MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[HOVAH]

man you MFs are gettin deep!

 

[Julian]

Wow, thats really news to me man, I tried to always be at least 20ft from anything 20ft tall in general I believe

Well, you know, once again "ideal"........

Many people have access to things far from ideal...You work with what you have man....given that one understands the nuances in general of the plant and environment..(ie:" sun is your yield, sun is density.....and, you work backwards from there (and, before anyone chimes in, yes, of course genetics is also yield and density, but, sun follow it, and, a given, so.....that was already in the equation.....)

What you can, where you can, how you can....ya know?......

Goes back to original points.....if one not started right away, does one write season off?......If not an "ideal" spot, does one forgo growing in general?

You work with what you have an alter approach with what you have to try and hit desired results.......

So, maybe that opens....uhhh....like 5-10 more spots?? at least 3 or 4 off the top of my mind that I remember declining on before

Which all add up.....

For sure, gotta stop looking for any assurance, and realize that ALL of the best are shot down by some of those that are considered the best, jmo anyway

We all do it. I used to (probably cost me 5 years actually....) You listen for feedback, but recognize source..(one should always listen to what people have to say.....some might be useless, some might be of value, etc.....you never know until you have heard it, ya know?.....you just don't place your decisions on it, and, of course, as earlier, most rely on those who know less than they do ....I can't even count how many times I have heard people talking about things with friends, relatives, etc.....I'm kind of a problem when it comes to "bouncing ideas" off, because I deal with everything by reality...You want to do something?, okay, this would be the steps, this would be the path,and this is what you would have to do, etc....I do that often....and, sometimes?, NOT a waste of time......(Did it recently with a friend who "dreamed" of owning a restaurant.......by the time we were finished, he realized he was maybe, in reality, a year away from that "dream...", so, can work either way sometimes.....(his initial start up cost estimates were way too high, his estimates of purchasing existing were way too high....etc, etc.....)

somewhere recently, dont think here, heard something else, a measure of success, which i usually steer away from but liked this one

-A person becomes successful when their own voice becomes louder than the voices around them

I like that one ....

I like " Successful people follow their own advice"

Well, the money is good too, but, I try not to rely on money for motivation, maybe not truly such a bad thing, (funny, just this year did I realize, 'I cant expect to get a lot of money if I dont like it', and I had bad attitude about money, people who had it, what it means, etc)

It only "means" what you make it "mean"...

You don't like what other people do? (me neither), then be different...

Newsflash....lot of people sabotage themselves because they have such thoughts...(and in the process, deny themselves, their family, their children/future children a better life.....)

You can buy a F430.....or you can send your kids you school to have a better life than you did......

Hopefully most at some point see that money in itself is not a bad thing......wanting to accomplish something....is not a bad thing.....being proud of what one does and being rewarded for a job well done and their talent is not a bad thing.......

Being an asshole because one was blessed enough to receive such?

That's a bad thing

Spending all ones money on toys to bring short lived pleasures instead of taking care of loved one?....that's a bad thing....

Earlier........standing next to a mother who can't afford diapers and doing nothing when you spit more than she makes in a month?

That's a bad thing......

Desire for something more is not a bad thing......

Once you get it is the test...

(Failing that test is also not a bad thing, as long as one see's it at some point.....)

S1(wire) coming down now, fucking friend, hes youngster, get him into the club the other night, bypass cover, free CDs, and he comes home and fucking stops my download, taking up a whole 40k down/30k up maybe and he fucking kills it, people, lol

Well.......as long as gets done...you'll like it....S5 over next week and no more Wire........

1-5?

You will be in awe.......

 

[Julian]

GroBoy said" Wow, thats really news to me man, I tried to always be at least 20ft from anything 20ft tall in general I believe"

This is what Julian would call a mini, as it was planted late with only a few weeks of official Summer left. It has a 100 ft tree 5 feet to the west (blocks all afternoon sun after 2:00 ish), a 12 foot hedge to the South (blocks some morning sun, Southern Hemisphere here), A 3 metre building to the east (blocks some morning sun) - This only gets a few (5-6) hours of late season sun per day and it loves it. Few weeks out at time of photo.

