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MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

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SatoriSOG

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hey julian, i know you prefer to do all your cloning, starts and such indoors, but was wondering if you had an experience with cloning/starts outside?
 
Julian I got to give you MAD PROPS man! I have been following along since about the beginning but didn't join until now. You must have balls the size of grapefruits my friend. I wish you peace and success in all your endeavors.
 

SatoriSOG

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by the way, my last post was referencing, doing clones ALL outside, not cutting and bringin em inside...any insight would be nice
 

Rob547

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Reading my way through this thread again :respect:
Have so many thoughts on all the stuff, wish I could make random comments to you as I'm reading haha. One thing we do see similarly was the 'people pay attention to whats ahead of them', etc etc, the large majority do not stop to smell the roses, or stray from the beaten path if you will, and this is particularly useful in finding some spots that may not have been taken advantage of. I grew very close to my own lawn last year and had no problems cause I knew people (upper class esp) don't just wander into the woods, they have other worries/preoccupations etc etc.
Also got that book you recommended, not a trader myself, too poor/young (yea never to early to invest) but have always been interested in it. Just got it earlier so haven't started yet.

Thanks for all the insane amount of input/suggestions/lessons in this thread. there were some other things I wanted to comment on but can't remember at the moment.

Having some issues with starting seedlings outdoors, first attempt at this, lost a bunch but just bagseed so whatever. Trying to get 12-15+plants going plus (hopefully) 2 runs of AFs (not many 15+) just to see results and for a little extra green. gotta start somewhere right? Money is actually holding me back more than anything right now. Kinda in a catch-22, no money for soil and other necessities, but lots of time, and expected greater need for money in the fall, so hard to decide whether or not to do more or just hope for the best with planned. I know your famous saying, and I have taken that to heart certainly.

I know you haven't posted here in a while but I'm sure your lurking around somewhere.... many thanks julian, stay safe..... and busy!
 

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Well, I wrapped this up and let it rest for several reasons......but, frankly, am seeing a lot here and in life lately that makes me think people just don't get some things.....and while I'd rather not repeat, well......it seems some things need be.....

My season is still taking twists and turns, and yet another reason why I figured I'd wrap it up....I know a lot of people who talk about what they have done, and, always don't find such not only attractive, but also counter productive...(ie: Yeah, okay, you did this yesterday...but what are you doing today/tomorrow).....

Between what I have seen lately in life....experienced with trainees, and even seen here in some cases, this forum and others....well....

Maybe it would be of benefit if I did continue.

Before anyone asks, my situation?

Have been working on locals......have been contemplating new.....and, frankly, starting to revert back to original thoughts, which are start working now on next May....(which frankly doesn't seem like enough time for what I would like to do)...Minimal skeleton crew, then nearing end bring in everyone to wrap it up in proper way (last minute, no contact, etc....)

(Would say very little regarding all partners and security...trainees?, well, have yet to decide but security issues never really matters I have had issues with as most very paranoid guys.....which I like and do value...just in certain cases not a good thing (working in field, etc)

At this moment?

79,612 seed. 15 people. 9 spots. 4 Drills.

Think I am going to bypass though and shoot for next May....(already less than 12 months, shortly 11 months.....)

(I still have the nasty taste of disappointment in my mouth from partners.....)

A possibility will utilize the above for last minute mini runs....(what has been discussed lately, and very hard to hold off until then...........very, very hard........Difficult for me to get through a nice day let alone another 6 weeks plus or minus to start moving....)

We will see.

I did also recently remember and discover the stash of old school hardcore stock that was given me :smoke:.....(and in same container saw I put some of last BOG SB and the hardcore pink....which I thought was done and lost.....some in the "We" stock, but, not sure as to stability of the we stock, so....very pleased and did consider also using that as basis for cloning to prep for mid/late season, but will hold onto them :smoke:

Back to business. My apologies to anything missed above but sure I left a rep message.

I will resume......try to keep it light and too the point because somewhat busy...


