MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[pakalolo420]

Couldn't agree more. Rain keeps people indoors, obscures visual acuity and covers noise. One could hardly ask for a better help. Add in some wind too and you are set. The only real downside is footprints in the mud, but as long as it keeps raining after you leave those will be mostly melted away by the rain too.

 

[Julian]

The only real downside is footprints in the mud, but as long as it keeps raining after you leave those will be mostly melted away by the rain too.

exactly.....

Harder the rain, the quicker that occurs....

 

[Julian]

Okay,.... A clarification of "The 4 Senses of Self"

Put much simpler......

1 Who you think you are......

(Who you believe yourself to be, your description, what one says about themselves, thinks their place in the world is, etc....)

2.Who others think you are.......

(How others would describe you....the impression your words, actions, looks, manner, behavior has...their perceptions and how they would describe you based on that....)

3.How you think others think you are...

(If you were to try and predict the above...what they would say you look like, act like, speak, your manner.....what you think they would say...People...everyone around you....not life long friend...the world...)

4.Who you really are......

(The facts. No opinions of anyone. A Resume, a scale, a position, etc. Reality.)

You'll almost never meet anyone that all are equal.....

 

[dj digigrow]

city pics??

 

[Julian]

You know, those will be edited for location ........(your probably like 20 minutes away from a couple spots )

Didn't get to larger one this weekend, but, heard everything well (for the most part....),so...might have some shots of that...(know some were taken...)

City ones?...well, I'll get to em when I get to em.....(I don't just "go" there....I try and stay away as much as possible, so....visit has to coincide with a purpose.....might be stopping in there today if I have a chance before sundown (have to sex a plot,so.......been watching it..)

(Edit: You got to remember man...this is a wide open spot in middle of city, with....I don't even know...could be between 500-700 in one spot....and, on top of it, they might be a little too big also, so...that is not a space I want to be at anymore than I have to........I'll get to it when I get to it....ya know?.........Not a joke man...some very serious shit....)

 

[phrank]

Great outdoor strain!

Great outdoor strain!

You ought to give Shark Shock by Mr. Nice Seeds a shot - works well outdoors. Their Early Queen is a winner too!

phrank

 

[Julian]

I actually had planned earlier in running the MNS SS and the Shit, and, had a germ issue with those.....not sure if the specific batch or that specific package got run through x ray or something to that effect, but, germ rate was almost nil on last batch I received....(In no way to be taken as a recommendation against it......I got it in the first place because I did like it.......so....think I just got a bad run or maybe postal issues, etc...Germ rate on that batch was nil and found out others had similar issues with last batch of one of those two.....

 

[Guest]

Good luck Julian... hope it all goes down perfectly for you guys inspiring for sure...thanks for sharing.

 

[Julian]

Well thanks man........

It will.....it always does......

Whole point of thread is not how and if I can......

The whole point of thread is that you can

That's what it's about, started as, and, will continue as....

What one might need to know and do and be aware of.....

Threads not about me man.....

It's about you

 

[Pimpslapped]

Threads not about me man.....

It's about you

See? That's why I like this guy.

And the best part is all this info scales down easily, I don't have any plans to go massive scale. But the same factors apply to small scale as to large, to some degree. I'm enjoying figuring things out from the top down, or at least working on that... instead of from the bottom up.

And it just keeps striking me at odd times how simple it actually is.

 

[GorillaGrower]

As far as the permits and contractors go.. I'm not sure how it would work so I'm just speculating..

The local gov is scoped or you know how well they check in your area for permits(or your in the country) .. your friends with the contractor for a long time and he does side(no permit) jobs for you using a crew.. w cash obviously. Knowing full well where the cash came from.. and that you need to hook him up with a z or bo for his own dome at that. : D

or is someone just to ask for several small mid sized contractors to come in for estimates... and you pull the old "slip him a $50" move and just ask outright if they'll work off permit for cash. Then they'll know the area and say if its cool or not.

