Mass/RI/Con Growers here!

[rasputin]

HL, that's a cutting from the lab of the inventor.

Here's a shot of the S99 x [Fire OG x (Abusive OG x SSH)] project, day 1 of 12/12. It's a full house, 16 females, 3 males and 5 as yet undecided. I must be out of my mind doing this now, I should be filling jars with buds, not beans!

 

[MeltingPOT]

Love this time of year for one reason only...the Ma/Ri/Ct get's crankin'!

TC, goddamn. That Larry is out of control, looks like you got the SourDieselIBL yield out of her. We're not worthy!

Rasp, good stuff A good 50/50 of the mama and papa if ya ask me. But truly, Chaco is the CC master, he's run 5x's the amount of girls I have. I wish I could have smelled his keepers!

 

[Bi0hazard]

Rasputin,

S99 x [Fire OG x (Abusive OG x SSH)] sounds incredible.

What is the S99 by chance.. SourDiesel x C99?

 

[TB Gardens]

Yup. It's bud season ;-)

Temps drop & the rooms fill up!

TC - your a master my brother, I was lookin at that sour Larry for like 20 mins yesterday! God it looks sexalicious

Ras- whats in that CC? I remember Chaco posting flower pics early summer, looked amazing

I swear - this thread is like the only reason I check this site.. Glad I live where all the best are at!

 

[rasputin]

Melty, I'm looking forward to get her in bloom. That pic is an ill tease! She's been fun to watch in veg, just blows up with new growth overnight.

Bi0, in a nutshell yes. It's American Farmers work, I do believe it goes a little something like this: [ECSDxC99] x [C99xSourD IBL].

TB, CC is Melty's creation of ECSDxSFV OGbx1.

 

[headseed]

Looking good errbody.

Thanks rasp, I'm happy with how it came out for sure. Otto did 99% of the work though finding that sick hazey male I just know how to use a paintbrush...

Loving the time traveling avatar! I may be old but I know all the memes hahahahah.

Safety not guaranteed!

 

[Guest3498]

Don't know what you're talking about headseed, that's a picture of yours truly... My mom cuts my hair for me do you think she did a nice job?

Would be funny if AG's s99 and yours were one in the same Ras, I know he was really close by to you... If I've learned one thing in this life it's that we live in a mighty small world...

Waiting on a box of butane and a brand new torch to come in the mail. Time to get stupid! I think the green crack will make nice oil...

 

[MeltingPOT]

Damn VADO...looks like Big Bird, Vanilla Ice and Rob Dyrdek had a three-way. Love it. Crack oil, yummmmmmmm.

The Mahayana is filling in nicely

 

[Biatchzxz]

I swear - this thread is like the only reason I check this site.. Glad I live where all the best are at!

True statement!

 

[guest121295]

VADO, I think that's the greatest mullet I've ever seen...I'm only guessing here but have I seen that guy at Narragansett town beach rollerblading ??

 

[Bi0hazard]

I was doing research on genetics today and stumbled accross some incredible information on the genetic background of OG Kush and Bubba Kush. For a lot of people the genetics of Bubba has been well debated and full of false leads like Bubble gum. I think this is an interesting read.

The p98 bubba is outstanding and one of my all time favorites strains. It came on the scene from the same people that had the real OG Kush. The bubba taste was also present in the original OG. But the og has always been more sativa while the bubba is so indica. The real bubba will knock you harder than the og for sure.

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Posted by TarzanaCareCenter
"In late '93 John from Grass Valley Ca. got the Chem Dog cut. He shared it with me, Jerry(cowboy) from Dibble Creek Ca. and Harold(Putz) from Sunset Beach Ca. Putz had a male he called the secret ingredient. It was a cross of Lemon Thai and an Old World Paki Kush. Putz bred the secret ingredient to the Chem Dog. The buds that came out of this cross were going around So. L.A. county in '95. Someone told Putz that Kush must be so good because it was mountain grown. Putz laughed and told him "this Kush is Ocean Grown Kush bro". The tag stuck and it became known as OG Kush. In the spring of '96 Putz married a girl from New Zealand. Before moving there he sent cuts of his OG to me and Bob(beans) in Salinas Ca. He gave all his P1 stock and all the remaining seed he had to ****(mad dog) from Downey Ca. In late '96 **** sold some seed to some guys in the Valley. That's where the San Fernando Valley cut of OG comes from. It's like the Original only more sat in pheno type. **** sold a cut of the original to a guy in Orange county and that cut is called Larry today. It's still around Orange county. **** sent one other cut of the original OG to a breeder in Europe. As far as I know he never let anyone else have it.

