MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Pimpslapped]

Great stuff as always.

Gives me something to think about on the financial side. Really, businesses and other sorts of investments to me are like trying to read Sanskrit... Have a hard time getting my head around a lot of the details.

But in general terms, it all makes sense. It doesn't take all that much to build up to a lot. Just have to set a goal and work towards that (Something I've never really practiced all that much due to lack of ambition.).

Anyone care to address a slightly more specific topic? You mention investing in businesses, etc.. How does one find these investment opportunities? Buying a property and flipping it, I see simply enough. But where I start to have trouble is when trying to picture 'investing' in an existing business. Be it a bar, a casino or a landscaping company. I'm sure networking with people plays a large role in that, but people skills are not my forte.. so can anyone clarify that aspect of things a bit?

Good advice also on watching the tempratures in the forecasts. Not something I had thought about as much.

And I missed it at first, but thanks for the reply to my earlier post (Taking water with you) I am very familiar with the effects of dehydration on ones physical abilities. Something to keep in mind is that you should take water, not other beverages such as soda (Which contains caffeine, a diuretic) If you're going to be out for a long day, packing a lunch seems wise too. Working all day out in the sun takes a lot out of even the healthiest person.

 

[Pimpslapped]

Some people may think some things are beyond them for various reasons, and, in some cases, they very well may be, but, when your running a virtual printing press for cash....those kind of disappear as far as ones limitations

Good point! Though there's always the matter of turning weight into cash, for some people a much simpler proposition than for others. I know if I had an elbow right now, I'd probably have a hard time getting rid of it, at least in a 'reasonable' timeframe and without causing undue gaps in security.

 

[New Grower]

I don't know any more profitable thing than a good indoor garden the outdoor growing also can be a profitable hobby but...

I have no idea what should I do with the money to make more profit... maybe I should open a good gym but I dunno (that costs too much for a slightly profit)

Mike Mcgorty (or WTF) says that the maple-tree business is so good but I don't think so... where I live almost nobody has money... just a little monthly fix for 8 hours hard work a day... sadly.

I wanna be much like the local mayor :-@

NG

 

[dj digigrow]

Well thanks man....(and what are ya doing on your phone anyway???)

I read icmag from my phone.(every chance I get)..its the palm treo 700wx. just moved and waiting for my internet connection..

 

[Julian]

Gives me something to think about on the financial side. Really, businesses and other sorts of investments to me are like trying to read Sanskrit... Have a hard time getting my head around a lot of the details.

Well, it all depends "what your into".....There are many other things I do/control/over see but don't go into that much because they're really not things that the "average" person find "simple"....

(I'm heavily into trading for example......for those who already trade, I tend to offer some things of substance and guidance, but, for someone who has never traded before.....much more of an issue and similar to the above "Can't be read, taught, learned, etc"...either you "have it", or you don't it seems.....

There are also simply people who just don't care....have the time, etc, to aggressively manage their investments, in which case more traditional things might be more suitable, but, I find buildings (apartments) fairly straight forward.....(I have friends for example who love their commercial, but, not me.........no thanks.....spaces sit empty for years at a time, etc, etc...)

But in general terms, it all makes sense. It doesn't take all that much to build up to a lot. Just have to set a goal and work towards that (Something I've never really practiced all that much due to lack of ambition.).

All above "how it's done"....not theory........done every day by many..... (and, likewise, I speak from having practiced it, not reading or some late night seminar...where most is actually bullshit to begin with and the way they really make their money is selling seminars and materials )

(Actually a huge business in itself btw......)

Anyone care to address a slightly more specific topic? You mention investing in businesses, etc.. How does one find these investment opportunities? Buying a property and flipping it, I see simply enough. But where I start to have trouble is when trying to picture 'investing' in an existing business. Be it a bar, a casino or a landscaping company. I'm sure networking with people plays a large role in that, but people skills are not my forte.. so can anyone clarify that aspect of things a bit?

Well, that was merely pointing it out and I would never recommend anyone do so, as can be sometimes actually infinitely more complicated than properties.....

(But, is something for people to be aware of.....many think of a business as income, job, etc, but, don't know about those aspects....

