MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Oh I could run a Wal Mart by myself. Everything would suffer and I'd be a mess but yeah I could run it by myself.

No you couldn't, even assuming for a moment one could is an absolute absurdity.

While my analogy may not have been 100% accurate, it is still 100% applicable.

I guess old fool is pointing out that even as a totally inept sole administrator of Wallmart, the risk of losing that most prized human posession - FREEDOM, would be zero, which is a way better deal than the perils in store for anyone running Budmart with assistance from a cast of dozens who all must be absolutely trustworthy to keep lady luck happy.

Partnerships, partners usually not a discussion which many agree upon, but, with all due respect to any and all, it's usually a discussion in which most participants speak about something they are convinced, yet have no experience in with themselves, or , usually, one encounter.

There is no grow related op of any size that I know of which exists that exposure is 0, and, the valid reasons and benefits of the above are too numerous for me to list. Might have been earlier in thread.

 

[Julian]

good criteria, but Im wandering if you work with people who would also never harm anyone, the kinda guy thats good-hearted, works all the time, but just doesnt have the nuts to get confrontational

Criteria was just an example, an overview to illustrate how minor characteristics of people can be viewed to give you an accurate idea of someone, and who they are, what they're about, etc, etc.

The above qualities and type of person are something that similarly, could be easily observed and uncovered by a simple brief sit down and exchange.

While many scenarios in life may be similar, all are indeed different to a degree, so, you use what you know and go with that.

The above would interest me....but, I'd ask a lot of questions and talk a lot to find out how they feel and what they do in certain situations.

I'm a firm believer of making people aware of every aspect before they lift a finger, so they know what they're getting into.

anyway, fuckin a, trying to put money in someones pocket, and they wont even pull on their fucking pants

I'm way ahead of ya.

Was talking to someone this week about future op, their participation, and, they demonstrated such extreme paranoia about it, and, I had to point out to them that they are more paranoid discussing it, then I am during the entire course of season combined...

Most don't seem to understand the "season".........

I'd be glad to explain:
1.Prep and planting: Not a problem.......they're small, chances of discovery (or even finding them if you wait too long between visits) is about as miniscule as one can get.

2. Some veg growth: Still not an issue, they're overshadowed by almost everything around them.....

3.Late veg/early flower: If planted early, now it starts to be a potential problem...(July/August).....they've built some size, can be spotted more easily, but, not easy...

4. Full blown flower/Last 3-4 weeks: There's your real risk. The entire season breaks down to last 3-4 weeks.You've got your stretching....you've got your typical profile which almost all on earth have seen at one time or another...but, bright side is, it's only 3-4 weeks of true exposure and risk.

You plant later, they stay smaller?....your right back at that 3-4 weeks, with months of veg time prep and visits bypassed.

Season? Risk?......

All boils down to 3-4 weeks (and then cutting and transport,.)

Now, the reason I just shared that is because a lot of people tend to succumb to the paranoia a little more than others, and, sometimes, can be the reason for such behavior. (ie: The farther they get into it, the more unsure they become about their participation because they're paranoid.....) This is sometimes a reason for erratic behavior.Paranoia,Uncertainty,etc...which is understandable and can be overcome through discussion, etc.......

I don't consider myself "stupid".......and, taking it one further, I'm not doing one if there is the slightest doubt it will not be successful.....If there is any question in my mind?.....I'm not doing that spot/op. You have "X Factor" issues, but, apply to anything anywhere. This is not to say I am not aware of many things, but, if you have doubts to start with, then it's wrong. Move on.

My next one might just be done late. Minimal risk. Minimal exposure, and, as above: Planting 100% safe. Smaller/Veg? 100% safe. last 3 weeks of flower? The issue.

Entire season reduced to 3-4 weeks risk.

Whatever....had a point, sure touched on it............

Most fears come out of things that one does not know or understand.

 

[Julian]

Never heard of him,

Dude.......you've never heard of Henry Rollins?

Where would we start......

