Male clones transformed to Female to judge male smoking quality

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

im diggin this tech for picking a male. this is the only male i ran like this of this strain. so this is exactly where this comes in. its male counterparts ar not giving me much of a glimpse into their smell profile in comparison to reversed males. its dramatic. its so easy to smell and see the resin production as it really applies, as a female flower.
this thing is calling me to try again.
she stinks so strong of og and cookies.
its a nice pheno honestly. now to reverse her. i didnt keep a back up.
i have a ton more to run this way.
i really think this is cool. it will be interesting to see what pans out of progeny from these types of male selections.
not trying to stablize so much as make a neato cross for in house pleasures. really just an excuse to do science projects. theres plenty of awesome cookie cuts in my stable. i just want to play with this technique.
so, now that i am........might as well play away.

 

[RulaTone]

great experiment str8


i like the hormone root feeding idea, interesting trick MrBelvedere!

 

[Dave Coulier]

Im glad to see some resurgence in this thread lately. Its got me itching to do more testing with this PGR. Ive got a Mr. Nice Shit Male that Im going to treat tonight @ 750ppm as Chimera suggested in the early pages of the thread, but I will also treat one branch at 375ppm. Ethephon has quite the negative affect on foliage including defoliation when applied at too high of rates. Wish me luck!

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Im glad to see some resurgence in this thread lately. Its got me itching to do more testing with this PGR. Ive got a Mr. Nice Shit Male that Im going to treat tonight @ 750ppm as Chimera suggested in the early pages of the thread, but I will also treat one branch at 375ppm. Ethephon has quite the negative affect on foliage including defoliation when applied at too high of rates. Wish me luck!

1 mil per liter is the dose i used and it wanst that bad really.mistyped wanted to edit it but make sure people new i had initally written it wrong, its actually ten mililiters per liter of florel brand with 3.9% ethaphon leaves remained green but they did look a lil less than praying. they were a lil rough looking but no necrotic spotting or heavy discoloration. id say that there is room for a higher dose in their ability to endure the treatment. although it seemed quite effective and i think the only reason mine didnt work well is i let them cluster a bit before i started.it took a while to commence. it slowed down male flower growth very well and they seemed to do nothing for a while then one day i hadnt looked in a few days and was surprised to find them going off finally. and it didnt turn back around either. it kept going once it started to transform new growth to female flowers.

 

[Dave Coulier]

1 mil per liter is the dose i used and it wanst that bad really. leaves remained green but they did look a lil less than praying. they were a lil rough looking but no necrotic spotting or heavy discoloration. id say that there is room for a higher dose in their ability to endure the treatment. although it seemed quite effective and i think the only reason mine didnt work well is i let them cluster a bit before i started.it took a while to commence. it slowed down male flower growth very well and they seemed to do nothing for a while then one day i hadnt looked in a few days and was surprised to find them going off finally. and it didnt turn back around either. it kept going once it started to transform new growth to female flowers.

Hey Str8edge, Im using Florel @ 3.9 A.I. as well, so Ill give the 1ml/L a try at some point, although that is a lower PPM than I am currently using. If I did my math right, 18.7ml/L should be 750PPM, so 1ml/L is 40ppm. Im surprised to see such results from a low PPM. At that low of rate, I doubt we'll see much issues with leaves. Im glad to see such nice budding though with that rate.

Btw, I just downloaded a great app called PGR Mixer created by Brian Krug & Fine Americas to double check my math, and it appears Im on the money. I would recommend downloading it in case someone wants the app to do all the work for them

Im curious has anyone tried using Florel to initiate budding in females faster? Florel can be used to improve budding in Ornamental Bromeliads by as much as 7-10 days. Im gonna use some of my left over solutions to test a couple of branches on a female I recently moved to flower. Ill update in a few weeks on what occurs.

UPDATE: Upon further reading, Ive read Etephon can inhibit flowering in short-day plants. I think Ill treat just one branch, and see what occurs for personal experience. Ill report on what occurs regarding that branch in the future.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Update

Update

Well its been less than 48 hours since I applied the florel to the male in my veg room and he didn't like it very much at either application rate. The leaves all became droopy and curled as if badly over-watered. The two untreated branches are still healthy as could be. No collateral damage to be seen.

750PPM

375PPM

Untreated

375PPM Female in Flower

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

im sorry i have miswritten something. 10!!mils per liter not 1 lil per liter

 

[Dave Coulier]

im sorry i have miswritten something. 10!!mils per liter not 1 lil per liter

Thanks for the update. So you were working with 400PPM. That should be a safe level for most plants. I believe one factor that may have caused harm to mine is too high of DLI. Plants treated w/ Florel have greater absorption w/ less damage to foliage when they are shaded rather than in direct light.

The male I treated was placed directly under the center of my bank of HOT5's, while the female is on the edge of my lights footprint. Not to mention the difference in hours of light leading to a difference in DLI and potentially more harm. Something to be aware of next time I try this.

Has anyone experimented with root drenches of Florel? I know its effective as well, but at what rates?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Try not spraying the leaves, just spray where the sex organs will form.
-SamS

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Im going to give this a shot. so it sounds like starting a week or 2 before flower might be the best choice. and it wont take much spray if we are just spot spraying the flowering parts of the plant.

So is 400ppm or 750ppm the better alternative?

And how often should I spray? Every day, or ??

Also, how far to spray into flower? Do I keep going all the way till I chop them down?

Then finally, is it safe to smoke test the herb that has been treated?

Also curious if anybody has a successful root drench treatment?

