the older nevilles haze and the newer ones and there is no comparison to the old..I grew out nearly 30 plants from seed and did not find a keeper..
The best one I have found was a special lady I found in a batch of F2's..
Incredible spicy resin production and did not carry that greeny taste that most NH are known for now which I cant stand..You know when you have found a special one as it stands head above the rest of the seed plants..The biggest thing being much heavier resin production..
If you are getting wide leaves something is wrong as the narrow leaf is dominant in this hybrid and the indica leaf from the 25% NL is resessive..I have never found a fat leaf plant growing NH..Im talking about nearly 100 plants from seed...
Good luck fellas..When/if you do find a keeper you will be blown away with the flavor and potency...
Nothing like it................................CC
Ive grown out the older nevilles haze and the newer ones and there is no comparison to the old..I grew out nearly 30 plants from seed and did not find a keeper..
The best one I have found was a special lady I found in a batch of F2's..
Incredible spicy resin production and did not carry that greeny taste that most NH are known for now which I cant stand..You know when you have found a special one as it stands head above the rest of the seed plants..The biggest thing being much heavier resin production..
If you are getting wide leaves something is wrong as the narrow leaf is dominant in this hybrid and the indica leaf from the 25% NL is resessive..I have never found a fat leaf plant growing NH..Im talking about nearly 100 plants from seed...
Good luck fellas..When/if you do find a keeper you will be blown away with the flavor and potency...
Nothing like it................................CC
Gizmo
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maybe its time to ask the truth to Shantibaba because i saw several growers reporting the same thing about SSH and NH beeing not the same as before, i personally wished to grow a 100 seeds of NH too but even at auction price i dont want to loose my time and my money if the keepers are not here or if its a 1 for 1000 seeds killer phenotype, if its not 5% keepers at minimum i dont think its worth to buy so i think i will send an email to Shantibaba and open a thread at his forum to ask publicly for some clarification/truth/explanation and honesty, we all made mistake in life so thats ok but we must admit the truth. i wish i could find all the reports from growers saying SSH is not the same, NH is not the same ect... and show it in a thread to Shantibaba. if some unsatisfied growers see this post and could pm me clear and detailed information from his past grow like how many seeds grown, from which pack, yellow or new pack and where the seeds were bought, do it please, i will open a thread at mr nice forum mid september or before when everybody will be back from vacation and when the mr nice office will be more active. thank you.
I agree, NH is hard to find a good indoor pheno, though not impossible, it's brilliant outdoors. That's why I am trying KC Brains Haze Special atm. which is a NH x KC606 looking for a pheon that is still Haze dominant.
I have tried C99 it's a pretty good indoor compromise, and Jack Herer, 12-14week pheno, both are sativa dominant, the JH a little more.
Not seen you for ages Capt cript....hope your well bro. Good to see you about still,,,respect!
Moral of the story is this... Way back when Nev sourced the worlds greatest genetics before anyone did. Those awesome genetics were used to make even better hybrids of the previous stock. His stock is dated. The shit shanti has doesn't hold a candle to what we were all used to way back when. Is what it is. Start looking for that new haze. The old haze is long gone.
I had original nevil skunk, nl1, nl2, early pearl. the early pearl I got was ruderalis dom and sucked. the rest were fantastic.
the nl2 was boysenberry. sounds ok, but in reality they were exquisite terps wise.
my dumb ass didn't know anything about preserving genetics and like a lot of great strains I once had all gone.
they have inbred those nevil supplied genes for 35 years. you can breed indoors several batches per year so we are talking potentially 100 generations of inbreeding.
I got some unworked jojo aloha white widow beans and they are fantastic. thank you Mr. Stash!
gots to get away from excessively inbred genetics me thinks.
the nl2 was boysenberry. sounds ok, but in reality they were exquisite terps wise.
my dumb ass didn't know anything about preserving genetics and like a lot of great strains I once had all gone.
they have inbred those nevil supplied genes for 35 years. you can breed indoors several batches per year so we are talking potentially 100 generations of inbreeding.
I got some unworked jojo aloha white widow beans and they are fantastic. thank you Mr. Stash!
gots to get away from excessively inbred genetics me thinks.
idiit,
well put!
well put!
englishrick,
good to see you as well friend..
Hope you are doing well...................CC
good to see you as well friend..
Hope you are doing well...................CC
You are guessing. Other people here like Sam, who was an actual neighbor of the Haze brothers, not someone thousands of km away like Neville, knows who did and didn't get their Haze genetics. You might try reading one of his threads where he talks about Neville's genetics origins, they are quite informative.
That said Neville's Haze is a great strain.
If everything was still so superb after all these years why is everyone still searching for a good haze? I'm merely playing devils advocate. I'm very up to date on lineages and history. It's sad to say... But they're long gone. A mere shell of what they used to be.