Not a great example of a 'mini' being only one (there's 2 actually) but a good example of using what you got. Thing is, the Summer sun gets right overhead, or almost, making some direct light possible almost anywhere.

I thought it was a perfect example....perfect......in all ways...(using what you have to work with, good example of mini, etc.....)

You'll always get something....the big problem is people having unrealistic expectations what that will be....

Issue also if one has several spots which are great, and several which are not.....well, why not do the ones that are not?...it all adds up...

(the ones that are not are usually 10 times safer than the ones that are also btw ...)

You continually hit me with common sense and wisdom that is right under my nose. I have some rare succulents here, and a greenhouse, and a friend with a landscaping business in a 'well to do' part of town. He can tell me what to plant in any regards. Thanks for stating the obvious.

Sometimes just need to hear something a different way for it to click........Talk to the guy.....he could give you something of use.....ya never know....(I was thinking about that couple years ago when my neighbors showed me their pepper (Jabenero? sp?) clones they paid 11 bucks each for ya know?.... (I don't really know the range...could be things for more, or less, etc..........actually, now ya got my wheels spinning, you could make deals all day long with places that supply starts to people in spring....I go to wal mart in spring and see 100K starts out in front...have to come from somewhere, right? ....

 

[Julian]

god damn.. can't believe your all still here!! ; D

We close the place down every night brother ....

good stuff about being poor though. I don't think you truly know yourself or someone else.. till their are flat broke.

Maybe it's excess, because you seem to also get a very good idea of who people are when they are doing extremely well also

It helps you realize the important things.. well enough of that.. i'm going to choke someone out!!

I edited for humor:
Ahhh....the simple pleasures in life

good to see your still ticking here.. J ... .. man feb.. .. time flys fast.. it'll be june/july before ya know it.

Too fast when you don't want it to and too slow when you need it to , ya know?

Right around corner, already hard at work myself (200 mothers going myself....not even sure what is going where , etc, etc, but....was feeling behind ......) May 1st right around corner.........been studying ground shots (last summer) and aerials of my new spot for almost a week now ...

 

[Julian]

man you MFs are gettin deep!

You noticed that too? ......

Seems went right back to square one though.........

March 1st here.....end of Wire, so, back to work ......scouting plots, developing gameplans, making lists of supplies, changing gameplans ,mothers underway, starting my health routine, shopping today or tomorrow different food, last (maybe ) carton of smokes.....)............and on it goes.......

The game is the game

 

[Julian]

We could change it up, and, to continue, we could leave out all discussions and just make it all pictures

I just don't seeing that being of any actual use though.....

 

[Guest]

AWesome! Thought I might of annoyed you waxing philosophical but like you said - it all has to do with growing too.

Dude, seriously, you inspire folks, write a book.

 

[Julian]

AWesome! Thought I might of annoyed you waxing philosophical but like you said - it all has to do with growing too.

Everything related to everything......everything applies to everything......some can see it, some can't.... The ones that can know, the ones that don't don't, and, occasionally, the ones that aren't sure can ...

I interviewed Henry Rollins many years ago he said - "Everything affects everybody elses everything."

GTF outta here, really? Really?....I'm really glad he's done so well.....seriously....he's a great guy......and cool as all hell ...

I got a whole bunch of new succulent starters going. I got some awesome old school beans germing cos why wouldn't they finish in my frost free greenhouse. I got a worm bin made and populated from my compost heap. I got a new compost heap going in to fill starter tubes when I'll be needing a lot of it.

And a retaining wall gone in for new raised bed veg plot....

And I discovered your thread only days ago.

Dude, seriously, you inspire folks, write a book.

well thanks man...("Tao of commercial growing"? )..... .seriously, kind of you to say...glad of interest man........brings me pleasure to possibly change someones bottom line......Do what I do and get what I need and offer up the excess ......

What kind of prick would not share the plans to make a money machine if they already built and own several, ya know?

 

[Julian]

Change ups:

200 mothers.