Jerry bred his Chem Dog cut to a Humboldt county indica boy. This was the beginning of his cubing proccess. At BX3 he got a pheno that had all the smell, taste and kick of the Chem Dog, but in a pure indica pheno. Jerry gave this plant to Bob. It became known as the West Coast Dog.
Bob bred this plant to my Old World Kush male. He took a male from that cross and bred it to the OG cut Putz had sent him. This is what made the original Bubba Kush."

OG Kush Lineage: Original Diesel [ChemDawg] x Old World Kush [ Lemon Thai x Old World Paki Kush]

Bubba Kush Lineage: West Coast Dog [[ChemDawg (AKA Original Diesel) x Humboldt county indica] x Old World Kush [ Lemon Thai x Old World Paki Kush]] X Putz OG Kush Cut

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Posted by Chemdog

"Part of what you say is true. But you have some of the facts mixed up. First of all, I go way back to the begining 92-93. my good friend from NY, was the one who got the Chem Dawg and Super Skunk first. And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like the name. But they don't talk about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as Original Diesel, UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to "find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it. It was grown out of seeds found in head bags bought in NYC. The upstate kids were begging for a cutting of either Diesel and wound up with bag seed to grow."

Guys your all right except the the og kush is a hermi seed from the chem dog (Original Dielse) from back in 96 their were only two people in the day to take the chem dog to the west coast it first hit lake tahoe.

"My friends chem dog got stressed and hermi a little so he decide to try the few seeds and the buddy who gave the chem dog seeds to us said the old farmer said it hade kush in it so my buddy to this day thinks its a strain of the orig kush and said if the ny kids can change the name from chem dog lets call the west coast version OG kUSH that is the truth. If anybody ever smoked the chem dog back in the day early 90s it taste like the sour but fifty times more The chem dog is the mom of the sour so basically the og kush is a newer seed of the orig chem dog. peace to all. I am the only one with true males and females of the Chem dog,Sour diesel,Bubble chem, i have crossed a male Chem dog Aka Diesel with all of Sensi seeds good females already back in 96 they have been in storage since then and i know are still viable because the me kids just started the Super dog which is the Superskunk crossed with the chemdog and its sick enjoy the info a lot more to come"

"The sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special. We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didn't like the name chem dog so they had a idea to change the name to DIESEL.

So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happened next explains the Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the Chem dog people were coming up from Albany to get the Original Diesel in bud form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the kids were growing hermed and hit the chem dog aka 'original diesel' and the albany

 

[rasputin]

Don't take this the wrong way Bi0, none of it is directed at you. That write-up bores me to tears, I think most people here have come across it before. I couldn't care less what someone on the internet thinks made Chem or OG, some have a vested interest in claiming knowledge of lineage and others just like to hear themselves talk.

I've been fortunate to have some of these cuts shared with me and most of them kick ass, which is all I care about. The rest of it is he said, she said internet soap opera shit.

Bubba hits harder than OG? I feel like an alien, everyone loves Bubba. I like it but it doesn't hit me like others say it does for them. Tasty and looks incredible but I smoked a bomber to the head and 20 mins later I was sober. On the other hand, I smoked a small nug of OGK with a fellow icmagger and it was an immediate head high, smack right behind the eyes. And an hour later I was found myself laying down with headphones on listening to some tunes, blissfully unaware of both time & space.

Different folks, different smokes. Or something like that.

 

[Guest3498]

Eh, having smoked both bubba and og kush, I'm of the opinion that they are in no way shape or form related. Totally different in just about every way. Smell, taste, high, growth, everything...

Rasp you hit the nail on the head bro. The east coast heads say og kush came from the 91 chemdog, the guys from cali say it's from california, and the guys from florida say that og kush came from triangle kush... Likely none of em know for sure.... People can debate lineage all they want, all I care about is how it smokes!

 

[Bi0hazard]

Hey Rasp,
Good input =] It really does come down to how it smokes, no doubt. However, for people in breeding adventures its always nice to know the lineage - for insights on hybridizing and back-crossing. Which brings back even more good vibes and new good smoke for seed lovers to plant out. It's about the mystery of new expressions in seed stock - and knowing what goes into the cross can help fine tune the range of expression seeds produce. Overall Chemdog (Original Diesel) genetics is like having a oz of Haze, opening the bag the smell, taste, high it's immediately apparent what it is - it's hard to pass something else off as it. The Original Diesel I got to smoke for awhile is dead on with the presence of highs, smells, and tastes in OG Kush and Sour Diesel to a T.