 

[Dave Coulier]

Im going to give this a shot. so it sounds like starting a week or 2 before flower might be the best choice. and it wont take much spray if we are just spot spraying the flowering parts of the plant.

So is 400ppm or 750ppm the better alternative?

And how often should I spray? Every day, or ??

Also, how far to spray into flower? Do I keep going all the way till I chop them down?

Then finally, is it safe to smoke test the herb that has been treated?

Also curious if anybody has a successful root drench treatment?

Id suggest trying out both 400 & 750 and judge the results for yourself. Ive been procrastinating using Florel on a male Ive had around. I need a buddy to do this with to get me motivated . If you do it, Ill do it.

Spray once a week. Daily would be too often, and I think would lead to negative effects. Shoot for the sex organs like Sam says, but Im gonna try spot spraying a few leaves but keep them out of direct light and see how they respond. You'll need to continue to spray weekly during flower to continue the flowering response. If you stop treatments, they will revert back to normal.

Ive smoked the treated buds before. Im not sure if Sam has. I felt no ill effects from it, and I do believe Ethylene breaks down to a safe byproduct. It is used to ripen certain fruits.

 

[Limeygreen]

I can say safely that if you get the florel or etheral on the leaves you will get damage, if you rub or scratch pure florel or etheral on the base of the stem, about 1 inch or so, the whole plant with start to yellow.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Id suggest trying out both 400 & 750 and judge the results for yourself. Ive been procrastinating using Florel on a male Ive had around. I need a buddy to do this with to get me motivated . If you do it, Ill do it.

Spray once a week. Daily would be too often, and I think would lead to negative effects. Shoot for the sex organs like Sam says, but Im gonna try spot spraying a few leaves but keep them out of direct light and see how they respond. You'll need to continue to spray weekly during flower to continue the flowering response. If you stop treatments, they will revert back to normal.

Ive smoked the treated buds before. Im not sure if Sam has. I felt no ill effects from it, and I do believe Ethylene breaks down to a safe byproduct. It is used to ripen certain fruits.

I got the florel ordered. Gonna clean out a room and set it up with a 400w. Lets do it!

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

ok im back for a new reason.

mother of a cut i wish to keep was lost.in a gfci related cooling disaster.


it was a fucking shit show.

so the only back up i had was slated for chop a week or two later.
a member once mentioned that they used florel to reveg a plant.

i harvested the plant in question and left a few buds and lower leaves on.
he says spraying on revegging plants will make it reverse much faster.
anyone one done this?how many mils per gallon did you use? i figured id use the same dose as the one i used for males, but he made it sound as though it was much lower.

thanks everyone?

 

[Only Ornamental]

It certainly needs to be used at lower concentration than for sex reversing; literature implies 1 micromolar. Although ethylene is THE senescence hormone, the trick behind using ethylene (or Ethephon) for re-vegging fully flowered plants is that at the end of a plant's life cycle, ethylene production drops quickly and considerably. This is the main signal for plants to die and leaves to fall off in autumn.
Hence, you'd need a physiological concentration just high enough to make the plant believe that it's not yet time to pass away. I did play around a bit (but just a very little bit!) with ethylene and used it too late into flowering for sex reversal; what I've got was a somewhat accelerated senescence (compared to what I've expected, I used no control plant!).
Anyway, a slow drop in cytokinins precedes the drop in ethylene. Once cytokinins are fully down-regulated, ethylene is at it's peak (induces fruit ripening) before it rapidly drops. That's why cytokinins are regarded as THE youth hormones and and in theory (my small trial was too much of a fun experiment and did not really work, so I only tell you what's written in books, papers but also here on IC ) it works well to 'rejuvenate' old plants. An educated guess would be to combine low ethylene/Ethephon with medium to low amounts of cytokinins and/or low levels of auxins (medium to high auxin concentrations are contra-productive in this regard). This combination acts synergistic but also abrogates several undesirable effects of the three hormones (e.g. pro-senescence, sex-reversal, stretch), as has been shown with model organisms such as Thale cress.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

what if there are pollen sacks already presenting themselves before starting flowering when trying to reverse males? should I just try n remove them as I see them or will the treatment kill off the pollen sacks?

 

[Dave Coulier]

what if there are pollen sacks already presenting themselves before starting flowering when trying to reverse males? should I just try n remove them as I see them or will the treatment kill off the pollen sacks?

I would lean towards removing them now. IME, they will continue to develop, and release pollen ruining the female flowers you are trying to form. Well thats how it happened to me at least, but small flowers did still form. Just chock full of seeds.

 

[Tom Hill]

I think some folks are on the verge of professing terpenes are inherited in blocks if you will, in a fairly simple manner. The size of those blocks and simplicity of the manner will determine the value of these types of moves, they certainly take some extra time that is for sure,, still waiting to understand if it's worth it.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I think some folks are on the verge of professing terpenes are inherited in blocks if you will, in a fairly simple manner. The size of those blocks and simplicity of the manner will determine the value of these types of moves, they certainly take some extra time that is for sure,, still waiting to understand if it's worth it.

Do u mean that u don't know if u can tell anything from reversing the male plant to see what it smells n smokes like when breeding with it?

 

[Tom Hill]

What i mean is this: It is as of yet undetermined how simply various terpenoid profiles are inherited. and there is as of yet nigh a reason to believe there is as much correlation as we as breeders would like to see between parental inputs and offspring on these the most coveted of traits. After-all, macro cannabinoids have been proven to be inherited in quite the simple manner,,, There is not much left that explains why the plant breeds more like strawberry than corn - other than some seriously complicated modes of inheritance happening in the very heart of what this sidebar is off into...