Might very well though also decide (shortly) to send those somewhere else, couple weeks veg (as little as possible, just till they're sexed ) flip those down and then use the shavings from those as the moms.....quick in batch for some ps for summer work ...

Ya never know ....

If I do though, will be coco, and that will be my first coco in run.....so, looking forward to that......(I had planned an in run for a couple (3-500+/-), but, changed that too......figured just start moms, but then figured just change that up maybe and shave em as above.....)

No harm in changes mid stream, as long as beneficial.... part of the game

 

[GroBoy2000]

Yeah coco, cant wait to try some of that stuff, i have been saving the tall square juice containers, I think plants will explode in those with coco

So, I saw someone drop a little planning, and thought, if i could be of use to someone, I'd outline, some, of my system, might not get fully implemented until next year, but still aplies I think

I'm planning 16 spots, in 4 'areas'/regions so, 4 in each area. Im not sure how it will be scattered, but I got my state map out (always easier the first time for me in hardcopy, right in front of me) and have been reviewing some places I like, Ideally, the 'areas' are very easy to remember and very systematic, (ie, N,S,E,W, or from N to S, etc)

So, 16 plots, 8 front season, 8 late spots. Hopefully, this will equate to 1 weekend of work to maintain every 2 spots.

4 trips in April for prep, 4 trips in May to plant (of course, will likely check something to make sure all fine) 4 trips in August to plant minis(i like calling them halfers too, lol 1/2oz i mean), (not sure if will do beds for minis, which would require prepping, and might do, if far out, irrigation,)

I think 10-30 per on earlier, call it 20 ea, = 160, wanted fems, cut work, exposure, etc, we'll see, be lucky if its not all the same plus a nirvana 40 pk

So, hopefully its easy to see, how one could hit 20 holes, in 2 spots, and drop the premixed soil, in a weekend of work, and that sounds like nice 8-10hr days to me, but we'll see, simply repeat when rested or ready,

Come May, depending on weather, will drop 4 different days, at most, 50 plants each day, doesnt sound too bad eh? (yeah we'll see what Im saying come October) but, hopefully strains will come into play there

If I do have to water, hopefully not more than once a month, same routine, 2 spots in a day, or weekend, whatever, aint no biggie to rent a $80 motel when nearby your growing $8k+

ya know, no one, ever, EVER, brought to my attention that word, established, and what it means to the plant, and how it gets there, etc, that THAT is the way wild plants come up

Millions of seed spread wildly, yet maybe only 100s or 1000s will grow downstream ...are the seeds bad? no....then what is it that makes sure some come up?

I dunno how to explain, but man, if everything else is growing around your pot, why shouldnt your pot grow alright too??? Especially with help of water crystals

well, anyway, hope someone might find of use, even could do 8 spots with 20-50ea right? Idea being that with drill, and soil premixed, spots ready, well, easy to chart on calendar your work days. But I like the 4x4 thing, 4 weeks, 4 directions, 4 spots within an hour from each other,

I like it, b/c its easy for me to say, why not

edit : gee, i said hopefully easy to see, just looks like another one of my many planning pads, lol

 

[GroBoy2000]

A question for how you handle your mini spots Jules

You say you most often park, down the way, seems odd to pull up to a place, closed or not, jump out and take off somewhere, do you just use 'intuition on the places to park, when to get in/out of vehicle?

I like some places I found for minis a lot, still not sure about jumping out with bags though, last time, ran in, paid a bill, grabbed stuff from trunk, threw in dumpster, and off I went, felt ungraceful though ya know,

I'm trying not to park in the really dark/closed areas, dont wat to look suspicious right, lot of parking if didnt mind that idea of it also being my loading up and leaving out spot at end of it all....

 

[GroBoy2000]

BTW, also just saw that single stalk 3 footer from the city, nxt to carton, thats beautiful, did you do something to that one to get its profile like that?

 

[Guest]

If I do though, will be coco, and that will be my first coco in run.....so, looking forward to that......(I had planned an in run for a couple (3-500+/-), but, changed that too......figured just start moms, but then figured just change that up maybe and shave em as above.....)

