Male S1's

[FOE20]

I'd like to know what you get from the Male seed CC...what line are you talking on that you had a Male from to start?..
Thing is this for me when a standard Plant sexes it goes thru the basic processes..When a plant reverts or tries to save itself females will revert or only prod a few Male sacs to seed itself making "selfed" mostly Feminized seed...Which is great for feminized folk...
This process still usually only happens in populations that are low in male donors and or a mid-late season stressing...But even in a open population those Females that Revert will Pollinate itself but also the other Standard Females within the populous along with any normal Males that may of been there as well..So the next season if theres enough males or a standard grow season they will produce mostly standard phenom types...
So my point is..even if a Population does show reverted females or males its still always working toward re-balancing its natural population thru Natural Selection ala Darwin..

Now for the sake of argument IMO both were correct in a way...Darwin was right to assume and document the Natural Selection that Happens in Nature by Force of Nature and its Environmental factors..In a Natural Enviro(Galapagos) nature will make selection and evolution based on what the species needs or evolves into...making the Idea of Natural Selection a progressive Selection as well...Mendal used a Controlled Enviro...matter of fact it was only with a thoughtful hypothesis, a carefully designed experiment, and enormous patience that brought Mendal to his conclusions..but it was still very controlled and what he did was take Darwin theory to the next level by In-breeding a species and understanding its inherit traits fully thru all offspring...
I understand also that for Mendal this had to be a big breakthrough at the time cause it was a very new thing to...well sorta..heh..
Theophrastus's major botanical works[19] were the Enquiry into Plants (Historia Plantarum) and Causes of Plants (Causae Plantarum) which were his lecture notes for the Lyceum.[20] The opening sentence of the Enquiry reads like a botanical manifesto: “We must consider the distinctive characters and the general nature of plants from the point of view of their morphology, their behavior under external conditions, their mode of generation and the whole course of their life”. ...

Later, the cytological basis of the gene-chromosome theory of heredity extended from about 1900–1944 and was initiated by the rediscovery of Gregor Mendel's (1822–1884) laws of plant heredity first published in 1866 in Experiments on Plant Hybridization and based on cultivated pea, Pisum sativum: this heralded the opening up of plant genetics. The cytological basis for gene-chromosome theory was explored through the role of polyploidy and hybridization in speciation and it was becoming better understood that interbreeding populations were the unit of adaptive change in biology.

So to me how the Plant or Populous is effected is related to enviro, passed traits and everything in between..But you must Know the Species very well to start...Also plants are a great way to learn about these inherent traits as using animals or people would be 100x as hard..Cause in plants were only studying basic reproduction, basic form and effect traits..In animals and humans it would be skin color, eye color, hair color, your growth pattern, your mental and physical ability in many aspects, etc....
So when a species has to adapt it gets a longer Beak..or shorter..or taller legs...or no legs...or bigger eyes...or no eyes...
A plant doesn't have eyes...but then again a Potato does...heh...
Point being its easier to study a Potato than it is to define how we evolve as a Family - genus - species..
Theres a bit of info to chew on n hope it helps in some way....heh...keep rollin
FOE20

Darwin, like many of his contemporaries, speculated that characteristics of the parents were blended -- like mixing paint -- as they passed to the offspring. But if that were true, some of Darwin's critics pointed out, then how could a single fortunate mutation be spread through a species? It would be blended out, just as a single drop of white paint would be in a gallon of black.

Mendel read Darwin with deep interest, but he disagreed with the blending notion, hypothesizing instead that traits, such as eye color or height or flower hues, were carried by tiny particles that were inherited whole in the next generation.

Mendel knew exactly what this meant. Height was passed down in a particle we now call a gene (though Mendel never used that term himself). A plant was short or tall depending on the random combination of genes it inherited.
So an adaptive mutation could spread slowly through a species and never be blended out.
Darwin's theory of natural selection, building on small mutations, could work. But no one at the time understood the implications of Mendel's experiments.

 

[circadian clock]

the strain i have is called "arizona" or as we call it A. Thing is its very strong for a commercial variety. it took me all day just to smoke 3 bowl fulls, and i smoke like a chimney. So hopefully when i get a chance to grow these out next season i get some females that are just as strong as the male that produced buds.
we had a hurricane come thru last year and after it passed i went outside to check on my plants all were gone except the lone male. now about a week later i went to go cut it down and notice on the tips of all the top branches it looked like little calyxs were forming. so i left it alone so the buds could finish.i harvested about 4 days prior to the earthquake we had on the east coast. i remember that well because i so so happy to smoke as it was dry at the time.
so i still have about 12 -15 seeds of these male s1s. only sprouted 2 this year to see if they were viable. i would have grown them out this year but we had a planned vacation and i didnt want to be that guy whos plants died because they didnt get water so i opted not to grow outside this year.
hence this thread hoping someone else has experiance with what im talking about.
any questions, comments, info please post away

 

[trichrider]

using colloidal silver i reversed a male that produced seed that was viable.

have yet to grow any out, but it's in the works.

wasn't sure it was possible, now i know better.

just a butch female huh tom?

