circadian clock
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so ur on the same level with sam the skunkman about true males and females. every post just keeps gettin better and better.
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Male S1's
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circadian clock
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i had a nice good post about males and the damn thing timed out on me, so anyway heres the shorter version. what, in your opinion is the best way to select for males? vigor, stature, smell, taste, etc.
None of those things you've read are acceptable criteria for selecting males. You speak of phenotypes, but you will only ever know genotype by being blind to phenotypes. Smell and taste for sure is selecting for hermies, there is an absolute correlation there ime... for only weak females that look like males are good smoke. Be wary of decent smelling/tasting/smoking resinous "males". The best males, are the ones that give the best progeny, there really is no other test, , it's all blaspheme, all else is some kind of bizarre ego stroke that belongs deep down inside of some dungeon, where man doesn't bother to engage in thought 
Thank you Mr. Hill for all the info. What are some of the visible traits you look for when selecting a male to test his progeny ?
Use the healthiest males you have and then test the progeny. Otherwise you run the risk of culling the best. There's often a catch 22 at work here. To judge the best male you have to grow his progeny but a lot of people don't make seed until they find the 'best' male. But visible traits without testing are worth next to nothing, assuming linkage is tricky at best and completely erroneous at worst. Take hollow stems for instance or resinous males. Test the seed and you'll know if things are heading in the right direction or not.
circadian clock
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how far would u go to test the offspring, intial cross or farther?
That's absurd. Male plants can certainly and do produce self-seed. Given application of ethephon, staminate plants produce pistillate flowers and can set seed, again only evidencing that the genes responsible for the development of both staminate and pistillate flowers on are the autosomes.
Looks like that thought of Nevil's was wrong too, just to set your world-view upright again.
-Chimera
circadian clock
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thank u chimera as i was a little confused when tom hill said they were the same then said they dont exist. but anyway does anybody know anything about male s1s?
Pure or True...guess its all how its used...or said...
CClock...sure....whats being said is its not a Male..Its a Female expressing male form with feminized pollen...not sure if this is proven or speculative yet...Was a thread on the topic, but it seems to be the topic of quite a few threads now....
I'd avoid using Selfed or Feminized lines for any breeding personally....gl
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circadian clock
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yea i was just interested because i have some seeds that were made from just 1 plant a male.
it defiantly wasn't a hermie either, i was actually debating this year weather to grow them or seeds i bought off the bay. of course i used the ones i bought , but still have them male s1 seeds! I respect everyones opinion and like i said, if anyone knows anything about male s1's please post.
it defiantly wasn't a hermie either, i was actually debating this year weather to grow them or seeds i bought off the bay. of course i used the ones i bought , but still have them male s1 seeds! I respect everyones opinion and like i said, if anyone knows anything about male s1's please post.
Kush Technician
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so one male plant made the seeds, but seeds are grown in the female sex organ of a cannabis plant, therefore your plant had female "parts" and thus is by definition a hermaphroditic plant. I have two S1 seeds that both turned out what appears to be completely male, no visible stamen. But time may tell otherwise. I personally would not use the pollen from these seed plants just based on the fact they are s1's. Your s1's are from a hermie plant too, unless you know of some way to reverse an otherwise "stable" male plant intentionally.
circadian clock
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actually a hermie has both sex organs in the same spot.
Kush Technician
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Im sure in the history of cannabis throughout the world, cultivated and wild, male plants have given birth to seeds all on their own, just as what you describe happening to your plant, CC. It just seems like the nature of this species -- that is, to go on and proliferate no matter what environmental conditions it endures. What we both are describing, I think, are plants that, regardless of genetics, are displaying both male AND female tendencies. Forget about semantics, like "hermie". If you get down to the bare bones of it, what we have are plants that are able to reproduce asexually. So I may have used that term incorrectly, or rather, I know what you mean and where you are coming from. It is a very interesting topic and may help to further understand the nature of cannabis.
circadian clock
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yea dj short stated males that produce seed are rare and also have a higher female ratio. so hopefully when i get a chance to grow these out i get a better understanding of what i got. if anybody has anything else to add please feel free to post away.
I have a male I think from a S1 seed ..I'm gonna give it a few more weeks to show any pistils but its looking male ..Idc what people say about breeding with these if its a male I'm dusting branches to see what I get ...I'd rather see for myself then have some one "tell me" what's gonna happen
circadian clock
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thats cool u got a male from some s1s. now u got an elite in male form! kinda not what i was talking about, but cool either way. seeing how yours came from a female ur male might be feminized(i think). anybody else?
