MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[vod]

Had some more problems with people and continue to, so.....whole current crew is just gone after this....going back to myself and tied and true people....no more favors, no more help....fuck em all......

didn't you already say this last year?
sorry to hear that man, I thought this time all was rather smooth.

Yeah, some verrrry nice spots for next year.....worries me how nice ....(visibility, location, and exposure.....but then again, not thattt nice if I have to bring in 10 tons of supplies, so .......going to completely treat large entire areas.......dry mix, manures, compost, coco, crystals, etc....so can just plant rapidly with hand spades when it comes time.....all fem so can walk away and essentially forget ....

Trying to iron out the specifics.....(how to get in, when to apply, and so on....)

same here. supplies the limiting factor.
my car is small. load limited to ~350kg. can do more trips or hire a bigger vehicle... need to think it through as I can't make a hundred trips with the soil, coz I'd make an all to obvious trail. spot is not that secure. but if prep done early enough (autumn/winter/early spring) I think I could get quite a lot in there.

doing the minis should help to "iron out the specifics".

spot really got my thoughts going

feels good to start working on next year.

btw. have some fems ripening (seeds) and more clones sprayed with sts so I can make a larger amount of earlier stuff outdoors. one strain started flowering nicely. so stock will not be an issue (fingers crossed).

 

[Julian]

didn't you already say this last year?
sorry to hear that man, I thought this time all was rather smooth.

Well, smoother.......the defining factor being anyones shortcomings having less of an effect...

I'm an optimist.......I believe in people seeing and understanding things they didn't before.....I believe in second chances....everyone makes mistakes....okay, fine.....I see someone in a bad situation, and if can help them, try very hard to, and on and on.....

Nothing too significant made me state the above.......actually, was just little things, and, no more....period. Done. Have given chances, chances blown....so.....nothing else to say.....over, done, know cannot rely on them, won't even bother to, etc.

Just moving forward with that knowledge and understanding. Period.

A shame but I have spent far too much time and energy going over it to any longer again.

same here. supplies the limiting factor.
my car is small. load limited to ~350kg. can do more trips or hire a bigger vehicle... need to think it through as I can't make a hundred trips with the soil, coz I'd make an all to obvious trail. spot is not that secure. but if prep done early enough (autumn/winter/early spring) I think I could get quite a lot in there.

doing the minis should help to "iron out the specifics".

spot really got my thoughts going
feels good to start working on next year.

In the past...I myself would have been working on next since early this year, but, in essence have been, as it's all for something been working on a while, and, this year had it's changes....(still do).......and continues to....(good people remaining pushing me for trees next year...)

I'm happy with who and what I have.....they do what they say they will do....I don't have to worry about will something be done.....have to question whether what they say to me today valid or not, etc.....it's leaving some of us with more work than would have been.......but...............but......that being said.....everything already looks better and should run smoother, aside from more work, which is fine with me......Not a game.....not playtime......say something, you do it....have to do something, you do it......it's all ridiculously minor in whole scheme of things......and, with what I am working on (another point)....absolutely no room for anything questionable in future........

It's hard enough when everything does run right...

Well, if your capabilities are restricted/reduced, might as well get what you can done this year, and will help with train issues next year.....(and of course less to do next year)...........I'd really like to get mine done this year for several reasons...including taking advantage of excess adrenaline and energy I have end of season.......might as well use it..utilize it to benefit, etc....

Don't forget also anything you can do for greater efficiency...(I am probably going to do coco the same way I did before....just spread out multiple bricks....let nature work them for me...reduces a lot right off the top.....dry mix fairly easy, light....(compared to trucks of compost, manure and such, which is the real problem and work........dry mix, bricks, crystals all fairly manageable even in bulk....the other stuff the pain, so...spread out your trips, make them count....can leave things on site if packed right and site allows, etc......

But I'd question it in the sense someone else was running on it......don't forget, not all have a sense of honesty, integrity, etc....(ie: not all will walk away, a lot might take them, etc...)

Yeah, nothing too significant on the above issues (workers, etc), but, no...I'm done...I learned my lesson......you fuck up, one chance, and again and done, gone......

Wrote a lot earlier about testing and screening, and, you know, if people closer to me, I am more lax......but that's all done.......I say do something, it's not done....that's all she wrote........again...it's hard enough when everything runs perfect......so...no.....I'm going to stick with who I can count on and trust.......I had several this year talk all that bullshit......(how serious, how work hard, how won't give up, blah,blah,blah..........)

Some fine print in there for upcoming seasons, but, for now....certain people are done...they're out....(and, again....they might come back at some point telling me all the reasons why they made mistakes and asking for another chance, and, who knows....I might cave again , but at this point....going to take a lot to sway me......I'm usually pretty firm.....

(Actually, last couple weeks what has been on my mind is replanning and eliminating people, streamlining even further...kind of reflected in the above (doing things this year, getting things in and done so don't have to next year........ie: going to be on reduced manpower in future so lets start addressing it now.....heading off work problems, getting things done in advance, etc, etc.....)