 

[circadian clock]

yea i think tom hill was speaking genetically witch is a little over my head.
trichrider please let me know whats up with yours when u get around to it.
i greatly appreciate everybodys opinion and thoughts on this subject.
if anybody else has anything to add please dont be shy.

 

[Tom Hill]

That's absurd. Male plants can certainly and do produce self-seed. Given application of ethephon, staminate plants produce pistillate flowers and can set seed, again only evidencing that the genes responsible for the development of both staminate and pistillate flowers on are the autosomes.

Looks like that thought of Nevil's was wrong too, just to set your world-view upright again.

-Chimera

Not absurd but poorly phrased The vast majority of plants that set seed *without the addition of outside ethephon etc, are females. This includes steves frosty males, Dj's reverse hermies, and this guys new experiment in the lab. It's cool man, I'm sure you guys will notice something too, sooner or later JK, biglove amigo and good to see you, it's like you're here...

 

[Cabron]

using colloidal silver i reversed a male that produced seed that was viable.

have yet to grow any out, but it's in the works.

wasn't sure it was possible, now i know better.

just a butch female huh tom?

are you telling me that you used CS to fully induce pistillate

production in a true male ,,,resulting an a self pollenation
of the same plant and have viable seeds from it ?



I feel thats what you are saying ...


hmmm I've yet to even attempt this ,,,,please tell me more about this ..

 

[Tom Hill]

and lemme guess the seed grew into a female. Same result would have been had if I was to piss on it, or bring to bear any other of many a stressors... PS, I got it Cabron, the real Trainwreck came waltzing into camp yesterday, a true blast from the past baby. Thank Mr. Chimera, and then come smoke some, it's on lock.

 

[Prodigygrower]

what are some of the traits you look for when you initially choose a male for testing. I know the only way to be sure you have choose a good male is to test his progeny but there has got to be base line of things to look for when your making your male selections is it smell ,structure, or visible trics sorry for bothering you but your one of the best and I'd like to learn what things to look for when making my own male selections for breeding so I can make the best possible selection .

 

[Tom Hill]

If I told you no, there's nothing to look for, would you believe me? Can you go there?

 

[Tom Hill]

That is what needs to happen as long as we chase polygenetic/quantitative trait loci.

 

[Tom Hill]

Judge Charlie Manson, or Christ, or Gandhi, or Kennedy by their stature do you. What does their stature have to do with the way they make you feel? What if I told you that every fucking idea inside the head of these clowns where this all comes from, is absolute bullshit?

 

[Tom Hill]

This is truly where the term be fruitful and multiply comes from, and mongering is defended. They are solid maths, go through the numbers, she might be smart, but the odds of that one coming out better than all of those other 20, is very quite slim. Irregardless of environment.

 

[Cabron]

and lemme guess the seed grew into a female. Same result would have been had if I was to piss on it, or bring to bear any other of many a stressors... PS, I got it Cabron, the real Trainwreck came waltzing into camp yesterday, a true blast from the past baby. Thank Mr. Chimera, and then come smoke some, it's on lock.

Beat me to it Thomas .....??

ya shit !

toss up a pic or two when she gets a lil structure onto her ....

I ended up getting a few packs of So Cal Seed Company Pure E32
on the way and a few feelers out to some friends ..


waiting ....

 

[Tom Hill]

you don't understand, I mean it's done done

 

[Prodigygrower]

I'm sorry but I don't understand I'm not sure what jfk and gandhi have to do with making the best pheno type selections when it comes to breeding pardon my ignorance. I'm only 23 and still learning I just want to grow the best I can and make the best back up seeds I can from the genetics that are valuable to me. I know I have a lot to learn but how can I learn unless I ask questions from those who I feel are the best informed and most educated on the subject. Again I'm sorry if I said something wrong I just wanted a sort of base line for when choosing my males. That looks like some nice herb is that the A train wreck she is a frosty girl for sure.

 

[Adze]

Prodigy grower,
Admittedly a somewhat obscure metaphor, but the point is that you can not tell what value an individual (jfk and gandhi) has to offer from appearances any more than you can tell from the phenotypic expression what genetic traits any male plant might have.

 

[circadian clock]

what tom hill is saying just because u pick a certain trait dosn't necessarily mean its gonna be breed into the next generation. thats why u have to grow out the seeds and see what it breeds into the next generation. i think thats what he means.

 

[Adze]

And, the males you discard might just have the genetics for those very special traits that you're looking for, without showing anything that looks or smells promising.
Learn what you can about post # 50.

 

[Prodigygrower]

ohh ok I understand I guess I will just continue to choose my males based on structure smell and visible resin and see how that works out thanks for the info guys.

 

[circadian clock]

If you s1 a male, is it just like what would happen if u crossed it to a female? meaning can u see what it breeds for in those s1 seeds?