BesideHimself
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Talk about a care package!
Been following for a couple weeks, any of your plants approaching the chop soon?
Been following for a couple weeks, any of your plants approaching the chop soon?
MarquisBlack grows, now he's come to show!
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BesideHimself said:
Yezzir. Both of my Papayas have been on plain water for over a week. I break out the chainsaw tomorrow night for those two.
The widows I'm not so sure about... Maybe two more weeks? They've got some weight on them now and a lot of people recommend going to ten weeks with them for some extra bulk.
Thai has probably two months left. I might use it as my Christmas tree right before the chop. In 5 gallons of soil I'm sure it will be very tree-like.
MrMortakis$moot
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nice package ya got there.. nice plants! i'll be tuning in for the scheduled programming.
Chopped a night early. Got roughly 500 grams wet from two plants. So hoping for a quarter pound dry.
4 more in two weeks...
4 more in two weeks...
La Grasserie
Member
beautiful marquis, you pulled down some nice weight on those guys. everyone harvesting left and right and I still have a few more weeks to go. argh.
ooga booga
Member
QP sounds reasonable from a LB+ wet, I've found dry weight is roughly 25% of wet weight... but depending on how you weigh it, with how much stem, etc.
Congratulations on the harvest.
Congratulations on the harvest.
XIII
Member
Thanks for the visit ooga booga.
It's been a while. Everything has been harvested (and a good deal smoked
) Total yield from 1200 watts was over 12 oz's well dried bud. So something around .3 grams per watt, not bad with plant count being such a limiting factor and 400 watters?
Smoke report:
Papaya was very smooth smoke but never had a good taste or high. Decent yield but no one was impressed with it.
The white widow is where it's at. Very nice spicy/hashy taste and a floral smell. Nice up-high. Plus our two good widow phenos yielded significantly better than the "production-geared" papaya.
The next run is already in the works, a 1kw sealed room coco SOG. We have acquired a 4x4 table, drip manifold, A/C, 5 or 6 new strains, and sealed up the room. Only need to get the aircooled 1kw setup.
Aero cloner is producing some very nice clones, gearing up for the next round. Stay tuned for round 2, and thanks for the visit, everyone!
-XIII
It's been a while. Everything has been harvested (and a good deal smoked
) Total yield from 1200 watts was over 12 oz's well dried bud. So something around .3 grams per watt, not bad with plant count being such a limiting factor and 400 watters?Smoke report:
Papaya was very smooth smoke but never had a good taste or high. Decent yield but no one was impressed with it.
The white widow is where it's at. Very nice spicy/hashy taste and a floral smell. Nice up-high. Plus our two good widow phenos yielded significantly better than the "production-geared" papaya.
The next run is already in the works, a 1kw sealed room coco SOG. We have acquired a 4x4 table, drip manifold, A/C, 5 or 6 new strains, and sealed up the room. Only need to get the aircooled 1kw setup.
Aero cloner is producing some very nice clones, gearing up for the next round. Stay tuned for round 2, and thanks for the visit, everyone!
-XIII
ooga booga
Member
Excellent wrap-up, XIII. Are you MarquisBlack's roommate?
XIII
Member
Yeah, we both maintain and financed the grow. It helped a lot in the initial investment. Having someone to bounce ideas off of helps a lot in the planning and execution, as well.
Table constructed today, here's a few teaser pics. Camera is broken, sorry for the HID lines! The last two are the aero cloner and some root porn (if you can't tell
)
Table constructed today, here's a few teaser pics. Camera is broken, sorry for the HID lines! The last two are the aero cloner and some root porn (if you can't tell
)
Sorry I haven't updated much, luckily my partner picked up a bit of the slack for me... I will probably abandon this thread in favor of a new one to document this next grow, but until the plants are on the table, I'll just stick the updates in here. As you can see, we have our drip table built. They are two 2x4 tables side by side with 12 lines running to each, being pushed by a 550gph pump. We plan to have a 1000hps system with a Sun System 2 air cooled hood over this table.
After having our last harvest come short because we had too much light but not enough plant matter, we decided to rethink our numbers. At first, XIII wanted to run 16 plants total on our collective 4x4 and I was looking more towards 32. We did some number crunching based off of info we found on the plant spacing vs. yield graph on yield-o-rama and an old Lucas Thread in which he addresses the relationship between veg wattage, flower wattage, and yield.
