MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[antimatter]

The 730 lights were not 1k I think 400's or 600's but still a lot. I figure 2 1/2 years they cropped out a lot and all that money is sitting somewhere, I doubt the financier went down so he made a pretty big cut I imagine. I imagine they bought all there clones from a factory so really all the work they did was changing out reservoirs and pruning/harvest, and only running the one room with sog.

In regards to the af, I had some bad luck and all those footballs turned out to be this super airy phenotype that I was yanking at my other spot so I had to toss most of it.. still got 1 spot that will do me well though, I really hope its my stock that is taking so long June 15 to now and just finishing up maybe another week for some ?? the hell, got alot of hermis from these fems; bad enough that I don't ever wanna be the one making feminized seeds again, i'll leave that to the professional breeders- like female seeds. I hope you have better luck then I did, if I ever run em again it'll be mf.

 

[Ipsissimus]

I've done a flop setup before (manually actually, PITA!). I fail to see the advantage of staggering within the 12 hour cycle other than having the effect of a light mover. When you say 8k bulbs 2k draw, you are harvesting the equivalent of a 4k no flip setup, no? I'm hoping I'm wrong

Regarding the 1K per room rule of thumb - do agree with the prevalent attitude that if your pay your bill on time and you're not already being watched, power consumption should not play a role in attracting attention? 1K per room seems like you might fly under the radar if they were profiling a neighborhood - have times changed since it had only happened in Austin, TX?

 

[Julian]

The 730 lights were not 1k I think 400's or 600's but still a lot. I figure 2 1/2 years they cropped out a lot and all that money is sitting somewhere,

YYYYYyeah. .....(a lot)...or it (money) was used to set up 10 more elsewhere that are still going ....

In regards to the af, I had some bad luck and all those footballs turned out to be this super airy phenotype that I was yanking at my other spot so I had to toss most of it.. still got 1 spot that will do me well though, I really hope its my stock that is taking so long June 15 to now and just finishing up maybe another week for some ?? the hell, got alot of hermis from these fems; bad enough that I don't ever wanna be the one making feminized seeds again, i'll leave that to the professional breeders- like female seeds. I hope you have better luck then I did, if I ever run em again it'll be mf.

Really?....(still finishing up)....longest finish I've heard so far.....

Not my primary area, but wouldn't hermi ratio of stock be due to the stability of original stock?, or something related to seasons issues? (which could be any number of things....) I've never really had too many issues with fem stock.....FMS above always good results...no problems, and others also, never had a problem.....I would think if was procedural issue (treatment, initial creation), that would affect the outcome (success period..), more than upsetting stability...

You know...AF's, for me?....really only desirable for earlier run....otherwise, could go with anything else and be fine, and have a wider selection of things....time frame seems to fall within anything else, in or out...for the most part....

Not sure what you used (CS,STS,etc), and, many will place one method over another, but of course success has been demonstrated from all of them....so......As with any problem......could be potentially any number of factors.....I'm sorry to hear all not as desired....I'm still going to go ahead with that, but, key is won't be my primary to rely on for that first run.....and will go from there....just something I'd really like to try.....but, all the above thing have considered....(Chem I found?....only available in fem, so...of course, have a concern if try and run a stock run from them, might create a potential problem, so, that's been a factor also.....)

Did also of course go through that if smaller, easier to sex, and M/F stable and less chance of problems, so....another factor have considered...but with numbers and spacing, it's sometimes a problem (and a pita) to get in there and sex...(more attention, labor, exposure etc....)

You said toss it.....how was quality?....I assume into bubble piles, etc?...(one reason why going to run many different things....and, quite a selection.....last count almost 70 different things from different sources, so......) Spot I have to run them though is also full sun, will be prepped, etc....going to cover as many bases as possible....luckily have quite a bit to go on from people....

I've done a flop setup before (manually actually, PITA!). I fail to see the advantage of staggering within the 12 hour cycle other than having the effect of a light mover. When you say 8k bulbs 2k draw, you are harvesting the equivalent of a 4k no flip setup, no? I'm hoping I'm wrong

I wouldn't think so, because then if there is no advantage, no upside, why would it be done at all by anyone?....(Flip always serves it's purpose, the question is staggered...ie: Your example would mean a 4k flip/2k (or 6's, 2400/2400)......I think coverage an issue, but, fail to see any increase (or even a decrease).....but would think 16 6's going to yield more than 8 if decent coverage, etc....but like anything....would also assume all in the details......ie: Strain, spacing, coverage, everything else in line, CO2, etc.....)

