Manipuri

[ngakpa]

Regarding hermi traits, I suspected the same thing was going on, but with the malanas, they were all grown in identical conditions: in the same exact soil, same watering, same light, same exact nutrients, literally in the same hole in the ground. One showed late hermi characteristics, while none of the others (there were 7 females) showed any hermi traits. Had it been an environmentally induced phenomenon, you'd expect to see more than one malana plant showing late hermi tendencies. In case there's any doubts to these claims, you can see my full grow report here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=346659

I also have not encountered any intersex issues with manipuri, but this is out of a population of 3 seeds.

hi there - as I say, I have seen late male flowers once in the Himalaya. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in these plants,' native region, just that it is infrequent and certainly not something you see in one out of seven plants. I'd still interpret what you have here with the Malana as that one plant having a stress response, which it is unlikely to have done in the radically different conditions +2500m up a mountain in Parvati

The input from Truhan and Green is how I see this too

 

[ngakpa]

regarding kumaon strain dont you thin that would be indica dominant or atleast a indica sativa hybrid. the cahras from the himachal region is the most famouse and over there the plants are indica- sativa

hi there - lowland North India is all ganja or bhang cultivation, whereas the Himalaya is all charas with occasional ganja cultivation

Authentic Himalayan strains don't show anything Westerners would consider indica traits. In so far as there is indica in Parvati and Kullu strains it is due to people bringing in modern hybrids. The same applies to the South Indian mafia strains appearing in the last few years.

Authentic Indian cannabis is what we would call 'sativa'

I dropped 'pure' from the description of the Parvati and Malana Cream very early on because there is no way to be sure they are pure. People who want pure strains from that region need to go to Kinnaur or other places not visited much by Westerners or younger Indians who might have modern hybrid seeds

 

[meizzwang]

I'd still interpret what you have here with the Malana as that one plant having a stress response, which it is unlikely to have done in the radically different conditions +2500m up a mountain in Parvati

From Sam the Skunkman:

Genetics can make the plant be inter-sex every time.
Some varieties require an environmental stress to express inter-sex. This is genetic based also.-SamS

Here's a link to the full discussion on genetics and environmental hermaphroditism in case anyone's interested: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282090

 

[ngakpa]

hi Meizzwang

Some varieties require an environmental stress to express inter-sex. This is genetic based also.

yes, that's what I've been saying

that's why I've been using the term 'trait'

it's a trait, but one that is being expressed as a response to stress, and which is very infrequently expressed in conditions that the plants are acclimatized to

 

[meizzwang]

Oh, just to be clear, I'm neither confirming nor discounting the environmentally induced hypothesis, just clarifying that the hermi traits are in fact genetically linked. Also keep in mind, some of these late hermi traits can be completely missed if you harvest slightly early.
I've also seen on the you kay four twennie forum a grow report of malana cream,the grower also had hermis indoors. Very intrigued to say the least.....

 

[meizzwang]

some updates on manipuri: still have zero rot! However, my most mature manipuri plant is about 60% "ripe", so we'll see how it does as it reaches maturity. In contrast, nanda devi, kumaoni, and Ace's panama all got little spots of botrytis, even though one would think they'd not get any symptoms. It was surprising to see open, airy sativa buds get rot, whereas under the same conditions, the incredibly densely structured Mazar i Sharif had zero rot! Nevertheless, it does still appear that when compared to modern hybrids, landraces generally have a higher tolerance for rot. The Botrytis on my blueberry sativa got out of control in a matter of 2 days, whereas the landraces had small patches of rot that were spreading very slowly.

At this rate, there might be a chance that the earliest maturing manipuri gets close to finishing here by mid december, fingers crossed! The late maturing plant looks like it'll finish early January, if it survives that long! The terpenes on both plants are starting to mature and now there's an undeniable citrus aroma from both plants! Also, it's not just a subtle smell, it's pungent and in your face, can't wait to sample it! Despite all the cold, rainy and stressful conditions, there's still no hermi traits detected.

 

[harvestreaper]

interesting thread ,,heres an unusual pigmentation i found in a manipuri not seen anything like it myself ,,,,

 

[HIMALAYAN GANJA]

beutyfull; great job sir. man it seems you are highly knowledgable about the ganj strains of india. i wish i could talk to you in person cuz i would have thousnad questions to ask you!!

 

[HIMALAYAN GANJA]

ngakpa knows wassup!!

ngakpa knows wassup!!

hi there - lowland North India is all ganja or bhang cultivation, whereas the Himalaya is all charas with occasional ganja cultivation

Authentic Himalayan strains don't show anything Westerners would consider indica traits. In so far as there is indica in Parvati and Kullu strains it is due to people bringing in modern hybrids. The same applies to the South Indian mafia strains appearing in the last few years.

