MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[marto]

Hey Julian.....just curious....When you hire someone on do you allow them to freelance on there own projects or work part time for other growers. Just wondering how strict your conduct code. Also how is payment factored in...eg by the job or by the hour?

 

[GroBoy2000]

as always, thank you for the words, no refreshment like a clean and clear spring

You use everything you can....every little bit counts......

is that for growing or progress in general???

you said 50ft??? i wouldnt have expected that at all man, nice to know

Well, you can take it one further and totally eliminate "can't"..."maybe"...."if" from all thoughts

I think all that leads into why some hold any significant numbers at a different level.......(work ethic.......drive...energy.....different vocabulary ......)

Very well, you are not the first who has brought to my attention how simple vocabulary can weaken and immobilize us sometimes, I've already gotten rid of always, and never, seriously, i dont say it unless it is 100% or absolutely never, so those if, cant, maybe words will just have to sail away

Frankly, I told him stop and read (previous run) to get an idea of future, process, pics, aspects, etc,but, point being....he hasn't already programmed himself what can, and can't be done...

Exactly man, no knowledge = no limits sometimes, as much as it might sound the otherway around, the fact is, if you dont know jack about something, you arent hampered with cants

Anyway, point being anything and everything we want to do, we think we might do, we wish to do, etc......it's all up to you what you can do.

Yeah man, was telling a friend this tonight, younger than me, not sure what he wants to do, and I just tell him, if you want it whos stopping you???

Well, let's look at it another angle also (because we always have to be fair....) If the guy doesn't know.....it's up to you to teach him....to see what he does understand, what he doesn't, and, when he doesn't, explain further, or, see what he doesn't understand and explain in a different way so that he does..(I know, lot of the time people will say they understand something when they don't.......they might be embarassed, etc, etc, but, you can usually gauge from their answers and responses whether they are just saying it, or they do.....

Yeah, I've tried to toss him some books, show him the thread, explain some things, but....I've actually never tried to get him to understand what the plant simply takes to grow...

Well, honestly? (and fuck whatever people say about that view btw )

Whatever works....(kinda like religion .......) Whatever works, whatever view and approach makes a difference, but, I'd agree with the above....for those who frown on selling , one could use the view of "this will get me, and friends, and family through an entire month....

Just make sure to always estimate yields on low end , and your always good....don't want to be disappointed ....

But, frankly (and, I just had this problem with someone...) your right....

We've all heard partner horror stories......the above...10k? Would they flush 10k in 100's down the toilet?....would they toss 10k onto a fire?........fuckkkkkkkkkk no, and, these matters no different. What's the different between blowing something that wiull bring in 10, and tossing 10 out the window of moving car?...None if you ask me.....

But that's jmo.(and obviously yours ...)

Yeah, well, I actually 'switched' my view, depending on me to raise them/10k in a tray, thinking the money would motivate me more to stay focused, but nah, I'm a simple guy, love kids, I like to think of them as 100 little babies that without me could all die, whatever works, whatever it takes to make sure I have the healthiest plants i can

Well, do when you should man....don't blow it because you feel you have to or should get them out earlier....alter everything so that everything is good and stay on target.....we talkin earlier rounds here? (March-May?....)

Yeah yeah, trying to see if my area is good for spring, def. should have run another strain IMO, but i have some pretty Orange Diesels coming along nicely, actually had some ph issues, and kept in 3in pots for like 5 weeks I think, some of them looked so dead, had all but given up on them, and a few of those are so green and healthy now

The first week of May, we have the same light hours as end of august, so might drop mar 15, pickup may 15, its been a little colder than usual this month

I got some lui on the way, and hoping to straight 12/12 about 10 of those and get some fem seed w/ a CS set, might do a little cross with some menage a trois and the OD, who knows, wanted more stock, but been having financialy struggles since just before xmas...