We'll see....Indoors 101: Set up with tear down in mind, so, going to run it, if the numbers don't come through, will adjust (easily) and go from there, split it up and send extra somewhere else, etc.....but, I'd think a 25+% increase would be reasonable...or a mid point between the 4-8.....say to a 6 would be fine).....Been done for many years by many...and we all know this group If wasn't efficient, effective, worthwhile, would have been discarded long ago....(Bottom line.....anything extra that can be pulled over and beyond from space is worthwhile....every sq. ft. important, every extra z/p pulled....) Think all depends on scenario......tight sog, your going to get better coverage than larger things, and, trees?, well, that would be debatable as many rotate anyway,so......and on and on....

We'll see......I'm going to keep a tight watch on bottom line....if I see not effective, worse case scenario will bust up the stagger, go straight, split it and send to another location...(and have that set up and running within couple days and not miss a beat anyway, so......really no downside on my end....)

Regarding the 1K per room rule of thumb - do agree with the prevalent attitude that if your pay your bill on time and you're not already being watched, power consumption should not play a role in attracting attention? 1K per room seems like you might fly under the radar if they were profiling a neighborhood - have times changed since it had only happened in Austin, TX?

Well....that's always been a "rule of thumb", but, of course, it's always based on what?.......Interestingly enough, everything I reviewed were indeed 3-5bdrms, and fell between 2-4k, which comes pretty close, but again, you have all those little specifics, so.......but, seems to come close to averages I looked at, so.....(But of course, I based that on direct review of utilities, so.....I don't know how any one else has/had arrived at that....as few who state(d) it have actually anything to base that declaration on......etc...

 

[Ipsissimus]

I saw your quadruple light to ballast ratios (unless I misunderstood) and was wondering if there was some other advantage over your standard 12/12 flop, other than light coverage (and double bulb life). I do see how it would provide better light coverage, @ a cheaper cost than light movers (which seem like they could be a pita on a large scale), but it seems like essentially the same benefit to me. Just trying to understand the reasoning behind 4/1 light/ballast.

Regarding the 1K per room rule of thumb - do agree with the prevalent attitude that if your pay your bill on time and you're not already being watched, power consumption should not play a role in attracting attention? 1K per room seems like you might fly under the radar if they were profiling a neighborhood - have times changed since it had only happened in Austin, TX?

I only ask because your interest in normal power consumption suggest it does place one at added risk to go beyond the 1k per room, to me. True? The attitude I often encounter is that if they're looking at you're power records than you're already in trouble. I do see how with a flip and a 3 bedroom, a continuous 3k draw will definitely pay the bills. (6# per month dialed in possible).

 

[antimatter]

The problem with breeding autos for making fem stock is that you can't select plants and take clones, its a one shot deal.. the pros go through various stress testing to find the perfect female to breed with not the case with autos.

 

[Julian]

I saw your quadruple light to ballast ratios (unless I misunderstood) and was wondering if there was some other advantage over your standard 12/12 flop, other than light coverage (and double bulb life). I do see how it would provide better light coverage, @ a cheaper cost than light movers (which seem like they could be a pita on a large scale), but it seems like essentially the same benefit to me. Just trying to understand the reasoning behind 4/1 light/ballast.

Well, staggered, your running half each room at a time, half the continual draw. No, not total coverage per light, but, I think not an insignificant mount of overlapping, especially if towards sog. Vertical?, larger?....well, have been thinking about it...haven't arrived though at a concrete decision whether it would be worth it, beneficial, although, as above, many do rotate (plants , per day) anyway....

If running 4 at a time, 8 per room, 2 rooms 8, total 16, would ones pull be identical to a complete 8/8?.....I'm certain that wouldn't be the case...positive.....Then the question is would one pull the same as a 4/4?....(instead of 8/8 staggered?)........ehhhhh, I'm almost certain yield would fall somewhere between the 2......and, again...depending on method?.....I think a significant difference...(SOG.....as definitely benefit to overlap, and would be utilized...throw CO2 into the mix?, and I think halfway point between straight 4 and straight 8 would probably be the case (but running low end of power)....

My issue as of late is numbers......so.....trying to figure out an effective balance between all factors....(which in the end might very well might lead to a vertical tree with increased bulbs going and spacing......maybe a 6/12/24 with 6's........), 4 x 3 layout as above could lend itself well to many possibilities......haven't set up yet, so.....as gets closer, will be putting more and more serious thought into it and mapping things out.....but, as above, I think a mid point between the 2 is reasonable....(again, strain/yield, method, CO2 all an issue, etc.....heavier strain, CO2?....well, that in itself might boost bottom line quite a bit.....everything relative as we all know.....in or out, large or small, any method and approach....every one carries 100 details which can affect outcome in varying degrees.....

Only what I am contemplating and playing with...and, will be on first runs bottom line results very closely and go from there...but these going to be set up far more mobile than previously....have considered also multiple tents (larger) with main room the lung, etc, stuff like that.....