For example: (I wrote about this elsewhere at one time or another...)
I have a friend , who found what he considered to be a very, very cool place..(bar....medium sized....good location, huge parking,. even outdoor spaces for more people...)

Place was great (in his mind/vision) but absolutely sucked business wise (owner was breaking even basically, just staying above water......)

They started out wanting like 200 or something....eventually, that came down to 80......friend secured it with 20k down...did some serious , serious work as far as bringing people in (a story unto itself), and, .......little over a year, numbers dramatically improved....sold for 200-300 (honestly forgot which...this was quite a while ago now....220 maybe?......)

This is heavier stuff though, and, really, I wouldn't recommend this, it was just more of sharing the extra factor (that business's can also be sold for profit at one point.....people tend to, as above....just think of them in terms of income...and not profit upon sale, etc....)

(I say I wouldn't recommend it because one would have to be extremely well versed in order to make a wise selection, so.....)

Things like above...landscaping...well, would come down to advertising...would be fairly simple to build a landscaping company customer base with some aggressive marketing....(or, maybe, some twists (I hear the bikini lawn services are doing fairly well also )

Larger things like a casino you would probably be best off subbing it out to pros.....(marketing, promotional, etc, etc...) Lot of things can always be done....

Of note relating to the above is you will find a lot of business's for sale which very might be good business's...but, owners just "not cut out for it".....don't like it (after they bought it)......not "made for it", etc....(Actually you do see a lot of bars with this case, because bar is acquired taste, and, really, not for everyone....(NOT an easy business.....LOT of bullshit to address........), but, for some?...Great business )

Good advice also on watching the temperatures in the forecasts. Not something I had thought about as much.

Yeah, high temps//evaporation really the issue....will suck all that rain you just had right out.........(or all that water you just gave it, hauled, etc....)

And I missed it at first, but thanks for the reply to my earlier post (Taking water with you) I am very familiar with the effects of dehydration on ones physical abilities. Something to keep in mind is that you should take water, not other beverages such as soda (Which contains caffeine, a diuretic) If you're going to be out for a long day, packing a lunch seems wise too. Working all day out in the sun takes a lot out of even the healthiest person.

Yeah man....lot of people forget.....I don't really pack food (I eat heavy before I go, lot of vitamins, herbs and stuff, etc....then when done I eat good heavy meal.. couple steaks, etc, etc....) but, for regular person.....they probably should bring food...Definitely water/Gatorade, both.....I know the rates of loss (through sweat) are astounding under right conditions.....can't remember what I have heard, but, like, a gallon an hour more or less wouldn't surprise me, etc.....(I've had many times I could wring clothes and probably pull half gallon just from that....)

 

[Julian]

Good point! Though there's always the matter of turning weight into cash, for some people a much simpler proposition than for others. I know if I had an elbow right now, I'd probably have a hard time getting rid of it, at least in a 'reasonable' timeframe and without causing undue gaps in security.

Well, more what I meant was along the lines of people who might say "I can't afford it"......

Can't afford place..(well, you pay rent now....)
Can't afford school (well, your producing enough to pay for it...)

Etc, etc......many have excuses which almost always come down to money, and, as above......it's a printing press virtually.....(you want more? Make more..)

Regarding dumping it....well, addressed at length in indoor thread...fairly easy to develop an outlet(s).....from scratch....almost anytime, any place in world....

 

[Julian]

I don't know any more profitable thing than a good indoor garden the outdoor growing also can be a profitable hobby but...

Actually........that is my point sometimes of such things.......

There are many, many things more profitable than indoor (outdoor hands down....) People do indoor out of necessity (detection) not out of choice.....

I actually have had many times of "crisis" because, frankly, it loses it's attractiveness the more one makes.....risk vs. reward...

I tend to make a fair amount legitimately, and, at times...I wonder what's even the point.....and, frankly, think more should also....(smaller people....your going to risk everything for 10-20k in product?......Go to school, get in right field and you could be making that from a 9-5 job.....(pick one...thousands of jobs make 6 figures.....)

Volume?....Well, absolutely, because I'm not risking everything for anything less than that.....(ie: Not going to find myself sitting in the can for 20 because of 50k.......which might seem like a lot to some, but, as one sees, when they start to approach things wisely...they will find such amounts are not as significant as they once though they were.....(Some areas you could make 100k within a year simply from minor repairs to a property/appreciation, etc....even more...(not realized until sold, but, point stands nevertheless.....)