There is something incredibly blissful about Bubba that goes a step beyond SFV OG for me. Although some OG's floor me with the sativa presence that I don't get as much in Bubba.

Having smoked the Original Diesel Cut, I've always held firmly that it is without a doubt expressed in Sour Diesel & OG Kush - and I think there is possibility it was hybridized into the precursors of the Bubba - not sure though. Bubba could just be an incredible Affie/Paki Kush. It is well established that the Chemdog (Original Diesel) [AKA Chem 91 x SuperSkunk/NL] was grown out in the east (NY, MA) originally - seeds and shortly after cuts of it traveled out West (This doesn't mean that only the east or only the west could have worked with the cut?) I don't get that black and white debate structure? A lot of the OG expressions were from S1's anyways. The lineage is actually pretty simple and straight forward on how the East and West worked with the Orig. Diesel cut in different ways. I had a kinda of long conversation about this topic with Danny Danko a couple years back.

∙ Out East (Original Diesel AKA Chemdog) got hybridized into Sour Diesel, Snowdog and many of the Topdawg genetics as they had direct access to Chemdog's vault.

∙ Out West Orig. Diesel (or Chem '91) S1 was hybridized to create a) SFV OG Kush possibly by crossing it with [Lemon Thai x Old World Kush]

It was further hybridized into b) West Coast Dog (Which I've only had the pleasure of smoking once. I'm still on a hunt for this cut). The reason Bubba shows completely indica traits is that WestCoastDog is an Org. Diesel crossed into a Humboldt Indica over 3 generations - until the chemdog genetics expressed completely as indica with no sativa growth, high etc.

And Bubba Kush - could easily be a Hindu/Affie/Paki Kush. - I just always tasted a background of Original Diesel in it - but I could be mistaken about it's connection to chemdog genetics. Maybe the mystery genetics behind the chem 91 lineage has Hindu/Paki kush in it and that's the reason I keep associating it with bubba?

It is also about preference, without a doubt I've had some OG's that hit harder than Bubba. But a lot of the OG's floating around are hybrids of the SFV, Tahoe etc crossed with other top end shelf strains. I think crossing OG Kush Strains to Lemon Thai would be a great idea to increase the soaring sativa high aspects.

Either way, they are both top class smokes and i could easily survive off of smoking OG or Bubba for many years alone. Hopefully this excites people to try new crosses with their OG Kush, Sour Diesel and Bubba strains - especially into each other =]. Hope everyone is enjoying the unusually warm weather, while being able to turn off A/C's.

Dank Regards,

Bi0hazard

 

[Guest3498]

Bio, I may be mistaken but I think you are confusing the chem 91 (the original diesel) and chem91 x (nl/ss) (aka "original diesel"). You really think there is any NL or MSS in og kush? If I believe any story it's that OG is an s1 or cross of the 91 cutting, that would make perfect sense...

As far as what smoke you prefer goes, that's all personal preference. I think good OG blows good bubba out of the water. I actually dropped the pre 98 for the las vegas purple kush, which is a much better yielder and when smoked has a bit more head to it. Don't smell chem/diesel/og in any form in either of them...

 

[guest121295]

Got some trees going here, I'm very happy with how they look so far.The tall plant in the corner is a Lucifer OG and the wide one with the overheads is a Casey Jones cut, the thing is f-in huge and wide.This thing is not stretching much yet but its about 5 days into 12/12 and the Lucifer is about 23...

 

[Bi0hazard]

Vado,

Thanks for the insight. I think you made a good point, which is potentially true - I could have confused posts talking about Chemdawg '91 (The Original diesel) with Original Diesel aka Diesel No.1, Daywrecker etc. which has the SS/NL.

I've heard incredible things about the LVPK, many people end up having it as their keeper stoned to the bone strain. I heard the yield on it is crazy, bottom hidden nugs are dense as golf balls. How is the taste on her, is it towards the Purple Kush - Fruity Pebbles taste? Those tastes can be as enjoyable Chemdog crosses =]

On a side note, wouldn't it be incredible once cannabis is legalized to create a Cannabis Genetic Gnome project, where strain genetics could be accurately stored and tested - and with enough strains stored in the database - one might even be able to deduce some of the genetics behind mystery strains. This could be incredibly useful for breeders. I think Japan is already starting one, but for the wrong reasons - for testing non-THC agricultural crops quickly - to see if they are strains with THC.