No harm in changes mid stream, as long as beneficial.... part of the game

Good luck with the coco, I hear good things. Talk at ya later man.

Thanks

 

[InjectTruth]

.......actually, now ya got my wheels spinning, you could make deals all day long with places that supply starts to people in spring....I go to wal mart in spring and see 100K starts out in front...have to come from somewhere, right? ....

Holy shit! I said this exact same thing to my friend today. verbatim.

 

[Julian]

Yeah coco, cant wait to try some of that stuff, i have been saving the tall square juice containers, I think plants will explode in those with coco

So, 16 plots, 8 front season, 8 late spots. Hopefully, this will equate to 1 weekend of work to maintain every 2 spots.

4 trips in April for prep, 4 trips in May to plant (of course, will likely check something to make sure all fine) 4 trips in August to plant minis(i like calling them halfers too, lol 1/2oz i mean), (not sure if will do beds for minis, which would require prepping, and might do, if far out, irrigation,)

So, hopefully its easy to see, how one could hit 20 holes, in 2 spots, and drop the premixed soil, in a weekend of work, and that sounds like nice 8-10hr days to me, but we'll see, simply repeat when rested or ready,

Come May, depending on weather, will drop 4 different days, at most, 50 plants each day, doesnt sound too bad eh? (yeah we'll see what Im saying come October) but, hopefully strains will come into play there

If I do have to water, hopefully not more than once a month, same routine, 2 spots in a day, or weekend, whatever, aint no biggie to rent a $80 motel when nearby your growing $8k+

ya know, no one, ever, EVER, brought to my attention that word, established, and what it means to the plant, and how it gets there, etc, that THAT is the way wild plants come up

I dunno how to explain, but man, if everything else is growing around your pot, why shouldnt your pot grow alright too??? Especially with help of water crystals

well, anyway, hope someone might find of use, even could do 8 spots with 20-50ea right? Idea being that with drill, and soil premixed, spots ready, well, easy to chart on calendar your work days. But I like the 4x4 thing, 4 weeks, 4 directions, 4 spots within an hour from each other,

Well, first and foremost the point is, is one ready?

Have you accurately defined amount of work, tasks, duties. (and redefined?)...

What about physical aspects?, can you? ;smoke: (I can't, that's why I start my spring routine.......eat better, cut back on smokes, workout more, etc, so that come work time, I'm back to "cut" again..... I'm certainly not now indulged quite a bit over the winter .......quite a bit....and, speaking from first hand knowledge of being in both conditions, can tell anyone first hand, the better shape you are, the more work that can get done easier . (Yes, people are saying "duh, no shit, your a genius, aren't cha".........but, no, it's isn't such a simple deduction......unless you do it and have been there and realize what the differences are, and how they affect you.....throw in the weather, and you change it yet again.....

Reason I'm touching on that is because sometimes things can get to be a lot of work....and, my view is always get it done...no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, no matter how tired you are.....another trip equals more risk........so......

Lot depends on your rainfall and your prep.....and, yeah, I like the hotel/motel ideas....... (helps also to be able to shower and clean up around harvest season quick before hitting the road also ....)

Surrounding vegetation definitely an indicator, but, of course, keep in mind a lo0t of things have different needs.....some things need more sun, some things less, some things more water, some things less, etc, etc....but, in general, again, they way one gets things in can set the tone for the entire season.....holes, prep, rain,etc...keeping an eye on weather conditions can also save one trips,etc, ...method can determine maintenance....(I do a lot of top/side dress.....

Point of all being:
Can one do it? Absolutely....that has been more than illustrated here and elsewhere, by myself and many.

Should one do it? Well, only you/one knows their situation....

But I'm firm also about expectations..........if one knows and fully understands all involved?.....Fuckin do it. Get it done. Good luck ....

You sound like you have a handle on it, understand it, hopefully realistic expectations....and, now?, go over everything again and try and see things and think about things you didn't the first time ...

Then, when your done and have answered every new question you have for yourself?

Go back and do it again .....and continue doing so, over and over again until your started, and then start the process over again as soon as planted....