Other issue is my old time people I can count on have scheduling issues.....ie: If they can only do weekends but we come across a spot that can only be done weekdays, they're automatically not able to , regardless of if they want to, can be counted on, etc, so...another way in which spot dictates quite a bit.....

I've always been like that though.....can't tolerate anyone talking shit....for a moment......but slipped for a while, so, now am back.......ie: don't want to hear it, don't entertain, and turn my back.....)

So much can get done when people just do what they have to......I can get a months work of things done in a 20hr day....something 5 minutes, on to next 3 minutes, 3 hrs worth of errands stopping 10 different places, 10 different things, 40 calls 3 minutes each, and on and on..........you just fuckin do it, ya know?

Nah....I'm feeling good about future......going to streamline.......know everything will be done...know no help problems...etc....no room for anything less and the serious things coming up shortly (which means absolutely no room for any bullshit...)

Could have been what prompted me....ie: preparing for things been working on for a while, and, preventing problems before they even have a chance to occur........if they can't handle right now...absolutely no way in hell going to handle future ones, and failures will be multiplied, so....thought better just to write them out now, continue planning and work....

Note: And I feel bad because all gone were made very aware that very large things in the works always being worked on.....and proving themselves now will get them a piece and a position with the next.......so....whatever......

Just done entertaining bullshit........won't even for a second.....have heard and seen it all.........and should stick to it.......stick with what I know instead of entertaining otherwise out of false senses of responsibility of generosity, etc......

Just done....someone real has no problem proving it, and it being seen in their actions.....people who are real don't need a second chance

Gotta run now and go from store to store to store looking for something until I find it, that someone else was supposed to get a week ago.....such a brutal task.......such a problem....I can see the delay.......2 hrs walking around doing nothing certainly a horriffic uncalled for experience......and such an unreasonable price to pay for end of season $2,000 an hour average ...

Fuckin people

(Bet I find it at first store and am done in 20 minutes )

 

[Julian]

btw. have some fems ripening (seeds) and more clones sprayed with sts so I can make a larger amount of earlier stuff outdoors. one strain started flowering nicely. so stock will not be an issue (fingers crossed).

I'd be more than interested in any, all, and every specific regarding it....(in,out,veg, when and how applied, reactions, what strains, any other notes of process.....

 

[h^2 O]

are there pictures in this thread?

 

[vod]

Well, if your capabilities are restricted/reduced, might as well get what you can done this year, and will help with train issues next year.....(and of course less to do next year)...........I'd really like to get mine done this year for several reasons...including taking advantage of excess adrenaline and energy I have end of season.......might as well use it..utilize it to benefit, etc....

I prepped my early spot right after harvest last year. Was something I had to do to overcome the loss I have had due to mold and my own neglect.
Prepping in advance makes for a smoother spring and trails also less of a problem (not much to trample down/will grow back before plants in. holes quite stealthy)

Don't forget also anything you can do for greater efficiency...(I am probably going to do coco the same way I did before....just spread out multiple bricks....let nature work them for me...reduces a lot right off the top.....dry mix fairly easy, light....(compared to trucks of compost, manure and such, which is the real problem and work........dry mix, bricks, crystals all fairly manageable even in bulk....the other stuff the pain, so...spread out your trips, make them count....can leave things on site if packed right and site allows, etc......

I remember that. can bring quite a bit of dry coco easily. let the rain expand he he
I'm not gonna forget that approach
but I think I'm not gonna come around bringing the soil mix. just coco and crystals and time release ferts won't cut it I'm afraid (no experience with pure coco). leaving on site should be fine. easy to hide. and I have more than 6 month to work the spot so can spread the hauling and trips and keep it as safe/secure as possible.

But I'd question it in the sense someone else was running on it......don't forget, not all have a sense of honesty, integrity, etc....(ie: not all will walk away, a lot might take them, etc...)

yeah... if all had the integrity I could grow in front of my house on the curb.
fuckin people eh! making life harder than necessary
but yeah. that is a concern. it is a place that people frequent. spot well hidden, but might be wise to grow more plants with less profile none the less. I'll do the minis over the next two weeks and familiarize myself a little more with the topography. and if minis ripped then i'm obviously not doing trees next year.

Other issue is my old time people I can count on have scheduling issues.....ie: If they can only do weekends but we come across a spot that can only be done weekdays, they're automatically not able to , regardless of if they want to, can be counted on, etc, so...another way in which spot dictates quite a bit.....

I'm doing all alone. no one asking to do it with me and I'm not asking anyone. no good partner candidates around and I feel better doing it alone. responsibility being all mine and not having to worry about anyone else than me and my family.
and I'm also quite limited in terms of scheduling. full time job now and full time studying plus work plus kid from october...

good luck man!
and let us know how the afs worked. the pix I've seen around so far look rather pathetic. but I'll research them when more people have brought them in. sure is i'm not gonna grow LR.

 

[vod]

I'd be more than interested in any, all, and every specific regarding it....(in,out,veg, when and how applied, reactions, what strains, any other notes of process.....

