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"Male hermies arent bad"

Mudballs2.0

Active member
There's allele frequency calculations you can do if you know everything to determine the ratios possible...that's about it. You could germ 4million seeds but still not see the ratios in the field of plants that ur supposed to see
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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Hedge, while the numbers needed to see text book maths is high, it should become obvious, fairly quickly, whether you're working with roughly the same male to female ratio (X Y), or if you have 1 in 4 or 5 showing male and all the others showing female. (X autosome).
If you get down to less than 1 in 10 showing as male, a few showing as both, and the rest female, your last "father" was probably female.
I still don't understand this new category, but quite honestly I think it's unlikely either of us will run into it.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
Aneuploid karyotypes. Aneuploidy occurs when the number of chromosomes of a particular pair is unbalanced.
So...we can't call them trifoliates eh?! hmmm
how bout we use the actual fucking scientific terminology then that nobody in this fucking thread seems to know a fkn lick about!
they are trisomic aneuploids.
You can call them Susan if it makes you happy, I really don't care, someone asked where the terms came from, I answered. I'm not trademarking them, what do I care?

But why are you asserting that tri's are aneuploids? You say it like if someone knows what aneuploid means, it becomes self evident, but I think you're making an error of abductive logic. Or perhaps I'm still missing something? Any papers suggesting it other than your own unsupported assertions?
 

Mudballs2.0

Active member
You have to prove me wrong as much as i have to prove me right...im sure it's comfortable to sit there and say ur wrong mudballs...3 of you are doing it with little to offer as retort for the topic...do ur own homework
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
I have for 2 decades and posted my findings here in multiple threads and again in this one. I gave the gene responsible which if googled will back up my beliefs. You are putting forward an alternative and think it's my job to prove you wrong? Ok you're full of it.
 

Mudballs2.0

Active member
@CreeperStipule really? You're gonna volunteer me like that?

Ok, here we go, sound bites only, I've typed this stuff out in detail in my threads: evolution, 3 plus 3=?, 4+4=?, Bruised Nuts, and God knows how many more.
The term trifoliate was coined by Bushy Old Grower "Bog" who saw them cropping up once in a while. I prefer the term trifoliar, but then I'm British, and we prefer the "ar" sound to the "a" sound. See terms such as asshole v arsehole. Anyway, getting away from the point.
They are not aneuploids, at least I haven't seen anything that would even suggest that.
The presence of either a mutated Lea13 gene, or an additional, intact copy within the same chromosome is the most likely explanation.
However, I also suspect a connection with the causes of fasciation, due to plants with 2,3 and 4 cotyledons being stable, (right the way through flower in many cases). Seedlings starting with 5 on the other hand, will fasciate, always.

As for the sex det stuff, Sam put up a superb paper on X to auto, some time back, maybe 1-2 years. The hemizygous stuff is still mystifying to me, but for there still to be confusion about active Y, I'll leave you banging your head on that wall.
Perhaps regions would be handy.
I work with indicas, mainly of Afghan decent. They are all active Y mechs. I believe X to auto is common in the Thailand region, I have no idea where you'd find this third mech though.
Anybody see any supporting bodies of evidence or links? ...seems he wants you all to google it and do ur own homework
Edit...you can find me in the music thread
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
Not when you're old, tired and grumpy it's not, it's just noisey and annoying.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
.... Wtf , just Google lea13. It's right there in my post. Is that what you call needing to do research?
 

Deleted user 97766655

Active member
Look you find me arrogant, yet you or igrowone cannot explain where the Y chromosome would come from, you know the very thing that makes a male a male, you seem ignorant to this fact, you don't seem to understand that if something expresses maleness it doesn't make it a male.
They have found these types at a rate of 1 in 500 or such in female XX populations ( this is documented). Why they express I don't know perhaps there's signals so they know there's no males and allocate like this to reproduce?

Anyway last post as really can't be arsed with drama bullshit.
Too arrogant? Tough shit.
Not arrogant just frustrated and to me = passion your choice of words maybe don’t reflect your points and thus adds to burden that you are being heard but not understood just communication get lost in translation which is maybe what the plant is having problems with too but nature been working on this lot longer than we have?
 

Deleted user 97766655

Active member
E.g. plants do have multiple copies in the autosomal regions which they can use to build anything they want, with the sex chromosomes just act as suppressor (or lack thereof) of the expression of specific genes
Hey explain your idea for what is sending first message and go to what then it sends a message to what and then it does what. Basically what are the players in the game and do we have a loop system that works much like the pituitary gland producing LH and then goes to testes to produce testosterone build up and then breaks down into what then the the by product goes to the location with new enzymes to shut down pituitary from producing LH. Are picking up what I am laying down. Everyone knows system has checks and balances to keep in homeostasis right?
 

Deleted user 97766655

Active member
Bro, I wonder who came up with that term "trifoliate"? I've first read that at another forum not so long ago and now everyone uses that lol... (which is not correct). I take it you are refering to seedlings starting out with 3 cotyledons? (These also grow more sideshoots but later loose that once alternate-distichous growth sets in...)
These are called "tricotyl" and that is a recessive trait linked to late-blooming and cold weather when the seeds form in the mother.

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Maybe a link to this thread is warranted, it covers alot of your questions @Ecor1 @Mudballs2.0 and links to a large number of relevant studies.

Cheers
Do you have this in English?
 

Deleted user 97766655

Active member
I think the DNA stays the same in each plants genome but they share epigenetic information via epialleles, so although the graft my change it's expression via DNA methylation (silencing the genes) via sRNA which target the transposons.
It still is what it was.

There's a member into grafting here but think you already know that.

Anyway apologies for posting.
Yes dna doesn’t change agree and nucleus is in good shape so tRNA go through ribosome and makes the amino acids but maybe it has something that is missing or mistaken. Maybe but it might activate the system to go instead of 3’ to 5’ goes reverse 5’ to 3’. Just learning some of transcription and translation issues might be involved so I think that was somebody’s theory I don’t know. Will think about all these great ideas 💡 you guys are throwing around.
 

Deleted user 97766655

Active member
Bro, I wonder who came up with that term "trifoliate"? I've first read that at another forum not so long ago and now everyone uses that lol... (which is not correct). I take it you are refering to seedlings starting out with 3 cotyledons? (These also grow more sideshoots but later loose that once alternate-distichous growth sets in...)
These are called "tricotyl" and that is a recessive trait linked to late-blooming and cold weather when the seeds form in the mother.

***

Maybe a link to this thread is warranted, it covers alot of your questions @Ecor1 @Mudballs2.0 and links to a large number of relevant studies.

Cheers
Have English version of this? I think Deutsch German?
 

CreeperStipule

Active member
Are you you deutsch? Paper is written in German can’t read mom is Rawhouser but didn’t teach me so I am Ignorant oder dumm

I'm not, I barely speak english haha... I haven't read the pdf Cerathule put up as yet. but most plant refs are greek or latin.
 

William76

Well-known member
A line is only stable when all in the population is stable,if the females in a line are unstable then tthat line is unstable,if only males are unstable that line is unstable.the herm gene/trait is passed to all in the population wether it shows up in 1 sex or the other.i wouldn't try fix just males in the line,I'd fix the line.youll need both stable males and females to do this.
 
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