I only ask because your interest in normal power consumption suggest it does place one at added risk to go beyond the 1k per room, to me. True? The attitude I often encounter is that if they're looking at you're power records than you're already in trouble. I do see how with a flip and a 3 bedroom, a continuous 3k draw will definitely pay the bills. (6# per month dialed in possible).

1. Highlighted above: I think anything out of the norm increases ones risk, and the lower the draw the better, anywhere, anytime....

I've done all these things in and out for quite a long time.....and yet here I sit...some would consider me "too" cautious.....

Yet here I sit .....

The additional valid, and another fine line....could just go 4/4 straight with 1k's in several places, and work it hard and tight....and results would be adequate.....(even 4-6's, a 4/4, even less power but if done well and tight extremely affective if several set up...(which again leads to limiting activity and exposure...)....I've always preferred several small, and separate than single large...ie:4- 4/8/16 6's....(2400w draw before extras) is much more attractive than a 16/32/48 ...(or if 1k's....a 10/20/40.....or if straight a 10/20........so, for me other factors involved.....

Yeah....I'm coming off a pair of bad seasons......yeah, I had some problems, etc......

But here I sit ......so...I believe a fine line in calculated/ing risk...exposure...

What is acceptable and what is not?.....varies per property, location, individual, environment, and so on.....

If there is any question if one is going too much/too high?

That very thought (to me) answers the question in itself ...

Let's bust out the Green 420 series calculator for a moment:
4-5-10 small (safe) ones (2-4k draw) bring in 1000 times more than a 40k that's lost .....(and that takes everyone down with it.....)

I got excited the other day seeing a larger commercial space.....and then?.......couldn't care less and had no interest....larger you go, shorter the location and operations life span becomes.....(Did discuss maybe 4/6 (flip) extremely large hit and runs....6 months it tight and running something on quicker side.....but....eh....right now?....I need safe as much as I need some extra green.....so......

All just my personal opinion and view.....(and larger having to do with relying heavier on more people, which hasn't gotten me anything of value last 2 years, so...maybe another reason why less attractive....)

Note: Not to mention, if numbers are controlled with the smaller and worse case scenario occurs....still an out....still could end up not really touching anyone significantly......you break the line on size?, and, you've got a serious problem if it goes south.....very serious, especially if sog....so....lower draw, several locations preferable to me...always has been actually.....I'd much rather have 10 2-3-4k's than a single larger one(s), and, when you start to hit the multiples, another benefit is once going?.....it's basically coming in left and right , which is always nice also....could even hit something weekly if staggered right, so....(4 rooms will get you bi weekly, so...4/8/16 was thinking of that already....4 spaces, 4 lights each, etc), so....

As always...options are limitless....100 different ways to do things...

 

[Julian]

The problem with breeding autos for making fem stock is that you can't select plants and take clones, its a one shot deal.. the pros go through various stress testing to find the perfect female to breed with not the case with autos.

Well, and, that's another reason why I wanted to run many things.....of course I don't assume any single thing run will come out exactly as one desires, so.....that was in initial thoughts originally....going with many things, and having results which would most likely vary and cover the entire range of outcomes......(Which is always the case anyway basically when run is from seed.....going to get quite a variance in many things,so.....)

I have thought also (for many reasons) about just going M/F...but, again, while reduces problems in one area (stability issues, etc), creates others equally significant (maintenance, sexing, which lead to greater exposure, etc.....)

I've seen many out get quite large also.....so....that's another factor.....ie: If they could be sexed at 6"?.......well....that might be fine, but, from everything I have seen...outdoors?...probably not the case......(and initially had a greater interest in the larger things......but, given what we see outdoors?....maybe the "smaller", "lower" producing ones might be better suited......ie: If the 2 footers are going to hit 5 outside, then maybe the 1 footers will hit 2-3 outside, etc.......(again, a reason why I wanted to do a wide range of things......see what best suits what I desire.......)

 

[buddymate]

You mentioned FMS Julian,I had e-mail from them last week,Maroc and Early Sativa will be back on the shelves January.

 

[BubsNugs]

Howdy folks.

More excellent info julian. Intresting this twist on the flip theme. Just wondering if the co2 will be as benificial with less light??? It cant hurt but i wonder if it would be near as good as it can help in a room with the perfect lighting??

I want to thank you again for all the info and perhaps even more importantly some of the insights you have shared concerning being a success and "gettin er done" I really need to get my shit together I am disabled and in a lot of pain but I need to get my shit together in order to really change my life im so sick of the way im living but thankfully i realize i have no one but myself to blame. Which of course means that I can make some real progress if I only can get a fuckin grip and make it work for me.

Take care of yourself Julian and everyone else thats been part of this awsome thread. I really hope I can have some excellent results to share in the future like its been said theres allways a next season or next round and a good pull can make a lot of difference.