I made stock solution of STS like described in the common recipe quoted in thread. Diluted 1:10, sprayed a Blueberry clone generously, put under 12/12 right away. Waited couple of weeks. Clone started flowering and throwing both male and female flowers, but the female got more frequent so I sprayed again (after 3 weeks since first spraying? for greater accuracy I'd have to check notes but not today - bed time). With a delay of a few weeks male flowers came back strong, but by this time the first male flowers started shedding pollen so I pollinated my girls and killed the clone. Now I have next clones but they are a couple of days since spraying so nothing happening yet.
I think outdoor spraying would work but you'd have to spray the whole plant and at least twice.
Will let you know when next round done, seeds collected and tested for germ and later sex.

 

[Julian]

Prepping in advance makes for a smoother spring and trails also less of a problem (not much to trample down/will grow back before plants in. holes quite stealthy)

I remember that. can bring quite a bit of dry coco easily. let the rain expand he he
I'm not gonna forget that approach

but I think I'm not gonna come around bringing the soil mix. just coco and crystals and time release ferts won't cut it I'm afraid (no experience with pure coco). leaving on site should be fine. easy to hide. and I have more than 6 month to work the spot so can spread the hauling and trips and keep it as safe/secure as possible.

You know, I'm always doing different sp, and lot of them come at basically last moment the majority of the time, so....I haven't had chances to get to something this far before in a while....the last big one we had a couple years, but then it was a matter of dumping old spots and finding new ones season to season.....

Yeah...worked very well (coco and rain).....and, can take it either way....ie: Not haul in water at all, or use water would have hauled to prep holes and crystals instead of using to hydrate coco, etc....read something somewhere recently about someone using nearby stream to hydrate, etc.....same deal.....working smarter, not harder, etc (or still working harder but making everything more efficient and using same labor for something else, etc.....)

Yeah....coco, dry mix and crystals and such can distribute....(not concerned with dumping crystals dry prior....will be end of season, wet, snow soon and will all be plowed under anyway, so....

I'm doing all alone. no one asking to do it with me and I'm not asking anyone. no good partner candidates around and I feel better doing it alone. responsibility being all mine and not having to worry about anyone else than me and my family.
and I'm also quite limited in terms of scheduling. full time job now and full time studying plus work plus kid from october...

Well, you know....you do what you can...my stuff needs everything in place....I'm just trimming the fat I guess so to speak....

That's a busy schedule......good ....

good luck man!
and let us know how the afs worked. the pix I've seen around so far look rather pathetic. but I'll research them when more people have brought them in. sure is i'm not gonna grow LR.

I haven't really seen too many examples of them out, especially in ground.......couple here and there but not finished yet....saw lot of previous stuff in oversized pots out which turned out extremely well...and, as discussed early/previous in another thread.....I think lot of angles regarding doing them out, in ground.......(hole,feeding, sun, starts, how done, and on and on......), so, you know...covering the angles in planning and so on.....but, regardless, the basics still remain, and my greatest interests remain, so.....might have some notes, maybe a displeasure here and there but overall going to work well overall I think.....Mold a concern mid summer, but, going to be running them essentially in wide open spots...pure sun, circulation/wind, so....every mini crop I have ever done in similar conditions was mold free even when same things in different spots didn't......so....but don't think I should assume they will be fine and plan accordingly.....I'm looking forward to it Probably will take a little longer than I want....probably will get a little bigger than I think....etc, etc, but, again....their simply what they are....

I don't really see too many angles that can't be addressed, and, going to run multiple things, so....(and, who knows....when comes time to pollinate, may very well have some fun......instead of just crossing A with A, B with B, and so on , which might make another difference also, etc......AK's, WR's, and GWS's a specific interest I have....plus new things now every day, so......still don't have everything I want...(plus could also be changes in spots....getting some pressure to do trees so taking that into consideration as those spots wouldn't be the same anyway,so.......just taking it as it comes....my shit changes every day, sometimes twice a day lateky, so...that's my plan, that's my target, that's my desire......)

 

[Julian]

Prepping in advance makes for a smoother spring and trails also less of a problem (not much to trample down/will grow back before plants in. holes quite stealthy)

I remember that. can bring quite a bit of dry coco easily. let the rain expand he he
I'm not gonna forget that approach

but I think I'm not gonna come around bringing the soil mix. just coco and crystals and time release ferts won't cut it I'm afraid (no experience with pure coco). leaving on site should be fine. easy to hide. and I have more than 6 month to work the spot so can spread the hauling and trips and keep it as safe/secure as possible.

You know, I'm always doing different sp, and lot of them come at basically last moment the majority of the time, so....I haven't had chances to get to something this far before in a while....the last big one we had a couple years, but then it was a matter of dumping old spots and finding new ones season to season.....

Yeah...worked very well (coco and rain).....and, can take it either way....ie: Not haul in water at all, or use water would have hauled to prep holes and crystals instead of using to hydrate coco, etc....read something somewhere recently about someone using nearby stream to hydrate, etc.....same deal.....working smarter, not harder, etc (or still working harder but making everything more efficient and using same labor for something else, etc.....)

Yeah....coco, dry mix and crystals and such can distribute....(not concerned with dumping crystals dry prior....will be end of season, wet, snow soon and will all be plowed under anyway, so....