Reading my way through this thread again :respect:
Glad of interest........glad of use......glad of value......sorry for length :biglaugh:...
Have so many thoughts on all the stuff, wish I could make random comments to you as I'm reading haha. One thing we do see similarly was the 'people pay attention to whats ahead of them', etc etc, the large majority do not stop to smell the roses, or stray from the beaten path if you will, and this is particularly useful in finding some spots that may not have been taken advantage of. I grew very close to my own lawn last year and had no problems cause I knew people (upper class esp) don't just wander into the woods, they have other worries/preoccupations etc etc.
This applies to many areas of life......(paying attention to something other than right in front).....

Many times, they don't even to what is in front :smoke:...

"Obvious spots"?

I have grown for years 5-10 feet away from 250,000 people daily traffic in one of largest metropolitan areas in the world.

Fact.

Fact. Maybe numbers off..(maybe just 100,000, etc)...but, nevertheless.....(I have had conversations this year with people regarding even better spots than those.....and they're just terrified.....so.....have a new spot actually which is just plain laughable :biglaugh: (as far as where, how close to people, traffic......I told one long time partner cause he knows it well....just laughable........)

Relayed stories about looking for things only to find at my feet.....relayed stories about walking past plots of 10 footers numerous time....relayed stories about work crews almost flattening a p,lot with their supplies and completing work and leaving....and on and on.........

Mini's specifically change the playing field so to speak :smoke:.......

Also got that book you recommended, not a trader myself, too poor/young (yea never to early to invest) but have always been interested in it. Just got it earlier so haven't started yet.
I have been saying for quite a while we are in a point in history which great amounts of money will be made.....real estate also but stock market a game to know and understand well.....and even then sometimes people fail....volumes about it alone.....here not the place but one should always test and "dry practice" on their theories...ie: Make a call, make a price, test to see if you were right, etc.....Lot of people don't understand movement...
Having some issues with starting seedlings outdoors, first attempt at this, lost a bunch but just bagseed so whatever. Trying to get 12-15+plants going plus (hopefully) 2 runs of AFs (not many 15+) just to see results and for a little extra green. gotta start somewhere right? Money is actually holding me back more than anything right now. Kinda in a catch-22, no money for soil and other necessities, but lots of time, and expected greater need for money in the fall, so hard to decide whether or not to do more or just hope for the best with planned. I know your famous saying, and I have taken that to heart certainly.
Well.....yes....you do have to start somewhere.......everyone does....

You know....objectives of thread a slightly different level for a slightly different grower, but, glad you found of use, interest, and benefit.....and, as with all people/growers....everything works itself out in the end.....sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, and we go from there, wherever that may be/lead us.....Even the best of us have problems...obstacles.....so....
I know you haven't posted here in a while but I'm sure your lurking around somewhere.... many thanks julian, stay safe..... and busy!
I'm always around.....just didn't have anything to add and a little busy......I like to read also :smoke:....wide variety of interests, etc....
 

Julian

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I should have some interesting things to show in future.....

Agreements reached, planning in process, and seems as though funding in place...($300k, $900k due in 14+/- months, First 300+/- of yield covers that, 300 budgeted for small crew, everything over (600) gravy, said and done without a cent out of my pocket....:smoke:..."cost" is 125 per acre. I keep everything over 125 per acre and keep land when done.

Will be sharing specifics elsewhere when ready to do so....

Very excited......look forward to sharing something interesting and AF notes...

Edit: Fucking very excited.....:smoke: (I've got something to prove...to myself :smoke:...)
 

boroboro

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Wow -- that was a rollercoaster ride of highs, lows, and highs again. Between one post and the next Julian changes from:

Julian said:
starting to revert back to original thoughts, which are start working now on next May....

to

Julian said:
Fucking very excited.....

Good luck man, to the extent that luck is involved...
 

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All same train of thought....above is next May......working on same thing whole time, both referring to same.......but having things fall into place and actually being able to work on it, knowing firm plan in place is the excitement.....before still had a lot of questions...(extra funds, location, etc...ie: Hard to commit to a specific location when uncertain of budget available, etc.....)