First, in this YOR graph, 1 plant per square foot was one of the lowest yields. However, 2 plants per square foot wasn't quite the highest, either. (Not surprising, 2 1 gallon plants per square foot is a little crowded unless square 6" pots are used) We found that the apex of the graph was at, I believe, (can't find the link) something like 1.59 plants per square foot. Which, in our scenario is between 24 and 25 plants total in a 4x4 area.
Now, this Lucas thread... (This is VERY informative. I'll find the link again and bring the text back if anyone wants it.)
In said thread, Lucas breaks down the total kwh spent in veg and the total kwh in flower and in both hypothetical and real world examples show how the former affects the latter.
To find the Kwh spent in each stage, Lucas took the number of watts per square foot in each configuration, multiplied it by the number of hours it was on a day, and then again by the number of days.
So if we plan to veg for say one week under our 400w metal halide on a 2x4 for a week and a 1000hps for another week...
We have 400w/8sqft which is 50 watts per square foot. 50 * 18 * 7 = 6300.... 6.3KWH.
We have 1000w/8sqft which is 125 watts per square foot. 125 * 18 * 7 = 15750.... 15.75KWH.
6.3kwh + 15.75kwh = 22.05kwh spent in veg.
Now for flower, we plan to flower under a 1khps with 16sqft of grow space.
1000w/16sqft = 62.5 watts per square foot. 62.5 * 12 hours a day * 65 days of flower = 48.75kwh spent in flower.
Now, with Lucas' personal example he said he had 12 plants under a 1khps in a 3x3 space. He did two weeks of veg under 400w of t5 followed by 8 days of 1000hps. Essentially his veg kwh was 47% of his flower kwh. He was able to pull 28 ounces off of twelve plants this way.
So let's look at our ratio...
22.05/48.75 = 45%
Now, while there's no mapped correlation between plant count and our veg/flower kwh ratio. One can assume that less of a gap between your veg config and your flower config will allow one to run less plants to achieve the same yield, or more plants for a direct increase in GPW based yield.
So essentially, we're shooting for 1gpw and we're taking no prisoners along the way. Stay tuned.
After having our last harvest come short because we had too much light but not enough plant matter, we decided to rethink our numbers. At first, XIII wanted to run 16 plants total on our collective 4x4 and I was looking more towards 32. We did some number crunching based off of info we found on the plant spacing vs. yield graph on yield-o-rama and an old Lucas Thread in which he addresses the relationship between veg wattage, flower wattage, and yield.
First, in this YOR graph, 1 plant per square foot was one of the lowest yields. However, 2 plants per square foot wasn't quite the highest, either. (Not surprising, 2 1 gallon plants per square foot is a little crowded unless square 6" pots are used) We found that the apex of the graph was at, I believe, (can't find the link) something like 1.59 plants per square foot. Which, in our scenario is between 24 and 25 plants total in a 4x4 area.
Now, this Lucas thread... (This is VERY informative. I'll find the link again and bring the text back if anyone wants it.)
In said thread, Lucas breaks down the total kwh spent in veg and the total kwh in flower and in both hypothetical and real world examples show how the former affects the latter.
To find the Kwh spent in each stage, Lucas took the number of watts per square foot in each configuration, multiplied it by the number of hours it was on a day, and then again by the number of days.
So if we plan to veg for say one week under our 400w metal halide on a 2x4 for a week and a 1000hps for another week...
We have 400w/8sqft which is 50 watts per square foot. 50 * 18 * 7 = 6300.... 6.3KWH.
We have 1000w/8sqft which is 125 watts per square foot. 125 * 18 * 7 = 15750.... 15.75KWH.
6.3kwh + 15.75kwh = 22.05kwh spent in veg.
Now for flower, we plan to flower under a 1khps with 16sqft of grow space.
1000w/16sqft = 62.5 watts per square foot. 62.5 * 12 hours a day * 65 days of flower = 48.75kwh spent in flower.
Now, with Lucas' personal example he said he had 12 plants under a 1khps in a 3x3 space. He did two weeks of veg under 400w of t5 followed by 8 days of 1000hps. Essentially his veg kwh was 47% of his flower kwh. He was able to pull 28 ounces off of twelve plants this way.
So let's look at our ratio...
22.05/48.75 = 45%
Now, while there's no mapped correlation between plant count and our veg/flower kwh ratio. One can assume that less of a gap between your veg config and your flower config will allow one to run less plants to achieve the same yield, or more plants for a direct increase in GPW based yield.
So essentially, we're shooting for 1gpw and we're taking no prisoners along the way. Stay tuned.
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EmeraldHaze
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I'm starting my first ScrOG grow this summer; your thread has been an inspiration and a guide 