Peace

 

[dazednconfused]

lol julia....offended your e-ego...sorry buddy. Didn't mean to knock ya off your perch of arrogance.

I noticed you have done some research, congrats. This tent you speak of is for seedling and starts that are placed outdoor. Not 1300w exactly, a bit off but good try.

The mention of plants and the use of urea, yea it works well. No, I don't fertilize cannabis with it. Never said I have, nor will I begin. It is strictly for surrounding vegetation. I don't even know why you brought this up, its a useful tip that maybe you should implement.

Julia, I didn't know you played for the WNBA.

 

[antimatter]

Well, and, that's another reason why I wanted to run many things.....of course I don't assume any single thing run will come out exactly as one desires, so.....that was in initial thoughts originally....going with many things, and having results which would most likely vary and cover the entire range of outcomes......(Which is always the case anyway basically when run is from seed.....going to get quite a variance in many things,so.....)

I have thought also (for many reasons) about just going M/F...but, again, while reduces problems in one area (stability issues, etc), creates others equally significant (maintenance, sexing, which lead to greater exposure, etc.....)

I've seen many out get quite large also.....so....that's another factor.....ie: If they could be sexed at 6"?.......well....that might be fine, but, from everything I have seen...outdoors?...probably not the case......(and initially had a greater interest in the larger things......but, given what we see outdoors?....maybe the "smaller", "lower" producing ones might be better suited......ie: If the 2 footers are going to hit 5 outside, then maybe the 1 footers will hit 2-3 outside, etc.......(again, a reason why I wanted to do a wide range of things......see what best suits what I desire.......)

They can be sexed when there still small, but when they start stretching they explode, never seen em go past 2-3 feet with 1-2 foot side branches.
I just wish I had stock that finished in the 2 1/2 months this year would of been done along time ago if they did. I wouldn't mind trying out some of the auto chems/ogs but Id feel like a chump buying the seeds, I still got a couple thousand feminized auto ak seeds left.

 

[Ipsissimus]

If there is any question if one is going too much/too high?

That very thought (to me) answers the question in itself ...

Took it to the next level, instead of doing me the disservice of a blank and white answer. Priceless.

All just my personal opinion and view.....(and larger having to do with relying heavier on more people, which hasn't gotten me anything of value last 2 years, so...maybe another reason why less attractive....)

sounds like a more finely honed outlook to me. i've never had much luck relying on others, though I know there are hard working reliable people out there, if only because I am. few and far...

 

[Guerilla Family]

Julian, Each winter I begin to plot my "Field of Dreams" and how I will pull it off. Since a young age, I have been obsessed with the thought of pulling that one massive haul in one season, that will have me set. Sitting comfortably with "no worries" haha Well late last winter I found this thread, and I instantly dove into the wealth of info that has been laid out. This thread really inspired and Motivated me to fulfill this almost life long dream. I worked my ass off early spring, taking hundreds of cuttings from my available moms, and rooting them. Throughout March and April, I was plotting land, and prepping sites. May came and I was hauling flats of rooting cuttings and plotting them, Wherever, whenever I could. I made a lot of sacrifices in my determination to just do it. I worked all through the summer and into July, with my outdoor project. I had a lot of losses, some that were replaced later, some that were not.. The majority of my losses were the first and most earliest rounds. Im very glad that I stayed motivated, and worked into late July

Fall is apon us, and as I make my rounds for late feedings, and examination, I am more and more pleased with the outcome of some hard work, and a lot of dedication, and even more thankful for what you had provided me with. I learned a lot of discipline and lessons, a person could only learn through the actions that were commited on his own personal quest. Another season is coming to and end, and not only am I close to reeling in the largest grow of my life, but Im also more knowledgable, and I have a much greater understanding of what I must do next season to apply these lessons I've learned to be even more successful.
I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to document all of your thoughts for us. Each grower will get his own things from this read, and each will apply it in different ways in regards to their life. I found these lessons go far beyond just growing, and I have been able to relate and apply a lot of your teachings to my life in many different ways, with positive results.

Thanks again Julian, and I hope life is treating u well. Lots of karma to u brother!

Much Respect
GFam

EDIT : Just wanted to add one more thing after reading through a few backed posts. Everything happens for a reason. I have witnessed this many times over. I am a VERY strong believer of this, and I constantly remind myself of it. Life is full of ups and downs. When your up, your up, when your down, dont let your self get down about being down, bc u know it wont be long before your up again.

 

[Julian]

You mentioned FMS Julian,I had e-mail from them last week, Maroc and Early Sativa will be back on the shelves January.