Should be noted that's not covering the whole thing....I will be putting quite a bit of my own in...that's just what I felt I needed to feel "good" :biglaugh:....

Have been looking at properties here and there for a while but from stock, to supplies, to location, to salaries and expenses......just wasn't ":excited" about it.....ya know? (Above capital if for property only, and only a portion of down....everything else out of my own pocket......could be couple hundred, but, wasn't about to throw everything out of my own, so......)

No check yet, so.......but no reason to believe there will be a problem (doesn't mean there can't, so....but enough to get me excited.....

Luck?....thanks.....will need some....but I think quite a bit less than previous ops due to overview...(30-40 days as compared to 90-120 days, etc)
 

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You guys have to bring a little more than 1,000 or so if you want to compete with me..... :smoke:..

Good luck though..........and, try to keep in mind things discussed....I've seen a lot of people doing a lot of things which are extremely inefficient, and, lining them up for more work than they can handle....

Every action, no matter how minor it may seem, becomes multiplied down the road...hate to see people lose things down the road or be unable to complete work due to overextending themselves (knowingly)......

Not about any competition.......about everyone doing what they can (when and where and how they can) to the best of their ability and resources,.......and, for that I wish everyone the best...as always.....I have a little more of many things than most people..(crew, equipment, budgets, spots, etc....so.....)
 
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Wasnt there a couple of guys last year mentioning a competition?Pictoral?Reibsi etc?
 

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On that note......I received extremely disappointing news regarding the above......but, have brushed it aside and used anger to fuel this seasons plans....

I have also made a decision discussed many times, which is I think I am done with big ones...too much work (initial, planning, prep)...too much exposure (entire season working, prepping, height, size, etc), too much risk.....

I think I am done..........right now put everything off and starting to line up all projects as mini's, and, as soon as AF stock ready to go can basically run entire seasons from start to finish as small......

Am going to stick with extremely tight spacing and efficiency, so.....think yields will be there..(and again, less visibility, risk, exposure, work......)...Smaller locations required...(I got too used to my 4,000 acre one :biglaugh:)......Mini's, I can consider smaller acreages which I normally would just wave off in the past...(ie: Hey, so and so's got 30 acres over there.....Nah......nope......)

People who have been around thread since start know I have been thinking many things.....feeling much moire skittish lately...more indecisive (which all do this time of the season, and even in off season with planning and such.....)

So....that's it.......I'm done with big ones (I think....who knows what will happen in future).......am scheduling and prepping multiple rounds, locations.....figuring out details of certain things....and in the process have been prepping for initial round of about 8,000 or so......have to figure bottom line as far as spot, people........

Another decision,......(funding helped with this one......) I am done with people...

My new approach is I assign duties far in advance, I check if tasks completed by certain dates and if not?...They're written off...ie: You and I discuss something, we visit site, we declare a certain area prepped by a certain date, be it holes or tilled and nutes.......if not done, your out, it's done, it's over...

Tired of the risk........tired of the exposure....tired of trying to make other people money when they themselves don't care enough to do it themselves.....)

Nah.........mini's, hit and runs, high efficiency (prepping, planting, spacing), minimal FoF tolerance....

I always tried so hard to do what I can for everyone around me....those days are over and that's done.....

Agreement made....details outlined...anyone fails once they are out....(Already got rid of 3 people last couple days.....they were given simple tasks previously....tasks not done?.....They're done.)

In the end I might end up with simply the oldest and most tried and true....and do whatever is possible with that crew...(again, mini's only...hit and runs......)

We went over quite a bit regarding the benefits and bonus's security wise of mini's......smaller ones...(exposure, risk, speed, even yield if efficient.....urban......)

Going to change everything up.......(note......funds above just delayed, but, after season.......so......in my mind it's written off......after season?....and what good is it after season (and then I am months away from next season with not enough time to do everything and under the gun....)

Nah.........