The point of that is of course to develop a different mindset, prepared for anything that may arise, with a remedy to it, and being able to take it in stride.....smallest problems can easily throw any off course.........don't be or become one....

Don't underestimate the mini's......You want to go low on your expectations, but that doesn't mean they are, or will be low (Many variables will determine yield, sun being most significant, genetics, hole, if any, diet, etc, etc......you might get some 3 z's, you might get some 1/2 or less......but, always safe to keep your expectations low. As earlier, I arrange everything with what is needed and then everything else "gravy"....not even assuming yields really sometimes, or even thinking about them, and, again....when one starts to break into numbers, they will find a lot more to think about and do than sit and calculate yields (like work ...)

Sorry, train of thought completely broke (someone just really fuckin annoyed me on phone call....)

Anyway....whatever.....sure points are above, had more to add.....disappointed I let this person bother me.....shouldn't of even have answered call. (Someone I wrote off/cut off this week......permanently......) Sorry, not fair to you.....took the time to post, etc.....I apologize.....

 

[Julian]

Good luck with the coco, I hear good things. Talk at ya later man.

Thanks man.

Be well, was my pleasure.

 

[Julian]

A question for how you handle your mini spots Jules

Yes sir.

You say you most often park, down the way, seems odd to pull up to a place, closed or not, jump out and take off somewhere, do you just use 'intuition on the places to park, when to get in/out of vehicle?

I like some places I found for minis a lot, still not sure about jumping out with bags though, last time, ran in, paid a bill, grabbed stuff from trunk, threw in dumpster, and off I went, felt ungraceful though ya know,

I'm trying not to park in the really dark/closed areas, dont wat to look suspicious right, lot of parking if didnt mind that idea of it also being my loading up and leaving out spot at end of it all....

Well, sounds like we're talking different areas.....mine are pure metro...so, getting out, parking, walking.....just looks like I'm going home to building nearby, etc...and, last minute, I break different direction....

All depends on your spot.....be aware who is watching, how it appears, etc, etc....and, goal is to not visit often, so, ideally those are no maintenance.....only issues getting in/getting em in, and getting em out.....maybe a check sometimes if you can but ideally not.

I go through this on several things, often, with many people:
Ideally, you forget, and leave behind what you know yourself to be doing...

It will color your actions...(I give this lecture to people about driving dirty....)....you think, you think more, you get nervous, and things happen. Ideally, you program yourself your not doing anything wrong...Your just walking home, your just driving to store, etc, etc, etc.......I've seen a lot of people fuck themselves up by being overly paranoid...

 

[Julian]

BTW, also just saw that single stalk 3 footer from the city, nxt to carton, thats beautiful, did you do something to that one to get its profile like that?

Nope, just mediocre/substandard soil ......right timing I suppose....there is a couple others I think in there.....

You just saw that????????

(it's like........40 pages and 600 posts ago ...someones not reading thread, are they? ....)

Nah...just as is......just planted as described in the posts earlier ....

 

[GroBoy2000]

Well, first and foremost the point is, is one ready?

Have you accurately defined amount of work, tasks, duties. (and redefined?)...

Ready? well, excited sure, ready, well....if you gave me a drill today, and showed me the spots, I dont feel id have a problem hitting 20 holes, hauling and mixing dirt, in a matter of hours. Maybe another hole, or some short trenches to route water. The biggest thing holding me back this year, is, spots, probably run at half strength this year, and go from there, but I thought it was a great and easy to understand system, a lightbulb moment for myself and how I could go above and beyond what previously thought possible

What about physical aspects?, can you? ;smoke: (I can't, that's why I start my spring routine.......eat better, cut back on smokes, workout more, etc, so that come work time, I'm back to "cut" again..... I'm certainly not now indulged quite a bit over the winter .......quite a bit....and, speaking from first hand knowledge of being in both conditions, can tell anyone first hand, the better shape you are, the more work that can get done easier . (Yes, people are saying "duh, no shit, your a genius, aren't cha".........but, no, it's isn't such a simple deduction......unless you do it and have been there and realize what the differences are, and how they affect you.....throw in the weather, and you change it yet again.....