I'm doing all alone. no one asking to do it with me and I'm not asking anyone. no good partner candidates around and I feel better doing it alone. responsibility being all mine and not having to worry about anyone else than me and my family.
and I'm also quite limited in terms of scheduling. full time job now and full time studying plus work plus kid from october...

Well, you know....you do what you can...my stuff needs everything in place....I'm just trimming the fat I guess so to speak....

That's a busy schedule......good ....

good luck man!
and let us know how the afs worked. the pix I've seen around so far look rather pathetic. but I'll research them when more people have brought them in. sure is i'm not gonna grow LR.

I haven't really seen too many examples of them out, especially in ground.......couple here and there but not finished yet....saw lot of previous stuff in oversized pots out which turned out extremely well...and, as discussed early/previous in another thread.....I think lot of angles regarding doing them out, in ground.......(hole,feeding, sun, starts, how done, and on and on......), so, you know...covering the angles in planning and so on.....but, regardless, the basics still remain, and my greatest interests remain, so.....might have some notes, maybe a displeasure here and there but overall going to work well overall I think.....Mold a concern mid summer, but, going to be running them essentially in wide open spots...pure sun, circulation/wind, so....every mini crop I have ever done in similar conditions was mold free even when same things in different spots didn't......so....but don't think I should assume they will be fine and plan accordingly.....I'm looking forward to it Probably will take a little longer than I want....probably will get a little bigger than I think....etc, etc, but, again....their simply what they are....

I don't really see too many angles that can't be addressed, and, going to run multiple things, so....(and, who knows....when comes time to pollinate, may very well have some fun......instead of just crossing A with A, B with B, and so on , which might make another difference also, etc......

(I could come back tomorrow and it would all be different again ......just taking it day to day......AF thing, guys talking trees, and on and on.......and, ya know....to be honest, I don't really care as long as everything is smooth and a go...regardless of what it is....(meaning funded, spots available, stock on hand, crew I know ready to go and wont hesitate, etc....)

 

[FirstTracks]

regarding AF's.
Found my pheno of Mossy's JEM I kept was photosensitive, not AF. I can keep a mom and clone her under 24/0. not sure wha tthe switching point is though. Passed some cuts to a buddy and the Nossy's JEM started flowering right when he put it out. Sadly, I 'got the cuts from a buddy of mine' so I had to play dumb on it. hoping he sees a good harvest. from the picture I've seen though, its doing quite well

On another note. My LR2s that were supposed to be for seed stock aren't poppin up as I hoped and I'll probably have to re-invest in more, different AFs for seed runs over the winter.
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double checked those seeds that didn't pop. actually didn't pop in the smaller pellets, a lot of them. I have trouble controlling the moisture on a small scale i think. The large pellets, different story. lots of roots coming out of the sides of most of them, must have just buried seeds too deep and all energy went to roots and no top. live and learn.....

still have 20 of the LR2 (LR3s) to play with later on and a few bluestreak. Will have to wait til fall/winter to play with those though.

 

[dazednconfused]

Wondering if anyone has had any experience with those 30 gal camouflage grow bags?

Moved about 900 gals of soil to a desired site for next year. Vegetation in one area is almost 6' with fertile soil, majority of area is loamy clay that can get really hard in summer..lots of space though almost an acre to play with. Can't decide whether or not to do the following....

-180 holes x 5 gal of soil in ground
Average/Moderate sized clones being used

-60 x 15 gal grow bags
Moderate/small branch sized clones

-30 x 30 gal grow bags
1 or 2 Large/small branch sized clones

 

[InjectTruth]

Just wanted to add what little I could:

Listen to Julian. He is not trying to steer you wrong. I am a living testament to the fact that growing as a sole source of income will destroy a person.

I am reclusive, paranoid, depressed, anxious, physically unhealthy and addicted to the lifestyle. Anyone with a martyr/persecution complex or into self-fulfilling prophecies need not apply. It took me a while to figure out how much of that aspect played into my decision making.

Growing will make imaginary monsters real, and then you can turn around and tell everyone "see I told you so". This is what some thrive on. THERE IS NOTHING HOLY ABOUT SELF-DESTRUCTION.

I have been reading this thread and others like it for 3+ years. I have personally said things to Julian about wanting to work with him/someone like him. And no sooner did those words come out my mouth, I didnt follow through.

I have "grown" through the ranks of pitching dime bags, to copping/moving pounds, to competely isolating myself as a (sub-consciously on purpose) sub-par grower/lunatic. All the while, Julian has told me multiple times this is the direction I was heading, but "I knew better than him" and didnt heed all of his advice.

I have watched all of my optimism, social/financial/personal aspirations all but disappear. I now only have time for "fear", truly reverted to the level of an animal (my token animal - the squirrel). Everything is fight or flight, get out, grab a nut, get back before the predators eat you.

The very same thing which was at one time a liberating force, an undertaking which allowed MORE life, has morphed into a ruthless master which continually shortens the list of accepted activities.

Many of you reading this will chalk it up to me being a weak individual. Suffice it to say, I have ALREADY overcome more than most of you reading this will ever even consider having to deal with (real recognize real). Thats not the point.