Larger one I want going to be done......but, in meantime..."trimming the fat" per se.....I have ZERO tolerance for bullshit, and, it's done.....redoing everything......

Actually as discussed.....enormous amounts of work can be completed by people actually working..(ie: imagine what one can plant during a 20hr day with minimal breaks with holes done......or if tilled, simply with hand spade......one of my last urban I did 100 in under an hour....dark, pouring rain...so, trying to do my numbers to see what crew of 4 can do as far as effectiveness and efficiency.......)

Anyway....that's where I am....mini's only...AF stock soon......no more big ones....no more extended crew (worthless weight...money out of pockets of everyone who actually worked for it....)...going to go smaller crew and tighter.....many locations....some indoors in the works, etc......

(Not to mention.....I've just had it overall......just had it.....done....can't take the stress anymore.....exposure for extended periods....can't do it...not in me anymore.....30 day risk/exposure on hit and runs?.....well...that I can take :smoke: (Definition being smaller, initial planting.....30 days 2nd half and remainder of flower)......

So...that's my input and position as of now.....no more big ones....cutting down crew to those proven (and I know they do what they say they do, when they do it).....mini's/.AF's, hit and runs.....tight spaced, efficient, etc....

I've had it.....I'm tired....it's time for complete and true retirement.......and only taking along those who deserve it....work for it.......
 

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buddymate said:
Wasnt there a couple of guys last year mentioning a competition?Pictoral?Reibsi etc?
I was in....I was ready........no one had any interest in putting anything up though......(what's a competition or winning without a prize,.........was only 2-4 p's each....($5,000 each entry...)..when going for "largest plot/op".....$5,000 nothing......for most in US a p and a half.....
 

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I just had my first experience of throwing a 1000 peat pucks in a bathtub, im in the process of popping sprouts in each one (make sure you inflate them outside and not in your bathtub lol..) , a little more tedious then I expected lol makes me wonder why I chose af over regular strains.. but you know what the spots im using couldn't be done without mini plants or extremely staggered and spread out 1/4 - 1/2 lbs, and im guaranteed something a bit earlier.
 

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hamstring said:
Good luck to you this year Julian. I hope all goes well.
PEACE
Thank you man.....really, truly......and the same to you........same to everyone.......weather wise looks good so far.....

Just excited to be back to work.....really miss it...really love it.....

I'm developing some different thought processes....objectives.....I'm just excited to be back to work.....sure I'm not alone....:smoke:....

Same similar reasons why I always liked fems....."lead time" reduced to basically 10 days more or less to out......minis.....AF's...limited lead time (minimal), limited risk, limited exposure, limited visibility.......I'm feeling much more comfortable now this way, so....maybe I'll be in a better mood from now on......stress was getting to me.......doing too much, too long......"pushing my luck" so to speak......:smoke:...Couldn't go on the way I have, so...have to adjust procedure, methods, expectations to fit desires, etc......




antimatter said:
I just had my first experience of throwing a 1000 peat pucks in a bathtub, im in the process of popping sprouts in each one (make sure you inflate them outside and not in your bathtub lol..) , a little more tedious then I expected lol makes me wonder why I chose af over regular strains.. but you know what the spots im using couldn't be done without mini plants or extremely staggered and spread out 1/4 - 1/2 lbs, and im guaranteed something a bit earlier.
You should have gotten the best trays or container, hydrated inside those. The take each out and seed them....(Again....volume you must create the most efficient process for everything.....an extra 25 seconds x 1,000.......well :smoke:....)

I'm well aware of what it feels like to manually insert seed into medium.....now you know :smoke:...been doing it for years, and, sure you will agree...until you have done it.....well, one can't understand :biglaugh:.....Royal PITA......(ie: Every single seed....placed just right, one by one :smoke:.....) One of my least favorite things in process actually......

Are those stock from fem run?......if so, tested before this run? (just asking.....)