Sorry not trying to get to in depth.. about a small dumb thing.. but just wondering



On another note next years stock came in.. for the mid east c SSH, chemdogXsd , sd x og jlp. for up north cherry bomb indica, bazooka joe master kushx skunk, calizhar,SHARK SHOCK now I just need to turn it all into bags of fem'd seed before spring!!

 

[filimagno]

Well thanks man........

It will.....it always does......

Whole point of thread is not how and if I can......

The whole point of thread is that you can

That's what it's about, started as, and, will continue as....

What one might need to know and do and be aware of.....

Threads not about me man.....

It's about you

this is my philosophy too dude...and i try to share with my fellas everytime!!!

BIG UP FOR YA WAY OF THINKING!!! WE ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT!!!A.K.A DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO ..CAUSE YOU CAN DO IT!!

 

[pakalolo420]

Yep. It scales down very easily. If one can realistically do thousands, think how easily one can do only a hundred or so... Anyone with a few square feet of indoor space to do starts and the odd day to spend once a month or so doing maintenance can successfully pull off a crop. Divide that hundred into let's say five separate spots of only twenty or so, and even with truly rotten luck- animals, rippers etc.- one can still expect to have enough to keep oneself and one's friends in smoke for a full year. The major time commitment is in fact locating your sites, and if you have another outdoor hobby- bird watching, hunting, hiking, mountain biking etc.- that gets you out in the bush, you are already more than halfway there already.

Almost anyone can do this.

 

[Julian]

Some really good points and issues below..........

See? That's why I like this guy.

Thanks man.....Nice of you to say..

And the best part is all this info scales down easily, I don't have any plans to go massive scale. But the same factors apply to small scale as to large, to some degree.

"The Rules".........apply to everything period, and, in some cases even crossing over from indoor to outdoor and back again.....

I'm enjoying figuring things out from the top down, or at least working on that... instead of from the bottom up.

Actually, a lot of the time you do work it backwards......especially the later you go in season......You work your way back.....

And it just keeps striking me at odd times how simple it actually is.

Well, it is.......(aside from the work )

See, now, the main thing I have been trying to focus on is not so much scaling it down....but how easily it can be scaled up....

ie: Someone doing 10 can easily do 100.......someone doing 100 can easily go 1,000, and, people doing 1,000?......Can easily break into virtually any level they wish to.....

The basics remain the same......

All starts and basically deciding factor is can one grow...

If one can grow?....Well, any number you wish to run is a done deal.....

Numbers, limitations, of course come from all different sources.....what one wants to do, what space one has, penalties, budget one has, physical abilities one has.....but, I mean, as above.....

Round before last (why I chose to insert pics for that point...).....one can do 500 in a sq. meter (with, what?...light?....some trays?......some jiffy's?.....bottle of nutes?........)

I said earlier anyone could run 1,000 from a closet for under $1,000.......

I mean, that's not a joke....that's not an exaggeration.....take off cost of stock (seed), and, I can run 10,000+ probably for under $1,000.....

(Note.......above not including site supplies,tools, etc, but, depends on what one wants to do....(ferts...).....

So, all applicable, but, I was kind of focusing more on the ease that something can be scaled up

I've trained people in real life in a day or less.......many times......

It's all not that difficult.......

(As above, if one wishes to learn everything possible?.....well, lifelong process, and, the best of luck, but, it's really not necessary........

Security, Logistics issues I think are of greater necessity than understanding recessive traits, etc, etc....things of that nature.....

 

[PhenoMenal]

Awesome thread bro, K+

 

[Julian]

As far as the permits and contractors go.. I'm not sure how it would work so I'm just speculating..

Some things you need a permit, others you do not....

Some things you can get away without having a permit, others you can not....

Lot of places have "code enforcement/ inspection services", etc (titles vary by city, etc, of course) and, really, their only job is to check such things, and, will frequently drive through streets, etc, looking for issues (of course, the true objective is only for revenue generation for city.....ie: "juice fees".....)