(Frankly, you should bring it down (download) and check it out, because sounds like you need a break brother ...helps when a lot on your mind (once again, I took that class ......sometimes man, need to focus different unrelated direction to clear the mind......)

hey thanks, appreciate it, I have asked a friend to snag season 1 for me now

 

[GroBoy2000]

"its only after weve lost everything, that we are free to do anything" fight club
my favorite movie

I agree this movie is overlooked, but so many good movies are, been a while since i watched it, either way, thank you, I was wondering who had said that, b/c the fucking phrase aint left my mind since i read it

 

[Julian]

as always, thank you for the words, no refreshment like a clean and clear spring

Whatever I can do man...you sounded like having a problem, and, sometimes, talking about such things with someone who has had same problems helps out a little, and I been there man, ...

is that for growing or progress in general???

you said 50ft??? i wouldnt have expected that at all man, nice to know

Well, can use for both but was referring to specific situation mentioned (plot not used, etc......)

Could be more than 50....I have a couple overview shots somewhere in gallery.....could be more...typical dense forest found many places.....(shot from car/steering wheel is good example.......if those aren't 50 feet more or less...plus, that specific spot was in a valley with about a 30-50ft drop, so....could very well been 100ft from floor to top of surrounding canopy....)

Very well, you are not the first who has brought to my attention how simple vocabulary can weaken and immobilize us sometimes, I've already gotten rid of always, and never, seriously, i dont say it unless it is 100% or absolutely never, so those if, cant, maybe words will just have to sail away

Deeper than that though.....it's what the words really mean....Everything and anything one does becomes part of their "program".....reflected in confidence, ability,etc.....

Anyone/Everyone knows someone who exhibits these things on a consistent basis, and even a stranger can recognize these things......

Whoever you are and whatever you do and however you behave sets limits for you. (high or low).

Point of that though was my guy, newer grower, limited experience, may very well be partially responsible for a 4 figure op this year. Look around and you have veteran people who say such things as "I wouldn't/couldn't do 50..."......(and, this is in no way bashing anyone...we're talking psychology here, nothing more...I can't even think of a specific post, thread, person off the bat...don't care, talking something much more important....)

Is he smarter than many others here?.....absolutely not..(no offense my friend, some extremely intelligent people here....)..more experience?......nope....just a couple indoors of moderate success.....more talented?...well, ops were moderately successful, but, he's not a master by any means (again my friend, don't be offended, I wouldn't refer to myself as a master either...)

Then what's the story?....as above man....he doesn't know it's not possible....he will do fine....he'll be a little surprised at how much work, but, letting him know what to expect, and, this thread giving him an idea exactly what will entail, because will be similar in some respect.

He will have gone from moderately successful smaller indoor guy, with a couple batches under belt, to successful major outdoor weight in 1 season.

Call it what you will .....

Exactly man, no knowledge = no limits sometimes, as much as it might sound the otherway around, the fact is, if you dont know jack about something, you arent hampered with cants

As above..........

Yeah man, was telling a friend this tonight, younger than me, not sure what he wants to do, and I just tell him, if you want it whos stopping you???

Because he's probably doing what everyone does........they want assurances from those who surround them that their thoughts and desires and path is correct, when, yeah, nice to hear, but, really, it always ends up we have to make the move and decide to do for ourselves, regardless of what others may think....

Lot of things, much easier than one thinks........just do it.....people can ponder things indefinitely though....some ponder the same thing their entire lives .....

Yeah, I've tried to toss him some books, show him the thread, explain some things, but....I've actually never tried to get him to understand what the plant simply takes to grow...

Well, maybe rewind and start at the basics and work your way back again.....find out(if you don't know) what he does know, and what he does not, and go from there and fill in the gaps....different people learn different ways...(My usual way of learning is I ask the questions (to fill in my gaps......and, build from there)....

"Training" not an easy thing.......it's "teaching", which is not an easy thing.......each person needs things explained differently....has different thought processes....it's hard work man.....helps when subject is enjoyed and of interest by all.....

Yeah, well, I actually 'switched' my view, depending on me to raise them/10k in a tray, thinking the money would motivate me more to stay focused, but nah, I'm a simple guy, love kids, I like to think of them as 100 little babies that without me could all die, whatever works, whatever it takes to make sure I have the healthiest plants i can

Well, I thought money analogy was perfect (few would toss kids out a car window or flush them down toilet , and, also, you know, that's a more spiritual angle which many don't really follow.......so, I thought the money covered it.....was perfect analogy also......perfect......You know man.......spiritual aspects...50/50 for people at best, so.....I leave that out of it unless I know they are.........