Depends what you want and your after and your objectives........as above...I'm done with big ones.......from now on 30 days my max exposure....(40, whatever...not 9 months, etc....years when I work off clones moms get started Jan 1st.....so.......indoor for several months, out for several months?....Nah.....2 weeks in, then out, with real exposure 2nd half of flower?....it's what I have deemed is the least risk possible to accomplish runs, so.........I'm happy with it.....

Note: If you can pull a z per, 1,000 comes out to about 60-65 p's I think....(200k).....

Not bad for 70 days work :smoke:....(and don't let anyone tell you that you can't do it...all depends on what your working with (ground, soil...most amount of work in prep).....my last urban one of last, as above, I did 100 in less than an hour with hand spade..(late, mini's).....10hrs planting....call it 16 for more reasonable pace.........real issue is prepping spot(s)......200 per, 5 locations.....not unreasonable if you can put in the work......1000 sq. ft is not an immense amount of space....(would be 5 plots, 10' x 20', 1 per sq. ft...I know women in their 70's who do a 10' x 20' spot :smoke:........younger, in shape, with a sense or purpose can do 5 :smoke:)
 
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One should also not forget......while one never wants to overestimate yield and have unrealistic expectations (overestimate expenses, underestimate yields, etc), over 1 per entirely possible...(Have a mini in gallery which had a footprint of about 9 sq. inches and hit almost 1/4 p (dried and cured...single cola, but, little larger)
 

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You know I got fancy trays and I put the pucks in them after they inflated lol your a smart cookie.

Yes AF fem auto ak, and I have tested the stock, but didn't get to complete a full flower because my space was still filled with pollen from when I made the fems, I wasn't aware how viable the pollen, I caught it in time but it had alot be desired. So far 90+% of seeds germinate so im quite happy with that because when I tried them initially after making them, they were around 20%

Wouldn't want to make any guesses on price, can't really think about anything until its in and out of my hands, I may do more for fun not to sure yet, workload is only 10 hours for 1000 squarefeet among 10 or so spots thats 2 hours in the morning for 5 days not much then bringing in plants on top of that and I can irrigate if need be in july/august. I measured all ingredients beforehand and bag it up to make things simple. With that said im gonna get some rest gotta be up at 3 :) its perfect working hours.
 

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antimatter said:
You know I got fancy trays and I put the pucks in them after they inflated lol your a smart cookie.
Whatever trays or container you got......had pic earlier of almost 500 in a 40" x 40" footprint...just add water till ready to go out.....last yr my turnaround was 10 days or less from seed....

Volume your looking for max efficiency.......

Start of my prep is usually to fill and arrange trays......(regardless of medium chosen...if pots?....I fill and arrange trays....if pucks?, I dump and arrange trays....hydrate hundreds at a time by adding water.....period.......(when I plant/place seed I expand them a little more by hand, so....usually makes room for 10%+ more......so I always double up on corners and such.....)
Yes AF fem auto ak, and I have tested the stock, but didn't get to complete a full flower because my space was still filled with pollen from when I made the fems, I wasn't aware how viable the pollen, I caught it in time but it had alot be desired. So far 90+% of seeds germinate so im quite happy with that because when I tried them initially after making them, they were around 20%
Maybe too fresh....I've always treated seed like product, and gotten almost 100% rates from my own stock....
Wouldn't want to make any guesses on price, can't really think about anything until its in and out of my hands, I may do more for fun not to sure yet, workload is only 10 hours for 1000 squarefeet among 10 or so spots thats 2 hours in the morning for 5 days not much then bringing in plants on top of that and I can irrigate if need be in july/august. I measured all ingredients beforehand and bag it up to make things simple. With that said im gonna get some rest gotta be up at 3 :) its perfect working hours.
I personally prefer to put in the long hours all at once......Have done probably up to 48hrs straight on site before....multiple visits increases exposure and risk.....ie: 5 trips, 5 times more risk.....Just my opinion.....

Sounds good on packaging.....(pre mix and package all supplies in advance so can readily (quickly) apply.........always done the same with my dry mixes....)

Good luck.
 
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