Well placed trade with a fair amount of capital to start?...one could see that amount in as little as a couple days legally....

Options (legal) are endless........so, I say it all the time...best to approach it as simple a "means to an end".......a tool to reach wherever it is one wants to.....

(Sure, most will grow at least ps probably till their 70 :biglaqugh:, but, ps and commercial big difference.....)

(That being said I do believe the power to create a crop anytime, anywhere to be a truly fantastic gift, and, believe it can be a "means to an end" for many people, in many cases........and, one of the safest alternatives......(On OG I once wrote about some "students" I had.... .....(They knocked over banks....took me about 1 day (maybe 6 hrs of lecturing....first 1 was the hardest.....rest was simple....) to convert them to growing and leave the stupid shit behind....)

I have no idea what should I do with the money to make more profit... maybe I should open a good gym but I dunno (that costs too much for a slightly profit)

Well, to start.....you don't have to do anything at all....Just keep eyes open....ears open.....pay attention with a different outlook...and go from there......Different outlook alone is enough to start.........everything is built on that......

(Ideally building that on what interests you...what you know...what you like....maybe related to your existing..(ie: someone who does construction, tile, kitchen, wiring, etc, of course might be best suited with forming company (construction)...being GC, etc......and on and on the analogies go.,....

What you know, what you like, what you enjoy.......(if profitable...doesn't hurt either )

Mike Mcgorty (or WTF) says that the maple-tree business is so good but I don't think so... where I live almost nobody has money... just a little monthly fix for 8 hours hard work a day... sadly.

I wanna be much like the local mayor :-@
NG

Actually would fall close to landscaping....nursery, producing plants,etc...(I gotta say...I have though about such things many times......if one can turn out 1,000 illegal plants in a week, no reason they could not turn out 1,000 legal plants a week, but, distribution/turnaround would seem problematic (making what you want to, etc....)

(I started thinking about this more a while back when friend bought some hot pepper clones from a local place......... Lot of landscaping business's also do their own starts, etc I believe....)

Smaller place/area...etc...one might go right back to no money downs and rentals, etc....own a couple rentals, etc......always applicable anywhere, anytime, and, one of the more simple things one can do.....

Note on business's is to be careful and ask a lot of questions (of yourself ) Business's not like properties........(hidden numbers, agendas, lies....starting high, unreasonable desires, etc.....) There are also a lot of valid reasons business's have problems (and will).....(competition......maybe low traffic location....maybe lack of parking.......etc, etc....lot of places do have problems not easily overcome and that is the reason performance suffers, so.....But....to start?....to throw a little money through?...for minimal purchase and /or down?........not as much of an issue.....(ie: Buying a small business for 20k with even a little down for purposes of a business to put a "little extra money" through not the same as buying something for 100-200-300k with up to 100k down and having problems......

Just trying to make people aware of options...lot of angles to the various approaches and avenues....

 

[Julian]

I read icmag from my phone.(every chance I get)..its the palm treo 700wx. just moved and waiting for my internet connection..

I know man.... (figured/assumed), was just fuckin wit cha Glad you find it of interest and use.....If benefits one person in a significant/beneficial way......then worth it

 

[Julian]

Some other notes about the above:
Most people, the same as mentioned with growing, find that the more they learn, the more they get confused, and, they want to reach their destination a little quicker than they should, is possible, etc....

(ie: "Where do I start"...)

You start with realizing the above....ie: That more is possible than you believe, and, you have many directions open to you at any given time to pursue.....


And then, thinking alone is fine........

What do you want to do, where do you want to go, be, etc......

(The objective of course is lifting a "reliance" on green while developing other interests (ideally, profitable...contributing to financial future), because, at some point......you will find a break necessary.........for any number of reasons.....

When one has other interests....a "break" is no big deal because you just change focus, have other beneficial thing to occupy your time, and, even becomes more likely you can eventually one day even phase it out if you like (or if you have to, as above....)

You start where you are........today (I'm a big fan of "just today".......)