Yeah yeah, trying to see if my area is good for spring, def. should have run another strain IMO, but i have some pretty Orange Diesels coming along nicely, actually had some ph issues, and kept in 3in pots for like 5 weeks I think, some of them looked so dead, had all but given up on them, and a few of those are so green and healthy now

Well, 3" ers for 5 weeks.....sounds pretty tight man......

The first week of May, we have the same light hours as end of august, so might drop mar 15, pickup may 15, its been a little colder than usual this month

I assumed.....

I got some lui on the way, and hoping to straight 12/12 about 10 of those and get some fem seed w/ a CS set, might do a little cross with some menage a trois and the OD, who knows, wanted more stock, but been having financialy struggles since just before xmas...

hey thanks, appreciate it, I have asked a friend to snag season 1 for me now

Yeah, I'm working on a couple things myself ......

You'll like S1.....(all of em.....really, you have to see where and how it goes....you'll be surprised at the depth and complexity of it.., truly....)

 

[Guest]

got t go...

 

[Julian]

Nihilism

I'm not surprised ...

Personally, I drew a lot more out of it, and, really don't understand it to start with. (Sure, the simple explanations I get, but, when it gets farther in, I get lost .....)

For anyone who is curious.

In depth I get lost because sometimes there is a cross over on certain things and I don't see the connection between the two..(quotes and philosophy...)

 

[Julian]

The below is only what I choose to share, and varies regardless.(person, op, people incolved)

Hey Julian.....just curious....When you hire someone on do you allow them to freelance on there own projects or work part time for other growers.

Ideally, people have limited exposure to other things. This is not always the case. Not easy to answer.

Just wondering how strict your conduct code.

I expect nothing from anyone else that I do not provide myself.

I don't have anything to do with anyone who messes with colors....(white, brown, etc). Neither should you. Reasons are endless.

You know, very simple: Don't fuck around.

I take my work and my time seriously. Blood and sweat most know is not an exaggeration or a fun little play on words......

Also how is payment factored in...eg by the job or by the hour?

Early season ideally off back end. Late season can be per job. set fee for set job. All depends. Ideally no one other than partners involved before the end. Self explanatory.

People should just always do what they think is fair, and keeping security in mind.

 

[Julian]

WoW. Reading this thread could change a persons life. It's certainly made a difference in the way I view scrappy bits of land now.

Thanks man. Kind of you to say. (Love the avi btw...)

"scrappy" indeed, eh? .....

(Some of my city spots are definitely "pathetic" themselves , but man do they perform ....)

To be honest I'm only 20 pages in but have a few personal 'issues' surrounding your methodology, namely, machinery. If I'm close enough to civilisation to warrant using machinery someone'll hear it. If I'm out of earshot I'd best never be seen as what the hell am I doing in the bush with a fence auger...

Well, of course, they can't be used anywhere....there are limitations, so...(wish they could, I'd do 3 times more ....) Just something I use and like when able to (location allows), and recommend when others can do the same due to ease.

So, few thoughts running around. I have used pipes before for transplanting out it protects young plants really well. I'm seeing your auger, I'm thinking guerilla styles, and reading the first post on what you put in a hole... and thinking back to the pipe...

And I came up with this idea.

I'm not sure I'm getting it......where is pipe?, what is diameter? what is depth?, what material?. (see, I usually just put the cages in top couple inches before finishing the plant...)

Question - Is there a hand auger that is /collapsible concealable in a backpack?

Not that I know of offhand.....but, I really haven't/didn't look.....one could always take that model apart (bits come separately and are purchased separately, but, we never did, just whole thing....) Different size bits also, that's a 12"....weight is not that extreme...(haven't held in a while.....50lbs?.....60lbs?......smaller bit might shave that down?.....) Really the only models I am familiar with....

I'm thinking 2 1/2 foot lengths of pipe get about 20 - 30 of em even in a good sized backpack. Add well established seedlings for those early runs when going for size.

I think I'm getting it...your talking packing pipe, then sliding out and done?......

Is a 2 foot hole going to cut it?