Strength is NOT the ability to trudge through discomfort and adversity for NO REASON. It is the ability to know WHEN to do WHAT. It is the harmonious outward manifestation of ALL aspects of yourself coming together despite adversity. When any one aspect throws the others under the bus, that is weakness. And it is possible to forget who you are.

In short, I used to have a personality/life + no money, and now I have no personality/life and only enough money to pay rent and eat. Its easier to make money than it is to dig your real self out from under 10 years of pent up anger, aggression, disappointment, and neurotic musings.

All that being said, Id like to let everyone know for as bad as it sounds, I am still confident in my ability to emerge from this. Its just that now the demons are of a different kind. Its much easier to battle the ones from outside than inside. Its easy when your enemies are genuinely external, but JUST WAIT until you search and search and search only to find that "the call is coming from inside the house!"

Don't get it confused, either. This is FAAAAAAAAR from my first breakdown/what is wrong with my life/ what am I going to do? episodes (probably far from the last, as well). Everytime you get through one, you think you will never see it again. "Over-confidence leads to irony" - Aesop Rock

I hate to muck up the thread, but I have gleaned much from it. I want to offer my viewpoint not as another "oh yeah, I did something like that back in the day, blah blah blah" but as an opportunity to see what happens when YOU let things get out of balance.





On a lighter note, Im a couple days away from pulling down what looks like it will be my single most successful harvest ever. The universe has done more than enough for me in terms of constant reassurance and back up. The fact I am free to type this proves such. NOW its MY turn to DO SOMETHING!




P.S. I would love to hear as much as you are willing to share on the topic of your first out/ your struggles against poverty/ your life affirming dates with the AK, etc, Julian.

 

[antimatter]

not Julian, but its pretty normal Inject to be honest, I know of a lot of growers that keep to themselves mostly, but they do well enough to go to a tropical place for part of the year so its worth it for them..some could say its a hermit lifestyle, then there are guys who are completely careless and tell everyone, but somehow manage to pull down crop year after year. Im not really sure what the best way to deal with relationships and overall feeling that your breaking the law. Wouldn't we all love to be open about what we do with everyone, but its like you can't I don't even know what it is.. its gardening

 

[Julian]

So I saw a 48" auger recently (mounted to heavy machinery)........quite interesting, I must say .......didn't even look at price....I assume one hole and it pays for itself .....

Interesting stuff above.........interesting stuff........actually heavy on my mind lately a lot of it....so all the more......

Split personality?........I think many would find material regarding psychological issues and aspects of long term undercover agents of interest......quite a bit written on the subject......quite a bit......

Many reasons the above weighs heavily on my mind lately......many reasons.....can't really go into specific examples offhand (which is an example in itself ....).....Lately one of my problems is actually decreasing interactions....starting to seem really better if I don't show up around certain places, people......ie: If I am around, someone knows something brewing )....decreasing my appearances........activities......

Of course, I don't really talk to anyone I don't know......most of the time.....some see me as rude, and the assortment of things which accompany it......

I actually spend quite a bit of time other places.....mentioned trips last season..(was working on things, but, I always am...)....not enough to be said on all above and a thread in itself.....

Will get to the above when I get a chance/next time.......just stopping in for a few minutes......trying to hustle last minute.......wayy too much work.....still many things to do......still working on lot of things......discussions about next year...new spots.....serious family issues and obligations (always do...24/7/365...just never really mention it cause can't do specifics in any way, shape or form.........)

Did a round 18/6....was talking to someone about it..(actually did it by accident,....was considering doing it, guess didn't change timer......no way more growth than 24/0......fucked up my schedule actually.....no way superior growth....absolutely no way......might contemplate if doing something else to cut down power draw, but......for starts, quick turnarounds?.....nah...absolutely not....think it added 50% to my turnaround...(instead of 9-10...15, etc........) Actually for the better, as had a delay with some prep somewhere......(but than 24/0's would have been bigger).....

Want to get to the above.......some significant shit........(I think).......

Hope all are doing well......I still have spots supposed to be prepped that aren't yet.....still have couple waiting for a go ahead (and right now coming down to the wire if it's a go......) Have no idea at this point what is where and how many really....figured when finished planting would go over everything and list them and do estimates......really focusing on next things more actually too....right now just on autopilot....and getting a little tired and worn thin.......have really been focusing on larger future things.......since losing best spot....really haven't been pulling what I want.....and enough to cover everyone..(not only my people but their people also....so......in the end....that gross needed is a pretty heavy one and just not hitting it without the really big things........)

Stopped by earlier control plot, but now worthless as several rounds done/being done since then, but somewhat easier to time out now due to season...(control is couple hundred, maybe 3' or so.....actually textbook example of how placement/spacing dictates growth....which is always an interesting study to me....still not sexed yet, so taking it's toll regarding the above.....but not that bad anyway......only a couple spaced pretty tight....maybe like 200 or so spaced 6" or so....but still helping out with othe similar spots that access not easy....

 

[pico]

Glad to see this thread still going strong.

