Male S1's

[Adze]

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[Adze]

Ok, you s1 a male, then you can pollinate either with the pollen from the same male or a different male. If you cross the plant with itself, the seed will have only genes from the one plant, re-mixed. So, you’d likely find a range, you’re sort of compounding this single set of genes. If there were a lot of inter-sex traits in the genes then you’d expect to see that more often, on the other hand you could see some traits of interest expressed. I wouldn’t do it this way if I were trying to produce the most vigorous seed. This sort of inbreeding potentially combines pairs of recessive genes that wouldn’t otherwise be passed on to the seed. So, I guess it depends…

I have a question, why would you start with a male? You can’t know what sort of traits it might have, other than growing out lots of offspring. Why not start with a female you think is outstanding? Smoke a little and see if she’d make a good parent, then do your S1.

Clearly there are some folks here who might have responded that know a good deal more than I do regarding this topic. So, please correct me if this is off.

 

[FOE20]

Prob is tho is the so called male a male..or a Female displaying male parts...
Plus Males are as or more important cause their more unknown..meaning it will take yo longer to know whats in it..A Female yo can flower out and have a perty good idea of how it will do..A Male only shows you the growth and basic flower form..No quality of Effect even tho some say you an smoke um..I dont..,no Idea of resin output or bud type till you do get a Female...But the Male will hide more making it more work and needing more attention to what it is in whole..

Far as the whole Selfed or Reverted or now Feminized males?.....Th term Selfed back in the day didn't mean reverted plants...Folks can say its botany but its manipulation either way you dice it up...Is it Natural?....No it is not...
`85 Cultivators Choice detail clause = *by" Selfed" we mean a F, hybrid bred crossed within its own kind..
Selfed only meant stage 1 of a Inline Back crossing...Now a days Filial Gen is a F-gen and "Selfing aka Reverting aka Using and creating Hermaphroditic and weak progeny" has become standard practice...and ppl wonder why its all screwed up...heh..get it..screwed up...
I - B - L = In Bred Line - meaning bred within its own Parental lines..
IB-BL = In Bred Back Line = Same Line F-gen Progeny Back crossed to the Original Mother or Parent line..To much of this can cause inbred depression and other issues as well..
Selfed - Late Natural Survival tactic which does produce mostly Feminized off spring but within the Selfed plant can cause serious issue...
and still IMO/E The Best Breeding is Standard Forward Breeding...keep rollin
FOE20

 

[circadian clock]

this is why i asked if anyone knew about male s1's. i figure if only the male was used i could see what it breeds for and go from there. instead of growing out hundreds of crosses where 50 % of the seeds show the male traits i could just grow out a couple and could get a better idea of what this male will contribute. i also wonder what u get if u cross 2 males together?

 

[darkvade420]

so i think i pollenated one of my plants .i noticed one plant had balls on it in week one of 12/12.i put it in the veg room so i could save it to breed with. the pollen sacks never opened to a yellow flower but now in week 5 of this other female plants life cycle the growth of the buds has come to a hault and the hairs are 50/50 red and white im wondering is there any way i could have pollenated my plant with out it showing yellow flowers? like premature pollenation? or is there something i could be missing? becuse normaly my hairs arents 50/50 on my plants untill day 45-50 for my indicas not day 35-40?

 

[Northstar22]

I have a male I think from a S1 seed ..I'm gonna give it a few more weeks to show any pistils but its looking male ..Idc what people say about breeding with these if its a male I'm dusting branches to see what I get ...I'd rather see for myself then have some one "tell me" what's gonna happen

Me Too popped a seed from on old lsd clone run that had as few seeds and got a male but no males in the garden only female plants.by sure what it will do

 

[circadian clock]

just to clarify i wasn't talking about males coming from s1 seeds, i was asking about selfing males.

 

[Tom Hill]

Oh, my apologies then I missunderstood you CC. I have heard of a few guys talk about it, I think Kopite even considered a breeding project based somewhat around that. To what end and what advantage however, I still cannot wrap my head around.

 

[circadian clock]

I am limited on what i can grow(space) so even males have to be considered important. being misunderstood well thats another thread. but seriously i think im on to something just not sure what, if anything. thanks for posting everyone

 

[Tom Hill]

males importance is determined by what they bring to the end product (females). If you self a male, you'll get 75% males, so you'll have to grow more of them to evaluate what they bring to the table, than any other option?

 

[circadian clock]

so ur saying if i wanted more males of a certain strain, selfing said male would give me more males. sounds great to me.

 

[circadian clock]

you still have to cross it 2 a female to see what it breeds to the females. well there goes that shortcut.

 

[jack hairy]

no, two males crossed together or a single male selfed will produce females also.
judging those females can give you a good idea of the traits that the male possesses.
The SCA of the male and other females would still need to be tested.
i have two females that come from the cross of two different males, but i dont remember which seed came from which plant, so i dont know their exact pedigree.
but they are both nice females that havent shown any male flowers under stressful conditions, so i am happy with them so far.
sometimes all you have is a male, why let a good strain slip through your hands when you can resurrect a whole new line of males and females from that single male.

 

[ahortator]

sometimes all you have is a male, why let a good strain slip through your hands when you can resurrect a whole new line of males and females from that single male.

Hi, that's what I thought when I did this: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=277729&page=2

But only one male it is not the best scenario, because your strain looses alleles and inbreeding depression could become a big problem. The most plants you use to make seeds the better. But sometimes you only get one plant.

If you self a male you will have 75% males and 25% females. But one third of that males would be YY, so all the seeds you make with then and a female will be common males (XY).

An interesting use for male selfing is that as Tom says that a true male is a male and most hermaphrodites are females. Then the seeds you make from a real male would be free from hermphroditism. I have to confirm it yet.

Greetings.

 

[Chimera]

An interesting use for male selfing is that as Tom says that a true male is a male and most hermaphrodites are females. Then the seeds you make from a real male would be free from hermphroditism. I have to confirm it yet.

That's a false logical leap.

What Tom really said is that plants we identify as intersex are mostly from XX plants, rather than us identifying true males as the presence of XY. People often mistake XX intersex plants as XY, and call them males. XY plants, or true males, can ONLY be confirmed via a genetic test or a very careful microscopic analysis, whereas most people call a true male a plant that has staminate flowers only.

The take home point here is that genes responsible for the appearance of intersex traits are not linked to the X or Y chromosomes, but rather are present on the autosomes. This means that any plant XX, XY, or YY, can therefor possess the alleles responsible for intersex traits. As such, the claim that XY plants are free from intersexuality is baseless and incorrect.

HTH,
-Chimera

 

[ahortator]

Hi Chimera

Thank you very much. Now I see I was actually wrong.

Do you think intersex traits could be linked to an ethylene metabolic pathway disorder? Or perhaps the ethylene-receptors or the response given by the plant?

 

[Betterhaff]

The take home point here is that genes responsible for the appearance of intersex traits are not linked to the X or Y chromosomes, but rather are present on the autosomes.

Interesting. Is there any research to support this? I know it’s been speculated that the intersex trait is contained in the autosomes but couldn’t there also be interaction between modifier genes on the autosomes that enable/disable genes on the sex chromosomes to create the intersex trait. Just thinking out loud.

If and when mapping is done, markers may be found to help solve this intriguing question.

 

[circadian clock]

totally unrelated to now, but can s1's reverse traits, like from smell to taste.

 

[circadian clock]

don't really expect an answer but how in the world do you make a strain smell like something you can only taste. ex. grapefruit