Lot of things depend on what's being done......(ie: a full demo will need one, because rule of thumb is if you have a dumpster on site....you better have a permit.....Cause they will stop and check it out....)

(Although I always recommend against them for many reasons....I'm actually entering a "flip" right now......I saw the opportunity...have some new crews very reasonable....can probably make a quick 50k....so.......will do it.....I will use that an as example.....)

Large unfinished basement....ie: Nothing going out......only materials coming in...

(Typically a lot of plumbing and electric will be bound to get permits, unless your crews can do it....but, there is also the issue of they had better be good, because depending on city and what they require......sure...you might be able to get away without having one, but, at some point you may have to have one for other reasons, so, all work had better be straight (to code....)

In short, without longer explanation...a lot depends on what your hauling out....(and how your hauling it out )

Redoing a floor?.......drywalling rooms?....new doors......new windows....landscaping...new appliances....new counter top...new cabinet.....may all be beyond needing a permit.....

A new bath?.......reworking the panel?........structural changes? (addition, rear or upwards...)......such things might need one (but, again, you might be able to get around those depending on who is doing the work....)

Although, realistically, a 2nd story addition would completely be pushing it and there is most likely no way possible one would be able to get around that (ie: as it would be rather obvious )

All depends on municipality........it's about their juice......hell, some places want a permit (read: fee) even to have your broker put a for sale sign in front

Note: some municipalities will also require your contractor to be "licensed" in that city...(ie: come to us and pay us $75 and we will issue you one )....ie: juice....

In any case....

The local gov is scoped or you know how well they check in your area for permits(or your in the country) .. your friends with the contractor for a long time and he does side(no permit) jobs for you using a crew.. w cash obviously. Knowing full well where the cash came from.. and that you need to hook him up with a z or bo for his own dome at that. : D

Well, let's be realistic.......

No explanation is necessary, nor does anyone care where the money came from, and, all contractors want cash... (Because they don't want to declare it, nor does his crew(s) want to declare it either .....

They're all on the same page

Now......there are valid reasons for not wanting permits, for both....

He doesn't want to because he doesn't want to deal with more bullshit and fees and licensing......

You don't want to because of course could affect your property taxes (improvements, reassessment, etc)....

He knows that You know that

Contractors take cash, want cash, really don't want to mess with permits unless they have to..(and you have to/the project)...no explanation necessary.....

Note: Contractors in themselves are a large topic...if you know them, know their work, etc, that's one thing, but, I know a lot of people who have had problems, and, please people, whatever you do....do not pay them all upfront

(If they are straight?....they shouldn't have a problem with that either )

(Good friend recently had an issue with forking over 25k.......needless to say....measures were taken, but, in doing so, they had to give up half (50%-12.5k) in order to get it back (collection "fees" to "collectors" ) The contractor (sub) had to be "located" and the initial fees........"re-acquired"

or is someone just to ask for several small mid sized contractors to come in for estimates... and you pull the old "slip him a $50" move and just ask outright if they'll work off permit for cash. Then they'll know the area and say if its cool or not.

Well, stuff like this all depends who and what you are, and how you are....

I mean, as above, there are valid reasons for not wanting one, and also, there are many jobs that will not need one, and, reasons he may not want to get one....

All depends on what your doing, and, in the end, "the mess" I think determines it (or, how visible)...(ie: 2nd story addition......new garage......new driveway.........anything visible from street.......)

So...it's "mess"....and, what you can see from street.......(and also how municipality functions........some have presale inspections...some have compliance inspections, so...of course, if you buy something that is a total POS, and, then want to sell and they come right back a month later for a pre sale /compliance inspection and completely different house?, well, of course, they are going to know, and, might want you to purchase them

All depends on what you want, and where you are....., but, again....as above......many legitimate reasons not to want one, for owner and contractor...all depends on the mess, visibility and municipality you are in....

(Many, many do work themselves also, and, never apply for permits, so.....)