48" auger sounds nice. I was looking at renting one of those a couple years back. The guys ended up digging the holes by hand, but this thing could have made quick work and probably given us a bigger better hole. Plus, running heavy machinery is fun

What do you think of 2.75" x 24" auger for doing late season minis and using a cordless drill? I tried to search the thread, but the search function has some problems. I have seen larger ones, but they really seem to require a gas powered drill. I want do be nimble with this and this size seems to be pretty perfect.

Wow, I had never really tested water crystals before to see how much water they can suck up. I put a small pinch in a glass of water and they sucked up every last bit of water in there. Really amazing stuff, and I will be using them for sure.

 

[Julian]

Hey my friend....hope all is well...

I had a lb or 2 or crystals in my hand today and was lecturing someone about it, and told em basically we could fill an entire bathtub to the rim, toss the small amount in and, like, 30 minutes later, would be solid gel (He found easier understanding 2-55 gallon drums....all rough estimates, as ability depends on salt content...highest (48 gallons a lb) to lowest...etc......(actually have been having "fun" per say training those specific individuals lately....going over holes, yields, overviews, spots, amending....lot about patterns of growth as above by spacing and all combined and so on.....)

Minis like anything else...hole is the yield.....so, any and everything helps....could even go 12" or more, but, you know, short, quick...all depends on what you want to do....(Many insist depth not as important as width...from my experience (doing 36" deep holes for last several years)....nah....importance of depth is quick penetration of tap for groundwater, moisture, temps, and so on......if loose......first week or 2 it's going to hit bottom and good to go....jmo...many would disagree....lot of examples though......lot can be found in tree grows also...

Gas powered way to go....(and, even when the case, still not easy sometimes......use even a larger one and you see....larger, more power, fairly quick, but not that easy.....)

Have been going with just tilling things lately when smaller.....tighter spacing......fine line between when to till and when to drill and so on.....depends on lot of things...space, how many, soil, etc, etc..(how you happen to feel......)

Did 3 spots last 24hrs.....went with tilled....(2 tossed down quite a bit, crystals, amendments, nutes and such.......) Nothing too spectacular.....just a couple....maybe 300 per spot give or take or so.....

Just stopped in now.....but want to get to the above still....

 

[blackone]

You've inspired me to do several even later runs even though I've started out pretty late as it is (first plants out start of june - been planting here and there through june and july).
Got stuff to go out around tomorrow - more to go out in a week or less - and will also try a forced flower approach with swt#3 clones I took a few days ago when putting my indoor room in flower- hopefully these will root around start of august - then to 12/12 in cups for 2-3 weeks and then out to finish end august.
With a good september those might yield a little bit too.

 

[janus375]

Julian, how are your plants holding up in the crazy rain the NE is receiving this year? Lots people are saying that their plants all died cause all rain and no sun.

Janus

 

[Julian]

I don't go into regional specifics for obvious reasons.

I have spots that have received too much, and some not enough, and some in between, and less affected as worked later this year than from May.....

I think proper planning and execution can remedy all......(I am sure some would disagree, but I am usually doing better than most who would and do.....so much for that....)

My main problems last several years have been either the help, or tipping and splitting issues due to things too heavy and too large, and of course as many, late season moisture issues.....

Excess moisture before first 1/3rd of flowering has never been too much of an issue....

You've inspired me to do several even later runs even though I've started out pretty late as it is (first plants out start of june - been planting here and there through june and july).
Got stuff to go out around tomorrow - more to go out in a week or less - and will also try a forced flower approach with swt#3 clones I took a few days ago when putting my indoor room in flower- hopefully these will root around start of august - then to 12/12 in cups for 2-3 weeks and then out to finish end august.

Why would you want to force, when putting them out , they will basically begin flower immediately anyway?

Anything out right now is basically going to go shortly.....I would think keeping in, in cups, would only hurt yield...(vs. them going out as soon as ready.....)

June/July not bad.....should still see some bulk to em.....once starts get smaller, and farther into July you see the reduction.....

I've still got things going out....not larger per se...but enough veg on them that if they trigger immediately still going to have some size to them.....(should have been out a week or more ago.....site and scheduling and labor issues for me.....)

The weed business needs a unique type. Someone that is smart and cool enough to be able to do the growing, and someone that has what it takes to make and keep reliable connections with the buying community. Almost a split personality.

Well, as earlier....and depending on ones situation, personality....behavior, etc, etc....any number of ways to do things, and sure people here conduct themselves the full spectrum.....

I would say keeping both separate a wise choice...not easy to do.....and somewhat tiring.....and, as above....can take it's toll as shown in UC profiles and psych issues.....

Gets harder the further ones takes it.....and most slip on the discipline sooner or later.......hard to maintain anything 100%, day after day, week after week, year after year.....

not Julian, but its pretty normal Inject to be honest, I know of a lot of growers that keep to themselves mostly, but they do well enough to go to a tropical place for part of the year so its worth it for them..some could say its a hermit lifestyle, then there are guys who are completely careless and tell everyone, but somehow manage to pull down crop year after year. Im not really sure what the best way to deal with relationships and overall feeling that your breaking the law. Wouldn't we all love to be open about what we do with everyone, but its like you can't I don't even know what it is.. its gardening

However one can......whatever way best suits ones personality and lifestyle.....whatever is acceptable......and on and on......(referring to highlighted above).....