Authentic Indian cannabis is what we would call 'sativa'

I dropped 'pure' from the description of the Parvati and Malana Cream very early on because there is no way to be sure they are pure. People who want pure strains from that region need to go to Kinnaur or other places not visited much by Westerners or younger Indians who might have modern hybrid seeds

it seems obviouse that you have been to india and have lots oif experience with the ganja scene there. i woul really be grateful if you could eleborate on the part where you said the MAFIA STRAINS in the south. when i lived in india i always heard that the south indian ganja fields wer a no go zone and dangerouse since the cultivators could be hostile to nosy outsiders. so its tru that its a mafia running things. and you think they have been mixing western genetics in to the southern indian strains? if so then that would explain those few occaisions when i was able to aquire really good buds that were visibly completely different than the more common brick black weed people smoke in india? this will answer questions i have had floating in my head for a decade now

 

[Siever]

HIMALYAN GANJA,

What's the quality of that black brick weed? I mean; is it potent?

Kind regards,

Siever

 

[HIMALAYAN GANJA]

HI SIEVER most of the black weed inindia is not very potent and tastes nasty. i think they dont know proper cultivation techniques. they spray with pesticides, harvest early, dry in the sun then compress into bricks while still wet then store in humid places and the list of bad practice goes on.then when you get the good bud its not in a brick but lightly ompressedd but still attached to its stem so like buying huge long intact colas. this weed can vary from ok to super potent. then even this quality will always have mild taste du to the fact that it is always stored in burlap sacks:no airtight containers. but itscheap price makes up for it.there are places were it costs 100 dollars a kg!!!

 

[meizzwang]

Found some rot on my Manipuri plant unfortunately, so I chopped the main cola on the earliest maturing plant. It survived so long rot free. It's about 1-2 weeks away from maturity, got pretty close! Some pics of the buds after picking:

Bracts turned purple from cold stress:

 

[ngakpa]

RSC Manipuri outdoors in Oregon, Nov 30th

Fully ripe buds, zero mold, smells "divine" according to grower

Harvested Dec 1st

Really exciting to see a pure tropical ganja cultivar throwing up phenos that can finish up this far north!

Other growers have reported that the early phenos of the Manipuri can be excellent (and better than the later ones)

Will be interesting to see what a cure brings out

 

[herbgreen]

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RSC Manipuri outdoors in Oregon, Nov 30th

Fully ripe buds, zero mold, smells "divine" according to grower

Harvested Dec 1st

Really exciting to see a pure tropical ganja cultivar throwing up phenos that can finish up this far north!

Other growers have reported that the early phenos of the Manipuri can be excellent (and better than the later ones)

Will be interesting to see what a cure brings out

Great to know this information...

Manipuri sounds like some ultimate ganja!!!

 

[Koondense]

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RSC Manipuri outdoors in Oregon, Nov 30th

Fully ripe buds, zero mold, smells "divine" according to grower

Harvested Dec 1st

Really exciting to see a pure tropical ganja cultivar throwing up phenos that can finish up this far north!

Other growers have reported that the early phenos of the Manipuri can be excellent (and better than the later ones)

Will be interesting to see what a cure brings out

I like the structure of the plant a lot, here's a version I made(I hope you don't mind) for myself to see better the plant overall:

So lovely!

Cheers

 

[Green]

Beautiful Manipurr Monster Bush!

 

[ngakpa]

Beautiful Manipurr Monster Bush!

yes - all these Manipuri plants need is root space and good soil and they will do their thing

I'm really impressed at how this plant handled Oct and Nov in inland Oregon

here is a specimen outdoors in Manipur



(welcome to expand this image too)

 

[Water-]

Grew pics !

Is that one single plant?

Those are big bushes ?

Southern Oregon microclimate ?

 

[AspenGas]

Very insightful, I've heard of Burmese and Chinese indicas before but in my mind they're a separate genepool from the Kush type, they're not hashplants and probably not derived from hashplants. Thai and Laotian show this influence as well.

Only Ornamental posted this picture from Clarkes book, I think it shows the relatonships between different varieties pretty well.

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Kush strains are an isolate and confined to a small area, it's crazy how widespead they have become since they were commercialized. Looking at the map I think it's very much a possibility that "Kush" is an ancient cross breed of Indian and Central Asian genetics, the short stature might have come from ruderalis and the wide leafs from chinensis but that is of course just speculation from my part. Chinensis however is a separate gene pool.

I can't post pictures of RSC Manipuri but I'll pm you the links. Lots of purples in them, did your Chinese and Burmese plants have that feature?

great post

 

[mexcurandero420]

Found some rot on my Manipuri plant unfortunately, so I chopped the main cola on the earliest maturing plant. It survived so long rot free. It's about 1-2 weeks away from maturity, got pretty close! Some pics of the buds after picking:
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Bracts turned purple from cold stress:
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How is the aroma and what kind of nutes did you use?