He's got a show now also, I like "Letters from Henry".

Good show.....interviews....... Letters from Henry.....music guests....etc....

 

[Julian]

To continue on above. Several angles:

Is it right for a man to do well, and enable others to do well, and not enable and provide them so?

Is it any less right when such might even be lifelong friends?

You know....I do understand the thoughts of man....I truly do. Nice, warm and safe.

The truth of the matter is things holding some significance are rarely achieved from such, let alone by oneself. Alone.

This is a fact.

Want to make more? Want to sell more? Want to do more? (and still maintain a "regular" life?)

Good luck. Let me know how that turns out.

So, while I do know, understand, and acknowledge all possible pitfalls, what I desire and seek makes them necessary, and, they are not things, procedures, etc, that I am unfamiliar with.

Some work, some don't, some bring joy and prosperity, and some don't.

You can control most parts affecting your own decisions (screening, what you let slip to who and when, limiting their knowledge of any one of many facets of it in it's entirety.....)

My opinions and views and behavior may vary well vary from others, and, I may even be wrong at any given time, but, I stand firmly behind my actions, and, usually do not decide on a course of action that has not been given far too much thought prior to it....

It is what it is.

Yeah........alone,safe and warm is nice, but, usually not going to get one as far as is possible.

To do that, you have to break out.......take risks......(albeit calculated).....I see it as merely a "talent scout" .......and, my record is impressive to me (all that matters)......couple go bad here and there......the knowledge they possess and damage they can do is somewhat limited......so...it is what it is.....I usually take that into consideration at any given time when sharing...(ie: "How can this be used against me in future in worse case scenario"....)

I've been "warm and fuzzy"......and learned long ago not going to come close to getting me where I need to go, and, since I tend to help others.......well, certainly of no help for them either...(As they would never benefit/have benefited.....so....)

I have many things to make up to the world for......(attonement for evils done, etc, shit like that.......) so.....I don't fear the path taken trying to help others.....and, if such is in store for me?....then so be it.....as long as my family is provided for....I fear nothing.....

I could easily go into a list of my favorite stories about such risks and end results..............service industry people ....others........stuff like that, but......whatever.....it's been shared to one degree or another.......point made......

I've done hundreds of partnerships over the years...all at different levels.....and, really?, in the end?....only 1 serious regret comes to mind........couple from when very young I think were true scumbags....POS's.......didn't turn out well.....and, last couple of years....one that was several years that , while it did not end well, didn't lead to security breach, and, most current disappointments, well.....I'm rethinking my position on one.....maybe too hard on them......they know their mistakes........I am starting to believe mistakes were truly that, and no ill intentions.........no ill wishes....so......rethinking my position......good guy, with good intentions......just doesn't share my level of fanaticism.....my hardcore edge....which many don't....I go over the top a little too easy these days sometimes.....so...

anyway....sure points are made......all in all, years and years?.....only 1 very bad one coming to mind isn't that bad in whole scheme of things.....either a testament to my skill at screening, an illustration of my luck, or, maybe, just a combination of both...

 

[frostynugs420]

yea, not to put out too much information, but ive been a nickel and dime drug dealer since i was 16 (coming up on 5 years now) and i have a problem with being TOO comfortable. ill find myself wanting to plant in unsafe spots, and i catch myself being too comfortable all the time. ive recently tried thinking about it differently and its working pretty good...
any suggestions about getting too comfortable with a spot/s?
im not stupid, i just sometimes wanna get greedy...i know you have some type of formula or something....after all....YOU ARE THE MAN

 

[marto]

Well i guess if john gotti lasted as long as he did with all his dumb moves your probly safe for a lifetime. But you didnt paint a very rosy picture of this new guy on that huuuuge project your looking into. I think you said he was disrespectful and made an insulting offer. Did you guys make peace

 

[guineapig]

Very wise words Julian.....hopefully the young and brazen will heed your advice accumulated from years of experience.....