Like anything....and all people....most go overboard one direction or another....and finding that happy medium seems a problem for most people in life (with anything in life....I don't even know anyone who can be completely unbiased in a simple conversation...let alone live a balanced life.........)

I sometimes fall to one side or the other....but I try to always keep everything in perspective on a day to day basis..and try to catch myself when leaning too much either way....(sometimes I don't care and think it for the better.....sometimes I realize leaning one way and back off, etc........to me....it's actually a fairly constant balancing act, so.....and actually, it's more specific situations and people which create certain issues......ie: women/relationships watched closer...more careful.......any new people from any direction......family when periods of heavy work, but that's usually the easiest......

Year before last I was using the "work" excuses fairly often, and was running myself ragged to keep up.......ie: "Going to have long work day tomorrow....."....I'm up 3-4am, on the road....on site 8am......working till 6pm.....back on the road and "walking in from long day out" at 11pm, and so on......

Earlier in thread lot of examples and such.......I think best for everyone to keep things as quiet as possible......and always think twice about confiding in anyone about any aspect..........

Majority who know my business are 30 yr people......(people who have known for 30yrs).....then cell approaches......(no one person with complete knowledge)....and on and on.....

Not enough to be said on subject , and a fairly expansive one........

Just wanted to add what little I could:

Listen to Julian. He is not trying to steer you wrong. I am a living testament to the fact that growing as a sole source of income will destroy a person.

Kind of you to say, and sorry was right........

Growing as sole source covered earlier, and, as you see, covers much more than money.....

Money's always the easy part ....

I am reclusive, paranoid, depressed, anxious, physically unhealthy and addicted to the lifestyle. Anyone with a martyr/persecution complex or into self-fulfilling prophecies need not apply. It took me a while to figure out how much of that aspect played into my decision making.

Growing will make imaginary monsters real, and then you can turn around and tell everyone "see I told you so". This is what some thrive on. THERE IS NOTHING HOLY ABOUT SELF-DESTRUCTION.

I have been reading this thread and others like it for 3+ years. I have personally said things to Julian about wanting to work with him/someone like him. And no sooner did those words come out my mouth, I didnt follow through.

I have "grown" through the ranks of pitching dime bags, to copping/moving pounds, to competely isolating myself as a (sub-consciously on purpose) sub-par grower/lunatic. All the while, Julian has told me multiple times this is the direction I was heading, but "I knew better than him" and didnt heed all of his advice.

I have watched all of my optimism, social/financial/personal aspirations all but disappear. I now only have time for "fear", truly reverted to the level of an animal (my token animal - the squirrel). Everything is fight or flight, get out, grab a nut, get back before the predators eat you.

The very same thing which was at one time a liberating force, an undertaking which allowed MORE life, has morphed into a ruthless master which continually shortens the list of accepted activities.

Many of you reading this will chalk it up to me being a weak individual. Suffice it to say, I have ALREADY overcome more than most of you reading this will ever even consider having to deal with (real recognize real). Thats not the point.

I think sometimes there is no stronger individual than one who is able to look in mirror and see their faults, issues, problems, and take actions to correct them.....

Mere ability to recognize and address seems to be something not that common at all.........and a never ending supply of such people.....

Spoke of balance earlier......most leaning one way or the other...balance an issue......and I think the more one limits their exposure to many things, people, places......the harder to do (everything else keeping one balanced possibly......)

There are also psychological and social interaction issues when one limits their exposure to.....well....life........

(I think as an income issue also nothing good comes of it.......went through it recently with someone.....job......little this on side, little that on side....keeps them busy, something to do, and of course triple the income they would have if just doing one single thing, so.........

Strength is NOT the ability to trudge through discomfort and adversity for NO REASON. It is the ability to know WHEN to do WHAT. It is the harmonious outward manifestation of ALL aspects of yourself coming together despite adversity. When any one aspect throws the others under the bus, that is weakness. And it is possible to forget who you are.

In short, I used to have a personality/life + no money, and now I have no personality/life and only enough money to pay rent and eat. Its easier to make money than it is to dig your real self out from under 10 years of pent up anger, aggression, disappointment, and neurotic musings.

All that being said, Id like to let everyone know for as bad as it sounds, I am still confident in my ability to emerge from this. Its just that now the demons are of a different kind. Its much easier to battle the ones from outside than inside. Its easy when your enemies are genuinely external, but JUST WAIT until you search and search and search only to find that "the call is coming from inside the house!"

I think that was all very well said.....and obviously a testament to self awareness.....which as above I think few possess......and even fewer would care even if they had to ability.....

Don't get it confused, either. This is FAAAAAAAAR from my first breakdown/what is wrong with my life/ what am I going to do? episodes (probably far from the last, as well). Everytime you get through one, you think you will never see it again. "Over-confidence leads to irony" - Aesop Rock

Well, the older you get, the more you realize that it's not a question of whether you will see again, but when you will (which can be taken as motivation in ones life......