Big fan of FMS......saw they have now bubblegum, AK...and think a WWxBB which I believe they had out several years ago....(I can't recall if it was wwxc99,or wwxbb.....I love their stuff, and really want some of the above, cause quality product, and I've always been satisfied....for sure....) Feel confident nowadays that anything the do like the above is good....and, you know....from consumer aspect....a nice feeling knowing will be happy with product even before you've seen it...(Couple things I haven't run, but for various reasons..like anything haze and such....easy haven't, and, actually, the PP in the end wasn't so bad.....was one of those things where people complained, but then as soon as gone, everyone asking for it ...

Howdy folks.
More excellent info julian. Intresting this twist on the flip theme. Just wondering if the co2 will be as benificial with less light??? It cant hurt but i wonder if it would be near as good as it can help in a room with the perfect lighting??

Well....as above.....first one comes in and if numbers don't come out, will make changes (which will be immediate, easy ones, no matter what they are)...see, again..."less" light? , well.....when not full on, still overlapping, and, depending on layout, multiple overlaps....so....I mean, "less" doesn't equate with "none".....so...

I want to thank you again for all the info and perhaps even more importantly some of the insights you have shared concerning being a success and "gettin er done" I really need to get my shit together I am disabled and in a lot of pain but I need to get my shit together in order to really change my life im so sick of the way im living but thankfully i realize i have no one but myself to blame. Which of course means that I can make some real progress if I only can get a fuckin grip and make it work for me.

Above highlighted can use to change quite a few things.....a very powerful stance/thought(s).....I remember....hope your feeling well these days....and, you know....like anyone...you do what you can do....on any scale.....sometimes things that can change your life the most?....well.......sometimes we find things that can that don't take any other effort than a change in thinking, or a position too, and, those have made a lot of difference for me lately....a lot...truly....

Take care of yourself Julian and everyone else thats been part of this awesome thread. I really hope I can have some excellent results to share in the future like its been said there's always a next season or next round and a good pull can make a lot of difference.

Absolutely, and, thanks man....I've gotten just as much from it as anyone...

I'll of course be sharing stuff more...just slacked off a little....not thrilled,so...but of course will...always will (in one way or another depending, yada,yada ....)

Hope all goes well man...and hope your feeling better....and hope for the power and strength for you to do what you want to, and change what you want to.,...for everyone....and anyone who needs to...wants to...has to....

They can be sexed when there still small, but when they start stretching they explode, never seen em go past 2-3 feet with 1-2 foot side branches.
I just wish I had stock that finished in the 2 1/2 months this year would of been done along time ago if they did. I wouldn't mind trying out some of the auto chems/ogs but Id feel like a chump buying the seeds, I still got a couple thousand feminized auto ak seeds left.

Well, the chems I saw were only available in fem, hence my hesitation for using to create fem...either would have to pollinate with something else (male, cause forced fem with a fem?....might be fine...but, haven't heard too many positive things about doing so as far as stability and quality of stock...(again, not my area....I can only discuss with those more well versed than I and then try and make a judgment call on it.....)

I've been seeing more and more lot of outdoor things which got a little large (well...tall...) 2-3 feet is cool....that's alright, but, if talking 3-4, or even past 4?, well...that could present a cover problem as going to be working them into cropland.....so....(completely out in the open to a degree.....) Again...might go after things on the smaller side with hopes the out they get a little bigger but not too big (and flip side is they very well could be extremely small out and cause a problem.....)

Yeah......I was going to go lighter each to get a larger total and a variety (for stock)...but.....M/F above...lately been contemplating just doing that, as going to run them somewhere with someone watching over them, and, M/F?....I know fairly cut and dry whereas if I start getting into fems,and different methods....well, that leaves an opportunity for someone to fuck it up ....so.......will cross that bridge when I get to it.....

(Other angle as far as doing multiple things, is seeing how and when they come in? ...ie: I don't want to be stuck running one thing and have them come in too late.....take too long......will be much easier if have some early or mid things (reason: gets space cleared out gradually instead of whole op sitting full far past comfort period...ya know? ...and then of course can have an idea what's what for future things...(what does what, how fast, how large, yields, etc......which then of course creates the issue (making stock) of having too many different things, and it bleeding over into other things, etc, etc.......ie: If just for stock, and all was fine....I couldn't give a fuck if 10 things pollinate another 10, but, if actually wanting to see individual things and how they work out?......would like to keep them clean...so.........We'll see.......lot on plate......hoping all works out and going to try my best to work it all out, and, hopefully, minimal problems in the process.....(which I'll try and ensure beforehand but, shit happens , so........)

Really could use a big season.....of comfort that I've had many, so......and, of course, locations....last 2 years trying to fill the void left by my best one, so......will of course come across another of those..(if not as big, then as safe.....)...The more time that goes by...... more I realize what we had was literally gold.........in safety, volume.....I mean...it was just gold.....(and made everything that much easier...bringing in supplies, getting work done, etc.....was just as close to ideal as one could hope for......