For the past couple years I had been under the impression that OG Kush was an S1 of Chem 91 - and still give it credence. But having smoked the Chem '91 cut multiple times since learning that - I realized it is very much a head high for a chemdawg. '91's high profile is way more in the sativa spectrum than the indica spectrum which many of the other chem's reside, Chem D etc. However, we all know about the unpredictability of recessive expressions - and it's more than possible that the Tahoe and SFV started out as straight Chem 91 S1's. There is definitely a leaning towards indicas in the Chemdog gene pool, and S1's can bring out recessive genes. Furthermore, OG Kush does express a decent amount of sativa qualities in the high.

It wasn't until recently that I saw those posts - I was consistently wondering where that lemon background/taste/smell came from in a lot of the OG Kush varieties - Chem 91 really doesn't have much of a Lemon taste/smell at all. Really Chem '91 tastes like ECSD if you took out some of the extra Skunk and Hawaiian aspects from the Original Sour Diesel pallet. So I was fascinated by the potential of Lemon Thai and Old world kush being bred into some of the OG's. And ideas for breeding Lemon Thai into many OG strains/crosses to bring out more of the soaring thai head high in OG's. I think that would make some of them even more out of this world. It could very well have just been Chem 91 that was S1'ed into OG Kush, or rather a '91 S1 was possibly later bred to Lemon Thai - and maybe Paki/Affie Kush.

If you think I'm inaccurate about anything, definitely let me know. My main goal is research and accuracy.

Dank Regards,

Bi0hazard

Bio, I may be mistaken but I think you are confusing the chem 91 (the original diesel) and chem91 x (nl/ss) (aka "original diesel"). You really think there is any NL or MSS in og kush? If I believe any story it's that OG is an s1 or cross of the 91 cutting, that would make perfect sense...

As far as what smoke you prefer goes, that's all personal preference. I think good OG blows good bubba out of the water. I actually dropped the pre 98 for the las vegas purple kush, which is a much better yielder and when smoked has a bit more head to it. Don't smell chem/diesel/og in any form in either of them...

 

[Guest3498]

Nice post man.

Yeah I do like the lvpk a good deal. Spot on man it gets solid from top to bottom, zero fluff, perfect for growing large plants I hear The name is a little deceiving, as it's a bubba that gets a little darker, not something like urkle or gdp with that grapey funk. Frankly the average smoker couldn't tell bubba and lvpk nugs apart, it's uncanny how close they are. Should be called las vegas bubba kush as I've only gotten the tops to turn colors.

One interesting thing: the chem4 and the sfv og have a similar lemon aroma. The 4 is more of a musty sweaty lemon smell and the OG is more of a fuelly lemon, but in terms of smell they aren't all that far off really. Both have pretty heady highs too.

 

[Bi0hazard]

Oh wow. I had no idea LVPK was really a Bubba variation. I've heard so many people claim it as their favorite smoke. Hash Zepplin even said that LVPK was his Indica Holy Grail, while A11 Genius was his Sativa.

Interesting about the Chem 4. My only experience with #4 was in a cut of StarDawg (Tres dawg [chem d bx3] x Chem 4) - which was Chem 4 dominant. Definitely one of the most exotic Chemdog smells/tastes - although not as much lemon due to the cross.

If that is the lemon smell/taste that transferred over to OG Kush from the chemdog genetic pool (that most of the chem seeds came from) then I guess it wouldn't need a lemon thai =] This gives me even more hope for S1 phenotypes - to have something like Chem '91 turn into the full body/head high of OG Kush, is like a metamorphosis from one butterfly to another - each incredible in their own merits =]

Either way I am eternally thankful for the chemdog lineage tree and the wonderful things it has done to genetics.

 

[Playtowin]

After taking down my Blueberries I noticed out of 5 plants that there where 7-8 spots (most no bigger than a finger nail) of what I believe to have been bud rot. I decided to take an AOS spade down to try it a little early and get a good look at the buds and like the BB's there was a spot or two and my 2nd flower room needed some breathing room in the worst way so I took them all down at 56 days. I now understand why less is more.