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Manipuri

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Water-

Looks great Meizzwang!
Nice that you where able to get more seeds too .
Thanks for posting
Aloha
 

meizzwang

Member
Thanks Water and thejact55!

Thejact55-I'm gonna have to flip through your landrace thread and re-read your experience. I can't remember, were you able to get any seeds from your manipuri plants? Gonna try out Ukhrul next year, not too many reports on it. Who knows, might get lucky and find a winner.

Quick update: the later manipuri pheno still has zero signs of rot despite even cooler weather and rain!!! I also have 6 or 7 stumps with small flowers of malana that were left out just to see what would happen, and zero show signs of rot! No rot on the overripe buds or stems. Impressive!

In contrast, and to my surprise, Kumaoni has some botrytis on the stump I left out and the buds have half way melted. Still a million times better than modern hybrids in general. I think you'll have to pheno hunt through that variety to find more resistant individuals. So far, I think the malana strain as a whole is showing consistent resistance, whereas the others I've tried may require pheno hunting. Mazar I sharif was impressive in my experience and didn't rot during heavy rain, but I've read other reports that they struggled with powdery mildew.
 
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djonkoman

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the botrytis resistance might also be a regional/yearly thing.

I remember having some lectures about the gene-for-gene theory, that was mostly about phytophtera but I guess it applies to botrytis as well. (the gist of it is you have multiple strains of a fungus floating around, and multiple resistance genes. each resistancegene only works if the fungus/virus has a corresponding gene it 'recognises'. so it could be kumaoni is resistant in it's native region, but there is a different strain/race of botrytis in your region it can't handle. but that's kind of hard to find out for sure without innocculating it yourself so you know what strain/race of the fungus is infecting the plant).
 

Truhan

Member
the botrytis resistance might also be a regional/yearly thing.

I remember having some lectures about the gene-for-gene theory, that was mostly about phytophtera but I guess it applies to botrytis as well. (the gist of it is you have multiple strains of a fungus floating around, and multiple resistance genes. each resistancegene only works if the fungus/virus has a corresponding gene it 'recognises'. so it could be kumaoni is resistant in it's native region, but there is a different strain/race of botrytis in your region it can't handle. but that's kind of hard to find out for sure without innocculating it yourself so you know what strain/race of the fungus is infecting the plant).


interesting what you mention !!!!!

and those genes of resistance, will be able to adapt to the new fungi and recognize them.

All plants of the same variety bring the same genes of resistance to a type of fungi? or will there be individuals within the same variety who recognize the new variety of fungi and who adapt better to the environment?

I have cultivated kumaoni and I saw it well standing before the mushrooms, not as much as the manipuri, but much better than the zamal.

Greetings
 

meizzwang

Member
the botrytis resistance might also be a regional/yearly thing.

I remember having some lectures about the gene-for-gene theory, that was mostly about phytophtera but I guess it applies to botrytis as well. (the gist of it is you have multiple strains of a fungus floating around, and multiple resistance genes. each resistancegene only works if the fungus/virus has a corresponding gene it 'recognises'. so it could be kumaoni is resistant in it's native region, but there is a different strain/race of botrytis in your region it can't handle. but that's kind of hard to find out for sure without innocculating it yourself so you know what strain/race of the fungus is infecting the plant).

Absolutely! Also, outdoors, disease symptoms and pathogen virulence will vary from year to year. Without doing a pathogen strain ID, you can still get significant results comparing multiple grow reports of the same strain under a variety of different grow environments.

The weather here right now is very conducive of rot in general: very cold, constantly wet/rainy weather with little light. Anything that survives this unscathed is significant to mention, but of course, these results don't mean these exact genetics will have the same resistance under other environmental conditions. However, looking at multiple grow reports of manipuri under a variety of outdoor conditions, we can hypothesize with confidence it has higher disease resistance compared to many other cultivars. It's safe to say, some individuals in the manipuri strain hold great potential for breeding disease resistance.

With regards to malana cream, there isn't enough data to show this is more disease resistant overall compared to other strains. More grow reports are needed. Same can be said about Kumaoni.

Truhan: thank you for sharing your results! This is exactly the sort of info we need!
 

troutman

Seed Whore
the high is as potent as any potent occidental hybrid but very energizing, the effect is very similar as sam skunkman
described smoking pure thc, gives you some anxiety and puts you even in a little agressive mood, but in a good way,
like you do things with a let's smash this motherfuckers attitude

Smash :biggrin:
 

meizzwang

Member
Shockingly, it looks like the later maturing manipuri individual will finish here sometime in early to mid January. To recap, this plant was really finicky and despite being in the exact same soil as it's sister, this plant turned yellowish while the sister maintained healthy green leaves. However, this plant STILL shows zero signs of rot! Unbelievable!

The buds look decent in size when you see them in these photos, but once you manicure them and cut away all the leafy material, they become skeletons with only a few bracts surrounding the stems. Even though the yields are relatively small, from what I've seen so far with the earlier pheno, the quality makes up for it all!

Despite horrible cold, windy weather, fluctuating temperatures, rain, mostly cloudy days but some sunny days....just a plethora of environmental conditions you'd expect to cause hermis, ZERO hermis have been found on my manipuri plants.

Previous reports stated the later manipuri phenos weren't as good or potent as the earlier ones. Now that the resin is maturing on this later pheno, I can say this much: the citrus aroma is slightly more pronounced on this later pheno! Will report on potency at a later time. It's also really sticky, I'm seeing copious resin glands form on some of the side stems of the inflorescence. This plant is very fragrant, and my hope is that translates to the flavor.