I really miss it......(and, all in all?......lot of good moments and experiences.....that I'll remember for years to come.....so....)

Took it to the next level, instead of doing me the disservice of a blank and white answer. Priceless.

Well........nothing in this game is black and white.....I mean.....as we all know.....with almost everything the options and angles are just endless.........truly endless.....(Example is people who have problems on ins after a strain change and wonder what's wrong......because just ran xxx and everything was fine....)

sounds like a more finely honed outlook to me. i've never had much luck relying on others, though I know there are hard working reliable people out there, if only because I am. few and far...

Well....as earlier.....I mean....I get a little uppity , but, in the end?...well, maybe it took those things for me to change other things....you know....it's the hardest lessons and times which present the greatest lessons for us, so...as above...I mean....maybe I needed that, so...trying not to "fight it".....and just accept what is for what it is, and people for who they are.......and, as you yourself said....far and few, and, as just saying above?...my biggest one recently lost?....we were a fuckin machine ...truly....side by side....equal work and drive......(yeah..not always...we all have our moments)...but, this recent exposure and reflecting back, I mean...nah, they were good guys....which again...it took the bullshit maybe to make me realize how good

This game especially...I just never understood the slack in work...I mean...at least for me and the way I do things?...heaviest is prep...(from supplies through planted)...past there?, I mean.....nothing afterwards (besides trimming) requires that much labor, and, I mean, it's a small amount of concentrated effort.....I'm a worker man.....lay a job in front of me and won't rest until it's done.......eat?...no. Drink?...yeah, when it ocurs to me I better....a smoke here and there?, yeah, when I need to take a moment....but, I mean....I'll work 20 hrs on something straight until done....30.........fuckin 40. Hard?......well....isn't hard work supposed to be? ......tired?...yeah, but then I have all the work done and can rest all I like...and, in the end?...the price tag on that work?...fuck......that right there gives me enough incentive ....

I average peoples work out when they start to complain and bitch a little...have several times this season.......even with heavy losses not a single fuckin person ending up less than $1,000 a fuckin hour, so...I mean......wtf do these people want and think? ....(Again....ya look around and see good people having hard times....and you hand someone $1-$10,000 an hour and they complain and slack?...

Want to give em a slap

Julian, Each winter I begin to plot my "Field of Dreams" and how I will pull it off. Since a young age, I have been obsessed with the thought of pulling that one massive haul in one season, that will have me set. Sitting comfortably with "no worries" haha

Well, of course.....you do it first because you like to, and goes from there.......and, you do what you have to...and, as has been my case recently (and before in life)....you have good seasons, and bad ones...for any number of reasons......mentioned earlier an example....had an October where sun really didn't show itself for the entire month....(and late Sept I think also lead into it...) Who knows what it cost me.....but of course it did......I wouldn't hesitate to say 50%.....

The better you do....the more worries you have ....

You can....anyone can.....and what sparked this originally was the overview.....I've had 10 times more good ones than bad ones, so.....and, sometimes, a matter of everything coming together....so...patience required....(but working in meantime, what you can...ie: I lost my recent big one.....wasn't going to give up...wasn't going to quit forever......You just grow....and it works itself out, and, the longer you go, the more resources you have in various forms......(such as locations.....which come to me left and right sometimes....we try them, see how they work, if good, do again...maybe...if bad.....we tried it....such is life......)

Well late last winter I found this thread, and I instantly dove into the wealth of info that has been laid out. This thread really inspired and Motivated me to fulfill this almost life long dream. I worked my ass off early spring, taking hundreds of cuttings from my available moms, and rooting them. Throughout March and April, I was plotting land, and prepping sites. May came and I was hauling flats of rooting cuttings and plotting them, Wherever, whenever I could. I made a lot of sacrifices in my determination to just do it. I worked all through the summer and into July, with my outdoor project. I had a lot of losses, some that were replaced later, some that were not.. The majority of my losses were the first and most earliest rounds. Im very glad that I stayed motivated, and worked into late July

Fall is apon us, and as I make my rounds for late feedings, and examination, I am more and more pleased with the outcome of some hard work, and a lot of dedication, and even more thankful for what you had provided me with. I learned a lot of discipline and lessons, a person could only learn through the actions that were commited on his own personal quest. Another season is coming to and end, and not only am I close to reeling in the largest grow of my life, but Im also more knowledgable, and I have a much greater understanding of what I must do next season to apply these lessons I've learned to be even more successful.

I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to document all of your thoughts for us. Each grower will get his own things from this read, and each will apply it in different ways in regards to their life. I found these lessons go far beyond just growing, and I have been able to relate and apply a lot of your teachings to my life in many different ways, with positive results.

Thanks again Julian, and I hope life is treating u well. Lots of karma to u brother!