Depends on what your working with (soil, region), but, for me?, 2-3' x 12" wide is great...(note: as elsewhere, half the season and many times I sink them straight in, top fed, no holes on the no maintenance, so.........a hole period is great for me .....but, yeah, they seem to work well...Couple different angles to it also (could mix in a top feed and dry mix to what is pulled out of hole and fill hole with an offsite mix......sure it would make a huge difference, might in future.....but, would increase supplies dramatically (mass and weight......don't think feasible....new location probably not anyway....)

Is there a tool for this or do I need to make one?

They have manual post diggers (those poles) but, soil might make that impossible to use. They also might have manual hand powered things. I really don't know though....

I think it'll be nice and stealth provided you're out of sight should be a fairly silent and fast operation.

Would speed things up for you at a site with the auger but will of course take more prep time and more room lessening possible numbers.

Well, I don't know........we're pretty quick .....first drills, second dry mix, third plants.......I mean, we're talking quick ....

I am going to change some things also but, have to see when I get to that, and, of course, as I go along, talk, discuss things, plan, start things, things always change too, so....I'm not too firm on anything right now......

 

[Julian]

Looking further....I think I got it.....problems are drilling some gets kicked out, and some falls back in,so, no exact depth every time (soil on site also determines depth and quality....) I do mix though throughout entire hole, not just bottom, also, pots much smaller than hole (most of the time 3" pots in 12" hole with cages. Depends, sometimes the larger 5"ers, and, sometimes other containers, all depends.

 

[Julian]

And, people have to remember....there are actually people who have never seen fight club.

(I saw when came out, hadn't for years and watched again recently because they were running it.....saw it with fresh eyes, greater impact then before, and, in the process, turned about 5 people onto it who had never seen it before because they had pre-conceived notions as to what it was about, etc. (Of course all were very wrong they found after watching it ....Not what most people think and expect ...)

 

[Guest]

Fight Club kind of reminded me of Aleister Crowley speaking about advanced yoga. Peace of mind gained through transcending pain in ever increasing degrees of discomfort. The 'enlightenment' came when the mind could focus despite the pain. Giving the user a means to stay focused no matter what. The 'self' was defeated in order to find self.

You understand focus better'n me, I can tell, I'm a tinkerer, you're a doer.

 

[Julian]

Yeah, well, I actually 'switched' my view, depending on me to raise them/10k in a tray, thinking the money would motivate me more to stay focused, but nah, I'm a simple guy, love kids, I like to think of them as 100 little babies that without me could all die, whatever works, whatever it takes to make sure I have the healthiest plants i can

I wanted to clarify something also that people have varying opinions on, but, all breaks down the same:

10k in bud that one keeps for personal, is still 10k in bud......

Personal or otherwise, it is still time, expense, and effort channeled into something (which is also priceless regardless of personal or otherwise....)

(I like (need? ) my ps just as much as anyone else, so....

 

[Julian]

Fight Club kind of reminded me of Aleister Crowley speaking about advanced yoga. Peace of mind gained through transcending pain in ever increasing degrees of discomfort. The 'enlightenment' came when the mind could focus despite the pain. Giving the user a means to stay focused no matter what. The 'self' was defeated in order to find self.

You understand focus better'n me, I can tell, I'm a tinkerer, you're a doer.

Well, the big thing for me was the whole letting go, and how people cling so tightly to things which don't matter....don't really define who or what they are, etc....which many do, I see everyday, and, do well with myself...(There is little that actually matters to me....I've lightened the load considerably over the years.....sometimes relapse , but, whatever ....

I come from extreme poverty, so......ain't no choice but to do, ya know ..(plus gets a little ridiculous sometimes....Have a dear old friend (smokes) who have been talking to about just doing a batch (for his own ps....would give him plants, ready to flip down, equipment list, very small op..just for his own ps....could have had batch half done already (I give him plants ready to flip down, just a couple, soil, light..already wasted a month pondering it.....)

Pipes... we got a 90mm (just under 4") that looks a good size. The idea being the pipe contains all the goodies for the plants, and the medium is wet before you go. This will make long trips easy (I'm thinking going 1 1/2 days bush to an old hunting site with these...) With a solid protection over the plants, and plenty of water for the trip plus some for the new hole.