I wouldn't call it any of the above....but merely a time of reflection.......greater self awareness which most never have to begin with, so....say what you like man....nothing wrong with that......

I hate to muck up the thread, but I have gleaned much from it. I want to offer my viewpoint not as another "oh yeah, I did something like that back in the day, blah blah blah" but as an opportunity to see what happens when YOU let things get out of balance.

On a lighter note, Im a couple days away from pulling down what looks like it will be my single most successful harvest ever. The universe has done more than enough for me in terms of constant reassurance and back up. The fact I am free to type this proves such. NOW its MY turn to DO SOMETHING!

Well, congratulations of course on largest to date.......but, what are you going to do with it? (monetarily.....what you've gained spiritually.....knowledge, trial and error, etc....and on and on......combined with the realization of the things above....)

Balance mentioned above......I think few truly live "balanced" lives.......no one I know really does (off the top of my head), and this included 100% legit people, who never even smoked a cigarette......(actually, the more lacking in exposure and experience, the more unbalanced many seem to be )....

100% one way or the other is never a good thing...for anyone...ever.....and I think just takes away from ones life..."experiences".....

I like mention of "the universe".....my life became much easier when I realized I was but "a mere instrument" of "the universe".........ie: we fight, and fight, and work, and work......and never realize we're just pawns of "the universe".......maybe problems are mandatory lessons.......maybe obstacles are for a reason......(I had a bunch of those recently....ie: a reaction to several events, then learning shortly afterwards events were blessings.......a reason for them to my benefit.........I'm much more amused lately in the face of problems, because of course, could find out in 20 minutes the reason for such....

I think everyone has their own ideas and ways of addressing things when they think out of balance....lacking....excess.......so....maybe the best solution is seeing ones own issues and thinking what would correct...what the remedy is....my solutions are usually a little more dramatic than necessary ....can't think of an example (well, can....but not doing it now ).....

I think the ability of you to see and realize the above means the ability to correct .....(both of which many might never be able to do in their lifetime.....so, your already ahead of the game.......)

Personally?...for fear issues I usually just break them down and address with logic and reason........could add more but limited with time right now.....

P.S. I would love to hear as much as you are willing to share on the topic of your first out/ your struggles against poverty/ your life affirming dates with the AK, etc, Julian.

Lot above man........not many situations haven't been.....(good and bad)....and actually right now, doing much worse than most might think......but, is what it is man, ya know?.....nothing that endless work, some creative thinking and some discipline can't cure.......with maybe a pinch of doign things I would rather not........

All of those things above..........they're all temporary situations....

They're all things changed (easily or not) by a change in your mind....(which then becomes a change in action(s), and on and on......

I mean...what I get from the above?...(yours).....is you know and see yourself....(no matter what that might be, good or bad).......

Dude......your already way ahead of the game.....you just have to "wrap it up"...(again, temporary........life will show any given person 1,000+ situations, good and bad.....what varies is how one sees them, addresses them, and uses them......)

At this point in life....for me?.......there is very little that would actually surprise me.....affect me......very little that I wouldn't find something laughable about it.. (no matter how bad it might seem........)

I just added some pretty specific and I thought quite interesting stuff....little personal and specific, but took it out....deleted........

Problems.......we all have many....some quite serious........some severe....

I'd tell anyone take it all as a challenge to see how good you are ...to test yourself....to win......

Refuse to accept otherwise......and see where it takes you

The mind of man......the most powerful force the earth has ever known .....

No limit to how much fun one can have with that ...

Sometimes I see such problems as merely a puzzle to solve ....a "test".......of ones self......

That's why they exist right? ......either die or solve them ...overcome them any way possible.....through any means necessary .......

Spiritually?....I am starting to believe, all put there for a reason, to teach a lesson necessary for "the next level".....(I Ching material earlier......)

(That does not count though problems we ourselves knowingly create(d) though through either actions or none.......majority of all our problems we created.......there's a difference between that which we have, and that which we have not.......)

Through life......at least 70% of my problems (maybe as high as 95%) were ones I created......hence nowadays my behavior.......ie: I know that the decision I make today is the potential problem of tomorrow....

Some stuff on that earlier in thread....some even "funny" per se....

 

[blackone]

Why would you want to force, when putting them out , they will basically begin flower immediately anyway?

Anything out right now is basically going to go shortly.....I would think keeping in, in cups, would only hurt yield...(vs. them going out as soon as ready.....)

June/July not bad.....should still see some bulk to em.....once starts get smaller, and farther into July you see the reduction.....

I've still got things going out....not larger per se...but enough veg on them that if they trigger immediately still going to have some size to them.....(should have been out a week or more ago.....site and scheduling and labor issues for me.....)

I totally follow you and am also considering this. Only thing is that I don't know if the strain will even finish where I'm at (55N) without forcing - that's why I'm also putting out controls that haven't been forced.
Might also put most out as they are, and only do a few forced to see the difference.

 

[john cutter]

Pouring down rain and thunderstorms recently. Perfect time to get my final 90 minis out. made me think of this thread while in the patch.

Take advantage of this thread guys, so much info here.