Marijuana.com actively working with the police?

[Guest]

Kov, Stoneyhucker, Pieceofmyheart, and Nitetiger, thanks for getting it.

Ron, you are trying to stir up shit, plain and simple.

After your repeated attempts to stir it up at MJ.Com and having the LEO in question patiently answer your questions, you still couldn't reconcile your own biased views with that of other open minded folks and took it to the GardensCure to try and stir it up there. The owner of the site got tired of your lame attempts at trolling and inciting paranoia and handed you your ass.
Live with it.
Don't you own Cannabis.Com? How is it that you have time to troll other websites, yet you haven't publically posted on your own website since March 10th?
Wouldn't your time be better served giving your attention to the sites you administrate rather than stick your nose in other sites business?

The poster that stated that LEO is around every forum hit it on the head, imo. Which makes you feel better? The ones that lurk and we have no idea what their intentions are, or the ones that register and actually contribute to the site?

One of the LEO's that is a member of MJ.Com has been a member since the year 2000. His bonafides have been verified (he is who he says he is) by the site owner and the Admin at the time. His custom title clearly denotes he is an LEO (tagged like a deer, some would say).
He has posted countless helpful posts in the "protecting your rights" forum and has done more for tokers than a lot of the fly by night members of that site...Heck, including you Ron.

Personally, I would rather find common ground with people. I would rather see LEO's posting and helping tokers get valid, real world info about our possible interaction with LEO's and the how's and why's of traffic stops, etc.
Again, better than the lurkers that contribute nothing (or members that just post to incite and enflame).

I would rather see us co-habitating than the prevalent us vs. them bs that I see so often.

You know what else I like about MJ.Com and GardensCure? No matter how much crap gets slung their way by trolls and disenfranchised members on other boards? They don't return in kind. They respect growers and other sites and don't trash talk or contribute to the "forum wars" I see firing up all the time.
A little respect and open mindness goes a long way. If only some people could just wrap their head around the fact that some folks won't like a particular board (for whatever reason), yet there are many choices out there and we are all free to choose the board that works best for us...There would be a much happier online cannabis community (as a whole). :shrug:

Oh Gypsy? If you happen to read this...How ya doing, bro?
Hope you and yours are fine.

 

[Ron Bennett]

After your repeated attempts to stir it up at MJ.Com and having the LEO in question patiently answer your questions, you still couldn't reconcile your own biased views with that of other open minded folks and took it to the GardensCure to try and stir it up there.

I didn't take the topic there, since it was already there ... I was responding to another poster at Gardens Cure who had brought up the topic of security.

The owner of the site got tired of your lame attempts at trolling and inciting paranoia and handed you your ass.

Has the definition of trolling changed lately? ... some didn't agree with what I was saying, but it was by no means trolling; my posts for the most are well thought out and often spot on.

Don't you own Cannabis.Com? How is it that you have time to troll other websites, yet you haven't publically posted on your own website since last May?

Simply browsing and occasionally posting is considered trolling at marijuana.com / Gardens Cure ... interesting definition there.

In regards to my site - I run a bunch (about 50 sites; 1100 domains), but they're not the center of the universe ... I like to see what else is going on out there; I participate on numerous cannabis related sites.

Wouldn't your time be better served giving your attention to the sites you administrate rather than stick your nose in other sites business?

Marihemp Network / CANNABIS.COM run pretty much on automatic with minimal intervention; the various volunteers and long-time posters contribute a lot to keeping things there running smoothly.

The poster that stated that LEO is around every forum hit it on the head, imo. Which makes you feel better? The ones that lurk and we have no idea what their intentions are, or the ones that register and actually contribute to the site?

There's a big difference between lurking / occasional posting verses actively participating, including posting FAQs, and in effect being aided / endorsed by marijuana.com / Gardens Cure staff.

One of the LEO's that is a member of MJ.Com has been a member since the year 2000. His bonafides have been verified (he is who he says he is) by the site owner and the Admin at the time. His custom title clearly denotes he is an LEO (tagged like a deer, some would say).

Often when it comes to the law, common sense can be wrong ... in effect marijuana.com / Gardens Cure has formed, unwittingly (I assume; if it's intentional, that's really scary!), to some extent, a partnership with law enforcement.

He has posted countless helpful posts in the "protecting your rights" forum and has done more for tokers than a lot of the fly by night members of that site...Heck, including you Ron.

What he has posted is biased towards law enforcement - if the FAQ also contained sections by an experienced defense attorney(s), that would be helpful for balance - as of now, the so-called Search and Seizure FAQ is of limited usefulness; gives people the impression law enforcement has more rights than they really do.