Basically they are a saturated and ready to go pre packed 'mini hole'. Albeit smaller than the hole you dig. The newspaper wrapping preserves the moisture further, and the base of it keeps everything in the pipes. Layers of crystals, peat, fert, compost, etc can go in the pipes under the seedling transplanted from it's pot.

When you slide this into a hole you then just backfill with the dirt the auger pulled up, and then slide the pipe out, You should have a well packed hole, ready to go.

Good for numbers up to 2 dozen or so in a pack I think, may have to get the old folding spade though if I can't figure out a good hand auger. Got a 6 month window to come up with it...

Nah, I got it....totally....reminds me of unit's I have seen to germ.....(not separate though, fixed, blocks of many at a time, 6-8-12" tubes.......forgot where I saw them.......)

 

[Guest]

I think poverty is one of the fastest ways to understanding the human condition.

It has been studied and shown that happiness does not come in a financial bracket.

Many of my 'poor' friends seem as driven as you. They'll never be poor again. Some even have what I think is an unreasonable fear of hardship. But they also seem happy, though being human, many are loose round the edges...

I have a personal philosophy - Lifes purpose is to live lifes purpose. It is through our actions that we will gain understanding, through our deeds that we become a part of. Questioning everything, no matter how smart you are, takes so much energy (and everything is not answerable thereby can take ALL your energy trying to 'understand')... Man can get lost looking for answers, and the searching implies he is looking in the wrong direction, not having learnt that all emotional states come from within.

You can think yourself happy but imo it's more a band aid. I prefer the word contentment. Where is contentment found?

You know. I know, but's lets philosophise we're all pretty baked around here.

Life's purpose is to live life's purpose. When 'purposeful' and busy on that path, you will also find yourself content. The journey is as important, if not more so, than the destination.

What REALLY makes people happy (real people not vacuous f***s...)

To contribute and be valued.
Working on and completing projects.
Self provision.
Selfless acts.
Loving others.
Time in nature.
Time with loved ones.
Time with self (once you have purpose you begin to enjoy your own company too)
Integrity in business and personal affairs.


No amount of psychoanalysis will contribute to a persons well being as much as purpose. Without purpose the 'ill' (discontent, sad, lost) remain ill. Continued trips to the doctor only reinforces the ill/victim/hard done by/lost role the person plays and most doctors prefer people this way. (I loved the Fight Club opening in all the support groups - rofl!)

You can't think your way into purpose. You must just DO what is required and the momentum of the initial action will begin to reveal paths - many paths, that were not visible before you begin moving.

Action creates momentum, momentum reveals a larger world, a larger world has more choices.

When life becomes a world of choices you are definately winning the 'personal war'. You already understand that action creates momentum and the path reveals itself merely by walking close enough. To get close enough you start moving. Discontentment is replaced with excitement. Actions, not questions. Purpose.

Hope y don't mind the philosophy hijack....

You're an inspirational man, and a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for (nothing wrong with humility lord knows I could do with more).

Thank you for the time and effort you make here, it really is an outstanding thread.

 

[GroBoy2000]

Hope you dont mind me hanging out with you philosophists

I think poverty is one of the fastest ways to understanding the human condition.

It has been studied and shown that happiness does not come in a financial bracket.

Many of my 'poor' friends seem as driven as you. They'll never be poor again. Some even have what I think is an unreasonable fear of hardship. But they also seem happy, though being human, many are loose round the edges...

Totally agree, it takes experience to know and appreciate, I had the most horrible christmas year ever, 90% bent over backwards and out of my element, but I am trying to make damn sure I dont let it happen again (the other 10% was joy and thanks at the amazing way children just love it no matter what)

Life's purpose is to live life's purpose. When 'purposeful' and busy on that path, you will also find yourself content. The journey is as important, if not more so, than the destination.

What REALLY makes people happy (real people not vacuous f***s...)