I think though a starting point should be residence...whether a home on acreage, or, an apartment in a larger building, etc.....everyone should own...for many reasons..(not to mention simple outlet right off the top for using a "little extra money"....so...I say that first, then other things fall into place, but, the very disciplined might want to do things like procure building..(rental units) live in one...then business, etc, etc.....

Grow issues though...I think like in other thread....should start with one...your own....etc.....

 

[dfa]

school here i come

 

[Julian]

Best dollar for dollar return a person can make in their entire lives...(imo....)

 

[stoneshaper]

nice thread!
keep it up brothers and sisters

peace!

 

[cesartime]

(That being said I do believe the power to create a crop anytime, anywhere to be a truly fantastic gift, and, believe it can be a "means to an end" for many people, in many cases........and, one of the safest alternatives......(On OG I once wrote about some "students" I had.... .....(They knocked over banks....took me about 1 day (maybe 6 hrs of lecturing....first 1 was the hardest.....rest was simple....) to convert them to growing and leave the stupid shit behind....)

Man, have you ever hit the nail right on the fucking head with that one, I got a cuz who I am going through the exact same situation with right now. No matter how much game i try to kick to him about how he needs to leave the pistols and stupid shit like that alone, its like he doesnt want to hear any of it, keeps running shit to me like "i cant turn my back on my folks." Lame low-dollar shit like that.

Its to the point now where i start to question involving him in my situation, due to his tendicies of fucking up other perfectly good situations: (household w/parent, college, jobs, his criminal background)

If he was just another joker on the street, id say "fuck em" and keep it moving, alas this is my blood and i feel like its my responsibility to do my part to allow him to find a better way. Its not like he is stupid, in all actuality he would fit in just fine to this puzzle im trying to put together here.

What say you oh wise Julian? Is there a way i can structure my approach other than telling him how much better he is than the shit he is pulling? What angle did you take in your lil talk w/ your former pupils?

 

[GorillaGrower]

not trying to step on juilians toes.. i hope you don't mind my two cents
cesartime I would suggest you for your own safety DO NOT involve him in what your thinking/doing. The biggest reason would be he's already got problems(record) making him not a first time offender.. IF he's your cuz the last thingyou want is him to feel like giving you up will "save him". Last thing you want is that happening in your family.
guns x record x plants = bad,bad situation
You should do what your instincts tell you.. and if its that he's not making it happen in anything else.. its not gonna just click with you. It might just make everything much worse.

But that doesn't mean you couldn't "help him" .. if you kinda used a little cell approach.. he could be in the dark about the rest but you do something with him.. to give him a start.

Either way try and decide if your decision is for you or for him.. because your talking bout your future too.

 

[Fast_Pine]

bring food...Definitely water/Gatorade, both.....I know the rates of loss (through sweat) are astounding under right conditions.....can't remember what I have heard, but, like, a gallon an hour more or less wouldn't surprise me, etc.....(

Yeah, I like to mix up a pint of vodka and some Tampico in my camel back.......Keeps me fired up.....JK

Good thread J.

 

[Julian]

not trying to step on juilians toes.. i hope you don't mind my two cents

Ehhh....whatever you like man....please do.....

Yeah, I like to mix up a pint of vodka and some Tampico in my camel back.......Keeps me fired up.....JK

Good thread J.

....That's after the work is done

Thanks brother....hope all is well

Man, have you ever hit the nail right on the fucking head with that one,

Fuckin twice!

I'm going to switch your post around a little......sake of explanation, hope you don't mind...(all relevant...ending first instead...)

What angle did you take in your lil talk w/ your former pupils?

Little different because men....Simple math/economics.....ie: Heavy Fed time, exposure, for moderate rewards, no longevity,.......

Kicker: Why "steal money", when you can create as much as you like in privacy? At will....little lead time...infinitely more safe. less risk, less exposure.......(and, again, these were obviously extremely disciplined men.....your only as safe to your approach to security........so......they took to it quite easy and simple )

(Not to mention one would be better off hitting a jewelry store than a bank...similar money, less time, no Fed issues but that's neither here nor there...and, as I said on OG, before this post gets referred to Bank Robbery Division, was a very long time ago..(15yrs+/-)...I couldn't name them or identify them if my life depended on it, so....a waste of time ,plus they obviously stopped doing that anyway )

Simple economics...but, again....these were very serious men....ie: Common sense and simple math proved the points for me...