Sorry not trying to get to in depth.. about a small dumb thing.. but just wondering

No problem man...hope answers of use....

On another note next years stock came in.. for the mid east c SSH, chemdogXsd , sd x og jlp. for up north cherry bomb indica, bazooka joe master kushx skunk, calizhar,SHARK SHOCK now I just need to turn it all into bags of fem'd seed before spring!!

Working on next year even before this one finished.... Welcome to the club

I think everyone should always be aware of and do the same...(I was already working on next year I think even before we started planting this year )




Edit: Yeah, so, in short.......lot of people miss that:
In many cases "permit" equals higher future property taxes (Which are bad for you, and, also affect property resale as higher property taxes will be passed onto buyer now...)

 

[Julian]

this is my philosophy too dude...and i try to share with my fellas everytime!!!

BIG UP FOR YA WAY OF THINKING!!! WE ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT!!!A.K.A DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO ..CAUSE YOU CAN DO IT!!

Thanks man.....very nice of you to say.......

Seems a lot of people missed the entire point.....

Of course, this thread is an offshoot of the indoor, which of course dealt with the process in general, a "theoretical" discussion of all aspects involved, not a "grow diary", not a "picture thread", merely a discussion of the process and issues one might face in a larger project...and what one might have to address and be aware of at any given time throughout.....

Not about me or mine...never was......I merely added things here and there to illustrate points....things of use to people.....things I think that most might overlook/should know......

It's their thread.....

Not mine....

I've trained countless people over countless years......and done the same number of large projects....

Most close to me know these threads and posts might also be me offering what I can because I'm "on my way out"....(Lot written in other thread about "knowing to say when".....knowing when "enough is enough"...knowing when to "quit while your ahead".....

Well......I'm pretty far ahead ......

Would like it if anything could be of use to people....help people.....info may double a yield....prevent a bust.....double/triple or more someones net worth, get people into their first homes.....prevent a lot things many (including me ) "learned the hard way"......

Couple posts to possibly do such for even a single person?......

Then well worth it, and, glad to of been of service......

 

[Julian]

Yep. It scales down very easily. If one can realistically do thousands, think how easily one can do only a hundred or so... Anyone with a few square feet of indoor space to do starts and the odd day to spend once a month or so doing maintenance can successfully pull off a crop. Divide that hundred into let's say five separate spots of only twenty or so, and even with truly rotten luck- animals, rippers etc.- one can still expect to have enough to keep oneself and one's friends in smoke for a full year. The major time commitment is in fact locating your sites, and if you have another outdoor hobby- bird watching, hunting, hiking, mountain biking etc.- that gets you out in the bush, you are already more than halfway there already.

Almost anyone can do this.

Well, and, as above my friend......my concentration really on showing the reverse......

How easily it can be scaled up....

Now, some might say raising numbers is greed, etc, but, I would say to those people tell that to the guy who spent the season working on his 20 to lose them to thieves or animals, ending the season with nothing to show...

Tell that to the guy who an extra 10-20k-30k may very well change his life...

Numbers are not initially about numbers....it's about a guaranteed return on your time and efforts...

You go higher....you spread em out.......you do different things different times?....and your bringing in something.....period..

You lose a spot? So what?.....you have 10 more.(or 20, or 30, etc...)......Cest le vie....

Lost of people decide they want to "do" 100, so, they plant 100 and then are surprised and disappointed when and if they have problems and bring home 60......

Well, not how it works.......

You budget initially for loss.......you budget for thieves....you budget for animals...etc....

I've lost one spot of 100 earlier...lost another 10 or so in a spot to a tree falling in storm....lost another 10-20 or so to animals.....and, seems like there is also the distinct possibility one of my larger city spots might have been discovered.......

Bad season, bad weather, negative events.......

Such is the life or the urban farmer

I merely see larger numbers as an "insurance policy"....I could lose 2000 and still hit my target......

It's not about "greed"....it's about reaping the rewards for the fruits of your labor regardless of what might befall one during the season.....