Definately you remind me of Tom Forcade, the founder of high times.....you have a great literary style, hopefully we could meet one day and put together a book!!! That would be fantastic....

Thanks for sharing your wisdom....

kind regards from guineapig

 

[Julian]

yea, not to put out too much information,

Kinda too late for that eh? You should edit that.....

i have a problem with being TOO comfortable.

ill find myself wanting to plant in unsafe spots, and i catch myself being too comfortable all the time.

ive recently tried thinking about it differently and its working pretty good...
any suggestions about getting too comfortable with a spot/s?

Well, takes a man to sum up years of their life in such an unflattering way , so......and, obviously, that being said (what you did)....would assume a change for the better (increase) desirable, right?.....

Your too comfortable because you've "made it this far" with no problems.....become a little desensitized because of it, but, rest assured man, the threat never decreases as time goes on (the reverse actually....talking statistical odds...)

"Unsafe" spots.....well, a whole different topic, and, a little misunderstood. Lot would call my city spots such, but, how is a spot with no traffic and least suspected fall under "unsafe"....so....

Sounds like your aware of mindset.....actions......so, do something about it man....Awareness of how and why one thinks how they do half the battle...(other half is actually altering behavior based upon what you know.....)

Easy for one to get too comfortable....probably not a person here not guilty of it at some point or another......

you didnt paint a very rosy picture of this new guy on that huuuuge project your looking into. I think you said he was disrespectful and made an insulting offer. Did you guys make peace

Wasn't my guy, was landowner(s),. I took certain things as such (maybe they were, maybe they weren't...maybe just me.......I didn't/don't feel my request unreasonable in "whole scheme of things".....That's on backburner at the moment (have other things need addressing currently, that can wait, not going to start it tomorrow even if everything fine, so....)

I have no more to add about that specific situation/operation for now. Said all I want to and maybe more than I should.

Very wise words Julian.....hopefully the young and brazen will heed your advice accumulated from years of experience.....

Well, thanks man. We all were at some point, no? (young and brazen ).....and, sometimes?....well, that helps and things work out pretty good......Best thing one can do if those are present is at least be aware of the environment......what they're up against....what they face.....You know....whole business in general (growing outdoors).....I mean, certainly not sane to start with ......Dare I say "brazen" maybe an essential ingredient, even with a "safe" spot........right?

Definately you remind me of Tom Forcade, the founder of high times.....you have a great literary style, hopefully we could meet one day and put together a book!!! That would be fantastic....

Thanks for sharing your wisdom....

Well, thanks man.......I'm humbled......sincerely......I have some things I'd like to put in writing one day .....

 

[vod]

You talk about family men. What about single mothers?
Just had a very interesting conversation with one such.
I think a single mother is even better a potential partner than a family men.

And what better stealth for a modest grow op can you imagine than two single mothers in a house in a little village. The community knows them and likes them and doesn't suspect of anything.

 

[Julian]

Okay........I think it's about time we had a test ......

Anyone care to try that one?

Lot of angles to that........

I don't have the time right now, but, will be back later on (waiting for last and final episode of Wire, that is, if they are running the finale on ondemand this week, and not next week ).....

That's a good scenario and question. Lot of angles to that one .

 

[Guest]

A single Mother is an excellent front when you're on walkabout. Lovers enjoying nature. Lot of girls got attitude today too - something to prove - we got a steel worker, she keeps up with all but the fastest climbers.

If you sleep with your business partner - you're fucked. So don't.

 

[Julian]

You talk about family men. What about single mothers?
Just had a very interesting conversation with one such.
I think a single mother is even better a potential partner than a family men.

And what better stealth for a modest grow op can you imagine than two single mothers in a house in a little village. The community knows them and likes them and doesn't suspect of anything.

Okay........I think it's about time we had a test ......

Anyone care to try that one?

Lot of angles to that........

I don't have the time right now, but, will be back later on (waiting for last and final episode of Wire, that is, if they are running the finale on ondemand this week, and not next week ).....

That's a good scenario and question. Lot of angles to that one .