I got a cuz who I am going through the exact same situation with right now. No matter how much game i try to kick to him about how he needs to leave the pistols and stupid shit like that alone, its like he doesnt want to hear any of it, keeps running shit to me like "i cant turn my back on my folks." Lame low-dollar shit like that.

I'm sorry to say, but, I know the person/type of person.....(thousand times over), and, you can't do anything ......The only way he is going to change is when he realizes maybe it would be in his best interest, and his families, to do so.....

He can't turn his back?.......Well, at least the young un has some fuckin loyalty.....and principles.......so, gotta give him some credit.....

(I might try and use the family angle though....."on his folks?".....What about your own fuckin blood?......but, of course being very familiar with the street....my response to that would be they are "family" also...etc, etc...so, that one might not work

I mean......logic is always what it is......can't be argued......it is what it is.....so, if someone is not getting simple logic, you know you've got an uphill battle

Could try "the bigger picture" angle.......sometimes winds over the logic angles .....cause most people "get" the concept of "the bigger picture".....

Not sure what to tell you......anyone who doesn't "get it", and, who it can't be explained to.....eh.....they're a "write off", but, worth checking in on (because at some point....somewhere along the way.....life's going to give him a couple slaps that will do your job for you.........Hopefully those will be minor slaps.....just enough to get em thinking, questioning his own deal........usually it's age........age always a great help )

Its to the point now where i start to question involving him in my situation, due to his tendicies of fucking up other perfectly good situations: (household w/parent, college, jobs, his criminal background)

You just answered your own question.......you obviously see who and what he is and how he thinks from behavior and actions (as above)......

Problem is obvious: He already showed he doesn't value family....he already showed he doesn't value himself (fuckin up school, jobs, record....) Yeah, sure, he's got some loyalty and principles, but, probably not the right ones (but, havign some is a start )

If he is......you should be questioning it, and, frankly, it's most likely an accurate warning...and, I'd listen to it if I were you....(Back to we always know the answers, everything always in front of us.....)

Depending on relationship, you could just fuckin set him straight....Depends who and what you and he are, etc, etc....sometimes works just as easy as it sounds......majority of the time not, and, takes a couple times.....

If he was just another joker on the street, id say "fuck em" and keep it moving,
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Which would be the right thing to do....and wise.....

alas this is my blood and i feel like its my responsibility to do my part to allow him to find a better way. Its not like he is stupid, in all actuality he would fit in just fine to this puzzle im trying to put together here.

Well, now we reverse all of the above...

It is your responsibility (family), but....are you going to put yourself in the reverse role? (ie: fuckin up everything you have due to misplaced loyalty and principles...(I've done it........)

I could tell stories all day long...but, in the end...I have cut off more people than a 5am last call

Because all comes down to one thing:
You can't "help" someone who doesn't want to be helped.....

My approach on the above?:
You do everything you can do........You say everything you can say.....

If that's not enough?....well....then rest easy and sleep well knowing you did do everything you could....

(I've got a big beef with people who use those phrases "whatever is supposed to be will be"...

Yeah, true, as long as you do everything you can, in your power in a situation.....

If you do?......Then all truly is what it is........

(ie: lot of people use that phrase but do nothing towards the result, objective, etc......so.....how can a desired result be obtained if one has not taken reasonable actions?....right? )

You do what you can....say what you can.......but, as far as such a person having an involvement in anything on your end....Nah....(because that would put you in a position of basically "sabotaging" yourself....

You know it's a problem.....you see he's a problem.....but, you bring him in anyway...

I've been there.......we all have enough problems without making more (said above....the problem of tomorrow is the one you create for yourself today....)

I'd die for family and those close.....but, to a point......(and not if THEY were the ones who put me in that position to begin with....ya know? )

Do what you can, if something doesn't change, keep serious distance, and, maintain relations because hopefully at some point in the future they will change.....

What one can pull off all depends on who you are..... (ie: sometimes, when you come at people about that stuff...who you are determines how much they listen........so....I have a little better luck because of who I am, what I am, have been, where I come from, have done, etc....but, even still.....some people....just no changing their course......You have to let life do that for them.....and then you can be of help....)
[/I]

Is there a way i can structure my approach other than telling him how much better he is than the shit he is pulling?