Personally, I would rather find common ground with people. I would rather see LEO's posting and helping tokers get valid, real world info about our possible interaction with LEO's and the how's and why's of traffic stops, etc.

There is very little common ground of the openly active law enforcement officers on your site in respect to marijuana laws; both niteshift and phuzz01, and I believe others too, have stated to be flat out against legalization - so where's this common ground you speak of?

In regards to traffic stops, etc ... there are already various sites / videos, etc on the net that covers such topics from many diverse sources - why not post some links to those; add them to the FAQ for the benefit of readers.

Anyways, basically the only help I've seen by law enforcement officers at marijuana.com / Gardens Cure is telling people not to possess / consume cannabis ... umm, that's not exactly much help.

Again, better than the lurkers that contribute nothing (or members that just post to incite and enflame).

I would rather see us co-habitating than the prevalent us vs. them bs that I see so often.

I agree with your sentiments, but the active police officers on marijuana.com / Gardens Cure have made no real effort on their part ...

When they were asked why they don't join LEAP http://www.leap.cc/ and/or other organizations working for meaningful drug policy change, they refuse to even consider doing so.

To be clear, I have no problem with law enforcement officers, etc visiting / participating in a limited manner ...

But one shouldn't believe for one second an active law enforcement officer is on common ground, so to speak, unless they've clearly indicated they are, and even then one must always be skeptical of their motives due to the current political / legal environment in the U.S., and many other countries throughout the world.

Again, LEAP http://www.leap.cc/ is about the closest I've seen (and personally have met and talked at length with Jack Cole who founded the organization; it's the real deal) to common ground between law enforcement and activists seeking real, meaningful drug policy reform.

Lastly, I don't have a pony in this race ... I don't run any growing sites, and furthermore, I encouraged Rick via PM/phone (spent a few hours talking with him several weeks back, and also in the past), plus publicly on various message boards, to restart HempCultivation in some manner, which he then did; I still send people to Rick's sites, but they should be fully aware of the police situation there so they can decide for themselves to what extent they visit / participate.

Ron

 

[Guest]

both niteshift and phuzz01, and I believe others too, have stated to be flat out against legalization

You're wrong. I have told you you were wrong and shown you the relevant posts that show you are wrong and yet...You still say the same thing.

It's real easy to rebut you. All anybody has to do is head over to MJ.Com and search your posts until they find the relevant thread and then read it.
Now if you are talking the full legalization of all drugs, you might be right. But we're talking cannabis.

Anyways, basically the only help I've seen by law enforcement officers at marijuana.com / Gardens Cure is telling people not to possess / consume cannabis ... umm, that's not exactly much help.

I guess the occasional reading is the problem. You miss out on everything that doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas. I have found many posts where they posted direct answers to concerns of other members.

but they should be fully aware of the police situation there so they can decide for themselves to what extent they visit / participate.

Well, we finally agree on something. Like I said, it's real easy for anybody to figure out how it really is (as opposed to your vague "concerns" and innuendos). All they have to do is read some threads as research.

I'm not going to get into some soap opera crap here with you, there has been plenty of that lately on several boards and I respect this board too much to continue to muddy the waters rebutting your personal problems with LEO participating on cannabis boards. But I wasn't going to allow your veiled accusations (and not so veiled by the title of this thread) to go unchallenged.
Again, anyone interested can read the threads for themselves and make up their own mind.

Luckily, as seen by the majority of answers in this thread, there are members here that are not swayed by bias. But nice try.

 

[RingoStar]

Ron, you are trying to stir up shit, plain and simple.

After your repeated attempts to stir it up at MJ.Com and having the LEO in question patiently answer your questions

Each is entitled to his own opinion, wether it be wrong or not. I'm glad, and thankful he posted this here. I don't visit MJ.com so I would be oblivious to what has occured. Since Ron has brought this to light, after doing my own research, I can conclude (in my own opinion) that the owner of mj is an arrogent idiot. There is a certain bit of professionalism required when you do a job. The owner of MJ does not have the calm or professionalism required.


Some of us don't visit other boards and still would like to know what the latest current events are in the community. Hiding what is going on is cowardly and is boarding censorship.

 

[Lootpimpin]

Ron,

Ever think for a minute that leo has been here and mj.com since the beginning? Good luck in the future at other sites trying to drum up support for your stance.

This comes down to one simple fact.

#1. LEO will bust you if you give them the opportunity to do so.

It's us against them -- Yes we all know that. Who is purposely posting identifying information or identifying pictures?