Much Respect
GFam

EDIT : Just wanted to add one more thing after reading through a few backed posts. Everything happens for a reason. I have witnessed this many times over. I am a VERY strong believer of this, and I constantly remind myself of it. Life is full of ups and downs. When your up, your up, when your down, dont let your self get down about being down, bc u know it wont be long before your up again.

I was hangin on your every word (fuckin seriously ) to see where that was going.....as probably many who have shared it....and.....I'm glad to hear it......the above really "moved me" on several levels....and, sounds like what you gained is indescribable to anyone who hasn't experienced the same....and, while we all draw different things from different actions and events in life......sounds like you drew enormous amounts from the experience(s)........and that also pleases me....for anyone.....because....so many people do so many things, and, I think the greatest loss is to walk away having drawn nothing out of it...

And that feel of a successful pull?.......to me always nothing like it....(Of course.....most people feel satisfaction and any number of things upon completing a large task, etc, but....we are talking an illegal one , so......in which all lies at risk, every moment, non stop until completed...so.....not the same as completing a work project........(Some would call the above dramatic........an exaggeration.....I'd certainly call "all/everything" losing all freedom, all assets, ones family, possibly even ones children, and on and on.....)...

I've altered the phrase (it amused me) "fighting for your life" to "Growing for your life", and...any way you slice it......many of us are.......

I sincerely thank you for the kind words.....and it is truly an honor to have even the absolute smallest degree of assistance in anyone doing better......

The bottle kids speak of ego, arrogance......I'm certainly nothing special.....and you just proved it .

Threads never been about what I can do.....

Threads always been about what you can do....

If a man can't spare a few minutes of their time to help a fellow man in any way, shape or form when readily able?....Then he is not a man.

You know.....I started to experience many things...earlier in thread...call it last 6 months.....as shared earlier, and, the outcome of every event started to be showing me the reason the earlier happened...

Something would happen.......I'd get upset and, couple days later something would come up leaving me with "wow.....lucky that happened" :biglaugh"...

Something would happen......and, lo and behold....in a short period, another event which made it all turn out for the better....

Each time...angered, upset, etc, etc.....and shown shortly no reason to be....and, you know....we all talk and preach all that stuff, but.......I was shown it...and...no one can tell me that come from something higher.....maybe because I needed it...maybe because I asked for it....but, since then?....fuckin IRS can be knocking on the door while the house burns down and the market drops while I'm on the phone about a another spot lost.......and....doesn't matter....doesn't phase me....and, for the most part...I laugh lately about anything like that....(above examples a little extreme.....a little.....but...not by too much......

Was reassuring also that every bad event followed by something showing me not a bad event at all.....actually something leading to something better, if I would just stfu and allow it

Changed me a lot.....right now doing better than ever have in many ways, and, lo and behold.....in many ways worse, but....doesn't matter....cause I'm doing better in the ways that are really important, and worse in the ways that really aren't... ...

Universe slapped my ass and then gave me a cookie I say lately....

Truth of the matter is, as above...I needed one thing taken to gain the other.....I did.....kinda the food tastes better thing.......(Relates to earlier......sometimes we need to learn one thing in order to accomplish 10....)

Anyway....like anything related....and the above......we can never explain it.......so....we can try, but mere words fall short.......(an understatement)...Lot of very bad stuff in my world....but, doing better than ever have, so .

Congratulations (well, so far....still gotta bring it in )....I'm pleased when anyone does well.....with what we put forth?.....a great injustice when not rewarded......and not about money.....about the many rewards we all receive from an entire season...in many forms.....

Hope all comes in without a problem...and hope any monetary rewards used wisely....and hope some rest and relaxation and contemplation to follow....(I never knew the importance of vacations until fairly recent in my life......again...words cannot explain....

Same wishes to all....we're almost there....spring almost there......both will be before we know it.....and, for those who have had losses?.......well....nothing that can be said that already hasn't.....but just temporary.....life will begin tomorrow just as it did yesterday....20-30-40 more seasons ahead ....(and in between.........life ...which can go any way....and can be used any way.......)

 

[buddymate]

What would you personally prefer Julian from Female Seeds nl stable,the Early Sativa or the Maroc?Did you have any problems when you yourself grew their Maroc?Is she a decent yielder?Thanks in advance.

 

[Maxyeild]

When they say a 1000watt light per room in the house is the general rule, are they talkin' per bedroom or total rooms in the house?

Thanks in advance, great thread

 

[Ipsissimus]

just put some beds in the extra rooms, and you should be good to go either way

when looking at other properties (3 bedroom house, 4 bedroom house), it is a rough estimate of normal power consumption (not light per room).