Yeah I hear ya, first few days of the season always leave me gasping for air, hoping to find a good place to workout soon, I know a lot of good stuff that requires no weights, but prefer free weights or some sort of resistance

[quote[Point of all being:
Can one do it? Absolutely....that has been more than illustrated here and elsewhere, by myself and many.

Should one do it? Well, only you/one knows their situation....

But I'm firm also about expectations..........if one knows and fully understands all involved?.....Fuckin do it. Get it done. Good luck ....[/quote]

Yeah, a lot to keep pace with, but can be done, and except for harvest, believe it to be a one man job pretty much. Expectations, well I think, half the yield and double the workload, ie, might get 5lbs from a spot I visit 4 times, well, call it 2.5 and 8 days of visits, hopefully I can adhere to this idea, so like I said, might only get done 8 this year, but as someone else had mentioned before, will it make a difference? oh hell yes

Then, when your done and have answered every new question you have for yourself?

Go back and do it again .....and continue doing so, over and over again until your started, and then start the process over again as soon as planted....

The point of that is of course to develop a different mindset, prepared for anything that may arise, with a remedy to it, and being able to take it in stride.....smallest problems can easily throw any off course.........don't be or become one....

Don't underestimate the mini's......You want to go low on your expectations, but that doesn't mean they are, or will be low (Many variables will determine yield, sun being most significant, genetics, hole, if any, diet, etc, etc......you might get some 3 z's, you might get some 1/2 or less......but, always safe to keep your expectations low. As earlier, I arrange everything with what is needed and then everything else "gravy"....not even assuming yields really sometimes, or even thinking about them, and, again....when one starts to break into numbers, they will find a lot more to think about and do than sit and calculate yields (like work ...)[/quote

Yeah, I've been stuck on my 4 x 4 system for a little over a month, and always reviewing, ok, so how will one get them there, will they need to be sexed? if no water during this month, how often wil i have to visit? etc, so, again, hopefully on track

Sorry, train of thought completely broke (someone just really fuckin annoyed me on phone call....)

Anyway....whatever.....sure points are above, had more to add.....disappointed I let this person bother me.....shouldn't of even have answered call. (Someone I wrote off/cut off this week......permanently......) Sorry, not fair to you.....took the time to post, etc.....I apologize.....

no worries brother, if you think of it, just throw it out there, Im sure many would benefit

thats too bad about the one you cut off, unfortunately, had hoped my spring run partner would be up to handling some of those 16 with me, its not just technical or laziness though, its colors, multiples, after mentioning, 'dude gotta cut yourself from those people', and still involved, chasing wrong girls, and also he mentioned that something we had done a while back, a guy was begging for a bud still on the plant, and so he obliged, , eh, we all make mistakes, but if I'm calling the shots, I think I call that one out

havent said anything yet, gonna stick to the plan and let this spring through still I think, relatively small, said he opend up the space I had been asking for, see how he acts through this, but its a pretty hard 'no' for anything beyond right now

 

[GroBoy2000]

Well, sounds like we're talking different areas.....mine are pure metro...so, getting out, parking, walking.....just looks like I'm going home to building nearby, etc...and, last minute, I break different direction....

All depends on your spot.....be aware who is watching, how it appears, etc, etc....and, goal is to not visit often, so, ideally those are no maintenance.....only issues getting in/getting em in, and getting em out.....maybe a check sometimes if you can but ideally not.

I go through this on several things, often, with many people:
Ideally, you forget, and leave behind what you know yourself to be doing...

It will color your actions...(I give this lecture to people about driving dirty....)....you think, you think more, you get nervous, and things happen. Ideally, you program yourself your not doing anything wrong...Your just walking home, your just driving to store, etc, etc, etc.......I've seen a lot of people fuck themselves up by being overly paranoid...

Ahh, I see, I was thinking suburban, I see, in that case, will probably just make a longer walk, and of course, yeah, not gonna access in something while someone watching/nearby,

And I agree with forget what you are doing for a minute, just become another man passing through