(Granted, everything might be fine ....but...you never know......)

See, the above you say 5 spots, 20 each...I'd say do 50 spots 20 each

(I know...depends on ones area to a degree, but, since I do urban spots, I'm inclined to disagree...)

It also takes the shape of compensation, and what is acceptable, and, what is not (addressed in indoor thread previously....)

I do understand, and, I do accept and respect all others needs and desires, but, my personally philosophy is I am not going to go down for ps.....

I'm not going to be put through legal system to any degree, accumulate attorneys fees, for an unknown period of time for PS....

(When, in the end, you could have bought it for 100 times less than the final price tag....)

Me, personally?......I won't risk that.......I won't....

jmo....just how I see it......

Your going to do it?....well, I think one should carefully weigh the risk against the rewards.....

(Also, people should note that about 20 or so states have the tax stamp issues in effect, so they can also throw tax evasion charges on top of the others if they choose to....)

Ehhh...got a long detailed call and now totally lost train of thought

 

[Julian]

Awesome thread bro, K+

Thanks...very nice of you to say....

That CS one is quite interesting also.......makes me think twice about blowing off vacation and instead doing a small "winter project"

(I could reealllly make some good use of some femmed AF's )

 

[pakalolo420]

Well, and, as above my friend......my concentration really on showing the reverse......

How easily it can be scaled up....

Now, some might say raising numbers is greed, etc, but, I would say to those people tell that to the guy who spent the season working on his 20 to lose them to thieves or animals, ending the season with nothing to show...

Tell that to the guy who an extra 10-20k-30k may very well change his life...

Numbers are not initially about numbers....it's about a guaranteed return on your time and efforts...

You go higher....you spread em out.......you do different things different times?....and your bringing in something.....period..

You lose a spot? So what?.....you have 10 more.(or 20, or 30, etc...)......Cest le vie....

Lost of people decide they want to "do" 100, so, they plant 100 and then are surprised and disappointed when and if they have problems and bring home 60......

Well, not how it works.......

You budget initially for loss.......you budget for thieves....you budget for animals...etc....

I've lost one spot of 100 earlier...lost another 10 or so in a spot to a tree falling in storm....lost another 10-20 or so to animals.....and, seems like there is also the distinct possibility one of my larger city spots might have been discovered.......

Bad season, bad weather, negative events.......

Such is the life or the urban farmer

I merely see larger numbers as an "insurance policy"....I could lose 2000 and still hit my target......

It's not about "greed"....it's about reaping the rewards for the fruits of your labor regardless of what might befall one during the season.....

(Granted, everything might be fine ....but...you never know......)

See, the above you say 5 spots, 20 each...I'd say do 50 spots 20 each

(I know...depends on ones area to a degree, but, since I do urban spots, I'm inclined to disagree...)

It also takes the shape of compensation, and what is acceptable, and, what is not (addressed in indoor thread previously....)

I do understand, and, I do accept and respect all others needs and desires, but, my personally philosophy is I am not going to go down for ps.....

I'm not going to be put through legal system to any degree, accumulate attorneys fees, for an unknown period of time for PS....

(When, in the end, you could have bought it for 100 times less than the final price tag....)

Me, personally?......I won't risk that.......I won't....

jmo....just how I see it......

Your going to do it?....well, I think one should carefully weigh the risk against the rewards.....

(Also, people should note that about 20 or so states have the tax stamp issues in effect, so they can also throw tax evasion charges on top of the others if they choose to....)

Ehhh...got a long detailed call and now totally lost train of thought

You make good points. My post was aimed at someone who had probably hadn't tried growing outdoors and would be unlikely to begin on a large scale, someone who wanted to dip their toe before jumping in. Most people will start small to see how it all works before trying to do more. And most of your advice would in fact apply to and be useful to them as well.

Once one has grown and is less intimidated by the idea, then one can consider scaling up. I think my first outdoor grow was three plants. I probably got a few joints worth and I was thrilled.