 

[Julian]

What would you personally prefer Julian from Female Seeds nl stable,the Early Sativa or the Maroc?Did you have any problems when you yourself grew their Maroc?Is she a decent yielder?Thanks in advance.

lot of notes and some pics of it earlier in thread.. In a nutshell, I vegged 24/0 (as I always have, do and will), 6" or so, more or less, and they triggered on me....I thought I did them end of June (was 3 yrs ago), but started cutting them starting Aug 1st I believe (again, 3 yrs ago)...Quality (taste,smell, high...remember it reeked quite a bit) impressed all who received, and think it got passed off down the line as indoor, and was welcomed....(Of course all who received, ya know....I mean, side by side with many other things not that impressive, but, went over well...) Maybe it was end of May and started cutting Aug 1st?....

Some turned out loose, stringy, and others lot of nice, tight stuff...

Ah.....almost forgot...finish/yield: So....24/0, end of May, Aug 1st started cutting, and they were 3' more or less bushes....thinking back...would say maybe they got topped.....3' multiple top bushes.....wanted to run them again....think maybe they were out of stock or something when I wanted them.....cause overall was very pleased......and, all this AF talk....well, there ya go....60 days from planting being cut....so.....

Don't really remember yield, but, would say couple z's each probably...maybe 3z's each or something.....and the above what really impressed me...(cutting time)....Some pictures, probably far back in old gallery of buds here and there....lot a tinge of purple (just a tingle....I don't like purple strains...or rather haven't tried one I like.....hard for me to judge when they're done.....(and that's just me personally..I get a "feel" for things......purple throws off that feel......If I was running them all the time, might develop it, but, throw one in here and there beside many other things....."throws me off".......) Most of the things I do is "eye"ing it....

When started researching it...most seem to come in lare Aug through mid Sept, so....most likely I triggered it....(and, as earlier...had I know, would have vegged even a little more.....cause was very pleased , didn't have that many, and not that large....would have loved to have more of it .....but, again.....they varied a little.....some (don't recall what portion) loose.....and, no....wasn't sun/spot issues......was the individuals......completely different structures and growth than others.....

Cost, time, effort, prep.....might be better off just going with those than AF's if AF's going to create a time issue....best case scenario for AF's if everything perfect would be late July more or less.....was cutting the Marocs starting Aug 1st, so.....(But, AF's.....fuckin almost 70 different things, so.....hence my interest, because for me their strength only in the early spring run......nothing else...indoor?, not necessary......could just 12/12 it from start and run whatever I like....out, the minis, so...for me personally, their ideal purpose is the early run.......

Interestingly enough....I really haven't had too many things trigger on me.....did a lot of things this year 24/0 to out early July.....and still didn't....(was hoping they would, and, couldn't see why not....day lengths reduced also.....but, they didn't......)

when looking at other properties (3 bedroom house, 4 bedroom house), it is a rough estimate of normal power consumption (not light per room).

My reviews averaged 2k-4k per hour, and were residences with no ops.....

Also meaning if occupied, and "normal" usage, utilizing the 1 per rule would double the draw ...(So if living there, would have to reduce and watch consumption....and would be over average, but, not by anything too significant if were on it......)





Funny addition about variables in situations.....from a recent real life conversation with someone about in's: (I thought was funny, and was fucking with them also )

So, when do you flower them? what size? how old?

Well....all depends.....could flower them at 2".....

But won't they be too small?

Well, depends.....they could actually finish too big...

How do you stop them from being too big?

Well......then you flower them smaller.......

But then won't they be too small?

Well........definitely possible.....

How do you know?

Well.......You don't....

And on and on and around and around we went.....struck me as an amusing example of variables........lack of cut and dry on many things.....black and white, etc......


So my mind must definitely be somewhere else....because did some rounds today.....could map all these areas with eyes closed....have driven them 500 times.......I've done cross country runs hundreds of times without a map, etc.....(Again, very simple....only need to know major cities and interchanges along the way, etc...that's why they have signs ......haven't got lost in probably 20yrs and 1MM+ miles....

Got lost, didn't know it till I was near in another state/country ....(Of course...no exact routes and locations, but....was northern US... )

(Not lost per se....to pass the time driving long periods, I basically just ignore it and don't pay attention....ie: I might know, okay.....3hrs till this, then 2hrs till this, then 4hrs till this....and know all routes, so...don't even look at signs...just make calls, listen to tunes and such..........never look at clock and stuff like that....count the miles, the....

Got lopped around somewhere and instead of hopping on interstate one direction, went the other..........and, of course.....had no reason to pay attention for like......3hrs...so......and....around 3 1/4..... noticed should have hit the second point

As above though....didn't care....got a kick out of it......but really wished I had something rolled with me ......would have made it all totally insignificant....and more enjoyment out of it....

 

[buddymate]

Thank you Julian,I will put Maroc on my list of "Must-buy" for January when the new run is released onto the market

 

[lexxx]

Julian,
thanks for your comprehensive notes. You are an inspiration.