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thejact55

Well-known member
Seedsman used to be where i got em, but they stopped taking visa. Lame. I dont know of any others. Its dumb. Im not gonna apply for a new card just to buy seeds...
 

Green

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Meizz- Well done, can’t believe you brought those girls so far along. I can imagine The cold must have slowed those girls down. Did you make any crosses? I could imagine a good clear headed fast Mexican might be a suitable.

I am still intrigued by this ultra late flowering variety. Make sure they get a good long cure, 3 months plus and smoke a couple of joints and report back. Hehe
 

ngakpa

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@meizzwang - beautiful bud, and good looking seeds --- always good to see people making their own seeds and keeping the strain pure...

this is what all growers should do (not just making hybrids of this and that)
 

Green

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@meizzwang - beautiful bud, and good looking seeds --- always good to see people making their own seeds and keeping the strain pure...

this is what all growers should do (not just making hybrids of this and that)

Hey Ngakpa,

Ever thankful for my Manipur beans.

First and foremost, I 100% agree with you that heirlooms and cultivators should be kept “pure”. Thus the golden rule “ Thou shall not hybridized at the expense of keeping a line pure.”

Also is their any exceptions to the golden rule? One does not have any males?

But I disagree in regards to sweeping absolutism’s about making hybrids. (“Only a Sith speaks in absolutes”, lol) Especially when the golden rule has been applied as a prerequisite to the hybrid.

The real question Is, in what context does one make a hybrid, ones reasons, ones goals. And of course environmental factors.

My particular hybrid-
What’s a brother to do if he’s got an ancient narrow leaf inbred line with old stock, low germination and the only seeds that pop are all females... it’s middle of winter... and the only other ultra late flowering boys around are Manipuri?
 
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thejact55

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Good to hear from you ngakpa. Some folks were worried. Heard the website was down (just looked and its up) and each passing day made us nervous. Glad all is well.
 

ngakpa

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@Green

yeah, I agree

I often suggest that people consider making crosses - e.g. in situations where people got the Manipuri as a freebie and complain that it won't finish outdoors where they are, they can consider crossing it to something faster

clearly people can and do make hybrids or do whatever else they want

the problem is that 99.9% of growers do just cross this and that, without any thought to keeping good plants going in their pure form

I'm not just talking about landraces - I mean any good true-breeding strain, be it a Haze, Skunk, or whatever

the clear direction with cannabis strains these days is to become a mish mash of crosses crossed with crosses crossed with crosses etc.

surprisingly few people who get a new strain devote their first grow of it to making their own seeds

or have an eye to 20, 30 years down the road, when you can be sure so many of these varieties - even modern ones - will have vanished
 

ngakpa

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Good to hear from you ngakpa. Some folks were worried. Heard the website was down (just looked and its up) and each passing day made us nervous. Glad all is well.

hi - thanks... it was just a glitch, everything is back online
 

Green

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Ngakpa-

You have made a lot of great points and I agree on all of them. Your are obviously in the vanguard in this struggle.

Optimistically I hope the next 20-30 years are better. Maybe a new era.

Haha, I’m still laughing that people complain when the receive free seeds.
 

thejact55

Well-known member
@Green

yeah, I agree

I often suggest that people consider making crosses - e.g. in situations where people got the Manipuri as a freebie and complain that it won't finish outdoors where they are, they can consider crossing it to something faster

clearly people can and do make hybrids or do whatever else they want

the problem is that 99.9% of growers do just cross this and that, without any thought to keeping good plants going in their pure form

I'm not just talking about landraces - I mean any good true-breeding strain, be it a Haze, Skunk, or whatever

the clear direction with cannabis strains these days is to become a mish mash of crosses crossed with crosses crossed with crosses etc.

surprisingly few people who get a new strain devote their first grow of it to making their own seeds

or have an eye to 20, 30 years down the road, when you can be sure so many of these varieties - even modern ones - will have vanished

A-fucking-men....! My last 5 years and counting of my life has been devoted to open pollinating my stash before i dare making crosses. Besides the rouge female i put in a tent. I fear the loss of so much. Not just cannabis, but agro crops or sensitive habitat seeds also.
 

geneva_sativa

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Ngakpa-

You have made a lot of great points and I agree on all of them. Your are obviously in the vanguard in this struggle.

Optimistically I hope the next 20-30 years are better. Maybe a new era.

Haha, I’m still laughing that people complain when the receive free seeds.

Yeah, I have much respect for Ngakpa for what he has shared with the community over many years. . . even if I disagree with small points once in a while ;)

Have bought several of the lines and really love to hear the stories of collecting, smoking, background histories, etc .. the magazine article of charas, hash and seed collecting was fantastic.
 

PineNuts

New member
The chance to obtain some seeds of the Manipuri or Ukhrul would be most appreciated.

For the 2017 season I grew out some Ukhrul, segregated one male apart from the greenhouse with the intent to produce seed via selected polination. Due to some crazy fungus problems which developed after utilizing some high nitrogen organic fertilizer, the plants in the greenhouse were totally decimated. After a month or so, I moved the segregated male back into the greenhouse by his lonesome, where he proceeded to produce late and abundant pistillate flowers into January without much botrytis. S(he) was certainly a purple one, the resin production wasnt amazing, and the flower structure was moderately airy but not whispy. Based on smell alone, I suspect the terpene content was low, though it was certainly unique. I ended up making a ethanolic extract by mixing the flowers with those of another plant - so I cannot comment on the pure effects. The other flowers' effects were kinda anger-inducing and whacko, but the blend is still very functional. So thus my interest in revisiting this region's plants.
 
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