All above.......could reverse it also.....lay it all out......you know...you didn't give me much , so...trying to offer what I can......Everyone has "strings" that can be pulled (buttons can be pushed, etc)...You can talk and talk and means nothing...you push right button....you've got their attention...(ie: What means what to them?....)

Depends who you are man.....and, also, how far you can take it....(to him, with him...)

If your an aggressive guy?....Helps.....a lot....most of the time

"You do what you can do"......really all that any of us can do.....Only what we can....so......

 

[Julian]

More notes:

Scheduling your numbers and plantings.......
I was just talking to someone, and, realized, I've been planting now for 12 weeks., sometimes even every day (this past week, last batch, all went in my own city spots.....almost 100 a day for 5 days straight....)

So, one can plan a number they wish to execute, but, one would be well advised to understand their own abilities and limitations....

You want to make 1,000?...where are they going to go?, how many can you get out daily?, What about planning before rains?...What if you don't hit your targets because you realize how much work and fall short and only get half in before rains and then are sitting on the other half during dry and hot period? (continuing to get bigger by the day....)

Know your own physical capabilities..., because if not very aware, they are going to mess up your schedule/everything

(I did get all my stuff done, and, I know what I can do at any given time, and, I say the above because I always recommend to people to budget/manage your time and efforts wisely....as above....I could have done 500 in a long, long day....but, spots can't have all day exposure, and, also, I know about the amount of time I can do 100 myself by hand, so, would rather for my case, spread them out and have a little work to do, instead of a lot..(I can't spare that time right now anyway.....)

So, something to add....(time management, budgeting of time....and efforts....)

Planting 100 is a lot of work...planting 500 (by yourself) is an enormous amount of work........1,000?......well, do you have what it takes because that might not only be an entire day.....but, can you handle it (entire day, minimal breaks, continuous labor, not stopping until it's done.....)

Until it's done....

(ie: If too much work.....what are you going to do....take a load back home because you can't finish?...well, you just tripled your exposure........trip there for nothing, because taking more out, than, having to come back again because you didn't finish this time...)

Some might leave on site...but, I have a big problem with that because I have had partners kill hundreds doing that..(when small, they need attention...they have to go in if out.....) End of story..,....

So, I would say one should always be aware of their limitations, capabilities, physical abilities....(nothing like heavy continuous planting to show you what kind of shape and endurance you truly have and are in )

Always try to manage and budget your time and efforts according to what you can...Can really fuck up your schedules if not....

(Just did last round, newer round pretty much ready to go (partners doing those, I need a break), and then about 10 days or so till other mini rounds people are waiting on.....(realistically, I will have to plant all because I can't rely on people to do everything as I want it to be, and, as it should be done...)

Basically trying to say be well aware of what each phase requires.......very easy to get in over your head....(I'm good, I'm just really tired being extremely obsessive helps ie: I don't give a fuck if too hot, too tired, etc, I'm not leaving until it's done.... Didn't know has been 12 weeks though...been on "autopilot"....and, still 3 more weeks to go (15 weeks straight of planting....)


Edit: In addition....and in relation to the above....in relation to people....in relation to partners, etc.....

More than once I have gone through the trouble to prep batches to go certain places after agreeing on something with people, only to when they're fuckin ready, for the people to change their mind/cold feet....(Happened to me once this year (so far...knock on wood) for about 500 or so......had em ready, ready to go....changed their mind..(too risky....didn't want to...) So, of course, okay, fine, just send somewhere else, but, of course, just created more work for me, transport, etc, etc.....so...something to be aware of......things change at any time...always have to adapt....(I wasn't mad per se...just a little annoyed....hadn't planned on doing that round for any of my own things, so.....but, in the end, whatever....everything worked out for the best.....Just an additional note of the way things can change on a moments notice (and I had another round ready to go and starting at that time also........)

 

[guest]

Hi Julian ..

I sent you a PM ..

 

[Julian]

Will get to it when I can brother....sometimes more than 100 a day....

(Only so much I can do at one time....)

 

[Fast_Pine]

(15 weeks straight of planting....)

Hope you got those trimpros

So monty, whats yer take on trim partys, and harvest crews