Ever heard of your own 'personal legend'? short book, the alchemist, full of wisdom, i definately recommend it to fellow seekers

I read a thing recently, ironically in a church newsletter i believe, that made a lot of sense about just plain happiness, it said,

To be happy, people need 3 things
1. Something/someone to love
2. Something to do
3. Something to hope for

Though I definately agree with time in nature and self

No amount of psychoanalysis will contribute to a persons well being as much as purpose. Without purpose the 'ill' (discontent, sad, lost) remain ill. Continued trips to the doctor only reinforces the ill/victim/hard done by/lost role the person plays and most doctors prefer people this way. (I loved the Fight Club opening in all the support groups - rofl!)

You can't think your way into purpose. You must just DO what is required and the momentum of the initial action will begin to reveal paths - many paths, that were not visible before you begin moving.

Yeah, that makes sense, though I believe you must focus and allow freethinking of what purpose you are advantaged for, but just doing what is necessary(ie, whatever it takes), and letting the momentum build sounds right on

 

[GroBoy2000]

oh BTW, when I said

Totally agree, it takes experience to know and appreciate, I had the most horrible christmas year ever, 90% bent over backwards and out of my element, but I am trying to make damn sure I dont let it happen again (the other 10% was joy and thanks at the amazing way children just love it no matter what)

I meant nothing in a tragic way, just a total mess of everything, b/c of my actions,

so you know, every action will produce a result, every result, is born from our actions, I had been irresponsible, but was somewhat due to steady challenging myself, knowingly out of my element, (glad to challenge myself, but some must just say, I am no mechanic my friend, maybe my specific case, but analogy is there)

didnt want anyone to challenge my 'horrible' christmas, it was, I mean, no cake, no holiday, many headaches, couldnt belive the way some people act towards a man in during the month, but....inspiration to try NEVER and revisit

 

[GroBoy2000]

Could be more than 50....I have a couple overview shots somewhere in gallery.....could be more...typical dense forest found many places.....(shot from car/steering wheel is good example.......if those aren't 50 feet more or less...plus, that specific spot was in a valley with about a 30-50ft drop, so....could very well been 100ft from floor to top of surrounding canopy....)

Wow, thats really news to me man, I tried to always be at least 20ft from anything 20ft tall in general I believe

So, maybe that opens....uhhh....like 5-10 more spots?? at least 3 or 4 off the top of my mind that I remember declining on before

Deeper than that though.....it's what the words really mean....Everything and anything one does becomes part of their "program".....reflected in confidence, ability,etc.....

Anyone/Everyone knows someone who exhibits these things on a consistent basis, and even a stranger can recognize these things......

Whoever you are and whatever you do and however you behave sets limits for you. (high or low).

Its true, what the words really mean, the depth that they have on the pysche, cant really put a value on becoming aware of such things

Because he's probably doing what everyone does........they want assurances from those who surround them that their thoughts and desires and path is correct, when, yeah, nice to hear, but, really, it always ends up we have to make the move and decide to do for ourselves, regardless of what others may think....

For sure, gotta stop looking for any assurance, and realize that ALL of the best are shot down by some of those that are considered the best, jmo anyway

somewhere recently, dont think here, heard something else, a measure of success, which i usually steer away from but liked this one

-A person becomes successful when their own voice becomes louder than the voices around them

something to that extent, not exact, but I agree and try to remember, self-reliance, I know best what I can do

Well, I thought money analogy was perfect (few would toss kids out a car window or flush them down toilet , and, also, you know, that's a more spiritual angle which many don't really follow.......

Well, the money is good too, but, I try not to rely on money for motivation, maybe not truly such a bad thing, (funny, just this year did I realize, 'I cant expect to get a lot of money if I dont like it', and I had bad attitude about money, people who had it, what it means, etc)

Well, 3" ers for 5 weeks.....sounds pretty tight man......

financials man financials, you know, keep burning gas going down the wrong street, lol, I'm on track though I believe now

S1(wire) coming down now, fucking friend, hes youngster, get him into the club the other night, bypass cover, free CDs, and he comes home and fucking stops my download, taking up a whole 40k down/30k up maybe and he fucking kills it, people, lol

 

[Guest]

Secure a tea corp was here.

 

[GorillaGrower]

god damn.. can't believe your all still here!! ; D good stuff about being poor though. I don't think you truly know yourself or someone else.. till their are flat broke.