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Woman with kid = do anything to stay out of jail. She gets pulled over and gets simple possession she will snitch out the entire operation to avoid even a 30 day suspended.

Hasn't 20 years of Cops taught us anything?

 

[Guest]

Nice point George.

 

[Julian]

Woman with kid = do anything to stay out of jail. She gets pulled over and gets simple possession she will snitch out the entire operation to avoid even a 30 day suspended.

One angle.

Hasn't 20 years of Cops taught us anything?

My favorite episode, and, I'll remember it forever was a complete climb up all the way u the ladder for green, starting with a 1/4 z traffic stop. (Which guy would have got probation anyway......) End bust was laughable.....(large)

Before I say anything else I should say I absolutely adore women......to absolute absurd levels...(bear with me, going into a rant/comedic routine here )......but, one has to always realize everything as it is (especially when talking security matters which could very well result in prison, loss of assets, etc,etc......), but, the truth of the matter is "Honor"...."Loyalty"...."Respect"............these words and others are spoken by men, on a battlefield...they are not "feminine" words, and the phrases which contain these words are not often spoken by women.....

(Remember the importance above of one being programmed through the words they use? )

Now, before a woman reads this and taken offense, let me explain it another way:

I love chocolate cake also, but, the truth of the matter is, it makes my ass fat when I fuck with it.......so...... ......


It merely is what it is.....despite all it's wonderful qualities and the immediate rewards I draw from it

You talk about family men. What about single mothers?
Just had a very interesting conversation with one such.
I think a single mother is even better a potential partner than a family men.

A single mother is definitely best off for herself, that's for sure ...

(Can't leave out the joke that I firmly believe in supporting single mothers )

When a woman, a child, a man, and an arrest and or prison comes into play, it's easy to point out which of those listed will get the worst end of the stick .....)

South Florida has more stash houses than anyone can imagine, and, safest is always a family, straight laced, quiet, community oriented, etc, that one visits rarely. (No traffic, etc)

So, like all, depends on what level they are at.

Now, it's also true that with anyone, anywhere, as earlier, one can also simply limit what one uses a specific person for (as compared to eliminating someone completely who may be an old , trusted, solid friend or companion because they are unable to complete tasks requiring more than something simple....)

(I have a longstanding arrangement with certain people: "Don't tell me something that you will have me to kill to protect yourself if something happens when I don't need to know in the first place"...This way, your safe, cause don't really know anything, and they know you don't know anything so one less source in their search for problem........

And what better stealth for a modest grow op can you imagine than two single mothers in a house in a little village. The community knows them and likes them and doesn't suspect of anything.

Different angle and completely different picture........ (bear with me)...

2 single women, 2 children, and a man?...... How about that scenario?

Same result as above

Now, on a different note: If anyone allows such to have sensitive information, and that woman is close to you?

She shouldn't have to say anything because one shouldn't let her take the rap in the first place...a "Man" shouldn't put his loved ones in that position, and, if he does, should take full heat.

I think 2 women working together is an unstoppable and very dangerous force with absolutely no limits .....because, while the above qualities are ones which we expect men to have, the flip side is the things which are of importance intellectually can be found on the womans side unfortunately....(ie: as above......logic,reason,understanding,etc", are more easily found among women then men..(Talking about the world, not in relationships .....)

Flip side of that is most women (average, etc) don't seem to have any firm grasp of how importance silence is regarding ones activities..

Sure, when they are the ones they are protecting, they might do very well.......

Depends what they were doing.....2 women?......grow?......might do fine , but, then again, would depend on security and something just came to mind which is I think your talking about Europe...which is yet another angle because the "average" European woman is much, much, much different than the "average American woman"......... Night and day....Europeans have a better sense of many things than others do (as do Asian, Latin,etc......) Many other countries and regions one can find a lot of characteristics that are harder to find in US.......

I think 2 women together can't lose any way you slice it .....if one must be associated in some cases for one reason or another, necessity?, well, than the option is just to limit ones knowledge and exposure in the first place......