Lp

 

[palmspringsbum]

I don't spend my time on sites that advertize "100% legal bud" that looks like an old walnut. What is that crap anyway? And what is it doing on a site called "marijuana.com"?

As for not banning LEOs, why? They're going to be there whether you ban them or not.

 

[Lootpimpin]

As for not banning LEOs, why? They're going to be there whether you ban them or not.

All this back and forth bs over 3 forums and you summarized the main point. GJ palmspringsbum hope that sinks into a couple people's skulls.

 

[justawannabe]

Since Ron has brought this to light, after doing my own research, I can conclude (in my own opinion) that the owner of mj is an arrogent idiot. There is a certain bit of professionalism required when you do a job. The owner of MJ does not have the calm or professionalism required.

I'd be interested in the threads you researched to conclude your opinion that Rick of Marijuana.com is an arrogent idiot. I've been around that site a few years now and while he has made a few moves I might not have been 100% agreeable of, arrogent idiot does not fit the man.

to be truthful of my opinion, I see more arrogance in your posts in this 1 thread then I have ever seen displayed by Rick.

 

[SneakySneaky]

the guy phuzz01, is a cop, admits hes a cop, and yet people still talk to him casually

 

[pieceofmyheart]

the guy phuzz01, is a cop, admits hes a cop, and yet people still talk to him casually

He is a human being isn't he? Why not talk casually?

We can make ourselves look bad or good. I would prefer to have LEO at forums where people are civil, caring, hard working individuals that have a hand in the circle of life, rather than to have them at forums full of idiots that give marijuana users a really bad name.

 

[NiteTiger]

To restate:

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

I've got 3 cops that live within a block of me, and 2 of them were at my house on Saturday, with my other neighbors, having steaks I was grilling out. The other one was working, so he came by and got his steak to go. When the subject of lawns came up, I showed them my grow area in the garage where I start my bed flowers inside. They liked the idea, and were impressed. Sunday I helped one setup his own growroom.

So, by talking to him casually, and sharing ideas like a good neighbor, there's at least two cops who don't think twice about hydro stores and indoor growing.

'Course, I coulda ostracized them, as some folks seem to suggest would be the proper course of action.

But I wonder, which do you think did more good for "the movement"?

 

[Texassativa]

Please guys, don't witch hunt. I was cop and admit it. It is the veiws of this world that have set me free. But still watch yo' ass. Police come here to study our mentality, not bust us. They know damn good and well, we ani't meth heads. Hell, most people on here hate cigs. Cops on here are no more then knats buzzing around. Ut of coruse you always have the young cop trying to prove something. They see our numbers, they see our respect. To bust one person on here or anywhere is no more then picking one ant off one realy big ant hill. For those who sell, and have roooms that make pounds and pounds...now you really ain't helping matters. If the MJ world would just stop selling the stuff, market prices would fall like crap. MJ would be a peace offering and not a money maker, the way mother nature meant it to be.

 

[Guest]

nice post TS!

I agree, hell I think anything that grows from a seed should be free or hella cheap. Its not like man made seeds......you know. The only reason I could see paying a small fee would be to make up for costs and daily labor. It dont cost $5,000 to grow a pound....

if you are making a fortune and are lucky enough not to get busted , good for them I guess. Just dont expect me to be paying those outragous prices or supporting dealers. cuz the dealers and selling/buying is where most of the problems arise. Not the personal or med growers. Who are they hurting...? NO ONE. .Money is the root of all evil and I agree with that saying. Once money gets involved , everything changes. People lie, become 2 faced, and change.

but thats just me and my antieverything attitude.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

Didn't Cindy Lauper say, "Money! Money changes everything!"

 

[Guest]

MONEY IS NOT THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL....LOVE OF MONEY OR GREED IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL

 

[BruceLeeroy]

and here i thought cindy lauper was the root of all evil

lol

peace

 

[pieceofmyheart]

^ nah man, she just wanted to have fun

hehehehehe

 

[Verite]

Just curious how many peeps out there have been busted by some cop trolling your local forum? Considering all the facts we should go back to shitting bricks over stray cosmic astroids.

 

[palmspringsbum]

I was raided a couple of days after I posted pictures of my grow on OverGrow.

I don't know if that had anything to do with it or not, and probably never will.

That was after sb 420 had been signed into law but before it took effect. I was a couple of days from harvest...

 

[pieceofmyheart]

I don't know but I am not posting about growing anymore. It just doesn't feel safe.
Nothing against IC, don't get me wrong, just doesn't "feel" safe.