It helps you realize the important things.. well enough of that.. i'm going to play some video games then choke someone out!!


good to see your still ticking here.. J ... .. man feb.. .. time flys fast.. it'll be june/july before ya know it.

 

[Julian]

I think poverty is one of the fastest ways to understanding the human condition.

It has been studied and shown that happiness does not come in a financial bracket.

Many of my 'poor' friends seem as driven as you. They'll never be poor again. Some even have what I think is an unreasonable fear of hardship. But they also seem happy, though being human, many are loose round the edges...

Well, I would readily acknowledge that in many ways my fears are a little unreasonable...(Unreasonable fear above)....

I would also say I have used the phrase "I've been happier with empty pockets than clothes packed down with, say, $300k", but, it all varies, and, wouldn't be true across the board....can go either way. Problem with money is the more you have the more, obviously, you then have on your mind and the heavier it weighs on you, and, of course, I think the fatal mistake which leads to that is the more people make, the more they spend...and you paint yourself right back into the corner that you were originally....

I'm a big fan of as your income increases, you try and decrease your expenses to a degree...(Every couple months, 6 months, whatever, I sit down and take a serious look at what I should eliminate......etc....things that I am doing that I don't have to, etc, and, I also try to stay "regular".....

Anyone reading this thread knows one of my little pleasures is just a fuckin cheeseburger......

Money is pretty misunderstood across the board......in many ways....

Problem with being poor is those who are, or have been, tend to immediately go out and get "everything they ever wanted", which is of course a mistake (been there, done that......)

anyway....

I have a personal philosophy - Lifes purpose is to live lifes purpose. It is through our actions that we will gain understanding, through our deeds that we become a part of. Questioning everything, no matter how smart you are, takes so much energy (and everything is not answerable thereby can take ALL your energy trying to 'understand')... Man can get lost looking for answers, and the searching implies he is looking in the wrong direction, not having learnt that all emotional states come from within.

wow man......that was very well said........does take too much energy (know that well ....)

You can think yourself happy but imo it's more a band aid. I prefer the word contentment. Where is contentment found?

You know. I know, but's lets philosophise we're all pretty baked around here.

Life's purpose is to live life's purpose. When 'purposeful' and busy on that path, you will also find yourself content. The journey is as important, if not more so, than the destination.

What REALLY makes people happy (real people not vacuous f***s...)

To contribute and be valued.
Working on and completing projects.
Self provision.
Selfless acts.
Loving others.
Time in nature.
Time with loved ones.
Time with self (once you have purpose you begin to enjoy your own company too)
Integrity in business and personal affairs.

No amount of psychoanalysis will contribute to a persons well being as much as purpose. Without purpose the 'ill' (discontent, sad, lost) remain ill. Continued trips to the doctor only reinforces the ill/victim/hard done by/lost role the person plays and most doctors prefer people this way. (I loved the Fight Club opening in all the support groups - rofl!)

You can't think your way into purpose. You must just DO what is required and the momentum of the initial action will begin to reveal paths - many paths, that were not visible before you begin moving.

Action creates momentum, momentum reveals a larger world, a larger world has more choices.

When life becomes a world of choices you are definately winning the 'personal war'. You already understand that action creates momentum and the path reveals itself merely by walking close enough. To get close enough you start moving. Discontentment is replaced with excitement. Actions, not questions. Purpose.

Hope y don't mind the philosophy hijack....

Not at all man....frankly one of those things I'm going to have to read twice (and I'm not even high atm ....)

Feel free....another angle not recognize...(ie: What does it have to do with growing?....well, from where I sit, everything.....

Everything man......everything......Ones mindset, demeanor, philosophy about any and everything, etc, all can directly feed and reflect on their ops and actions if you ask me......so......

You're an inspirational man, and a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for (nothing wrong with humility lord knows I could do with more).

Well, I don't know to be honest, and I'd be happy if that was true actually....and, very kind of you to say.....

I try to know my place in world, who I am, etc, and, sometimes might be a little less, but, seems a better placer to stand that the opposite ...

Would rather be known for the latter than the former.....

Thank you for the time and effort you make here, it really is an outstanding thread.

Thanks man.....very, very kind of you to say....(truly...I'm humbled of use and interest...)..just talkin, ya know....