I don't tell a lot of people a lot of things and many people run in different circles and never cross each others path ....possibly here and there now and then, but, nothing getting in depth because all involved don't know what others know, if anything, and wouldn't talk about anything specific in those settings anyway...(Not going to go in depth about sensitive shit in presence of someone you don't really know)

Sure I left a couple things out..........season finale , and, last episode ever of show coming up in couple hours.. I'm distracted (Sure to be a fitting and satisfactory end for greatest work ever aired......)

 

[Julian]

I wanted to add something to illustrate the point(s) above a little further....(and usually my counter to women who are offended and think point can be argued )

It's quite interesting I think

To anyone, of any age, in any country, of any religion:
Name men who have died for a cause (be it religion, politics, country, honor, principle, etc.....)

(We'd be sitting here forever.....it would literally be a list without an end...)

Okay.......

Now name the women.......

I don't really see anything that illustrates the point more than that........

 

[Julian]

I do still love them just the way they are ....(Just like cheeseburgers ....)

I just know how things are.......historical patterns....statistics...etc.....I'm a realist.....

I do also believe btw women are better growers....(my old joke was women are better, men obsessed with size .....Largest ops always male dominated...always have been....).....that of course also coinciding with female characteristics....(nurturing,etc....) Growing suits them well. Have never seen a "bad" woman grower...(green thumb a given.....)

 

[Stalldaworld]

interesting points about women there julian, you tread on shaky ground.
I for one would like to see more women taking part in the growing aspect...cant dispute that they would be pretty darn good at it.

end of the wire is upon us...im depressed

 

[tripples]

did i miss the sunday meeting? you know what we say at these meetings.. keep coming back

 

[Julian]

interesting points about women there julian, you tread on shaky ground.

I as in "one" treads on shaky ground?, or I tread on shaky ground with women by my statements?

(Whattttttttttttt?....where's your list of women?. Finished it quick, didn't ya ....)

I for one would like to see more women taking part in the growing aspect...cant dispute that they would be pretty darn good at it.

Well, quite a few around (here) and I am sure quite a few more that are not, and, as time goes on, and, the mainstream public watches more seasons of "Weeds", I am sure we will see a surge .....

You ever see one here?...and they're fuckin great (growers).......it's in their nature...

But, see, also not on their nature is these kinds of business's......these matters..illegal business's....doesn't fit the profile of most psychologically....

As above though.....believe them to be superior growers if they have green thumb and apply themselves, but, they don't tend to go at it at the levels many do.....(some do, of course...)...

Sure point made....jmo on various things, ending with them talented ...

end of the wire is upon us...im depressed

While I am sad to see it go ......I find I am "satisfied" ...which is very important after many years of Soprano's and let down.........I find myself more happy and excited (to see next lately) than thinking about it over...so, I suppose a good sign....really only show left I watch....been watching "Breaking Bad", and, worked it into my Sunday night deal (Breaking Bad, current Wire, then new on ondemand following....) I watch Weeds when on (not even fuckin close..in same ballpark.....) and was lovin "Dexter", but, not on and no idea when they start....that's really all I watch...I don't even watch news anymore (read from 10 different sources, etc....) but, not the same anyway....(Breaking Bad is really surprising me......first couple whole episodes online on site (AMC?...sent to couple people......pretty much everyone who has watched it has turned into a serious fan...going on like, episode 5 of first season now?.....)

Anyway.....yeah man......just looked at clock and see getting there (Breaking Bad/current wire/last...)

Finale has not been confirmed btw as being aired tonight, sooooooooo...(They might skip it due and play "live" next week prime time, but, haven't seen concrete comment from official source....)

Whatever....either way I am satisfied.....don't feel let down..(on the contrary.....blown away the more I watch since first episode, fiorst season and never let up...) Great show....(word always bothers me.."show" is an understatement.....)

did i miss the sunday meeting? you know what we say at these meetings.. keep coming back

I go on Tuesdays ...