Malawi x PCK
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DocPouceVert
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One of my friend bought some Malawi x PCK seed few month ago and now its starting to show some result !
deepwaterdude
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Hasty smoke report Malawi x PCK 2.5 months cure
Hasty smoke report Malawi x PCK 2.5 months cure
I'm talking about the girl in the post above, harvested late March alongside some serious hazes and Zamaldelica and OE. I tried a bit of her after harvest but her effect was literally lost in the Haze
OE was the other that needed time to express any quality alongside the heavy hitters, but both these plants produced very nicely and there's now something to talk about insofar as the high
This is a now a nice, smooth smoke without too much noticeable bouquet, with very light citrus fuel notes. Buds are fluffyish due to the trim. When I roll a joint, I cut the outer layer off with scissors, basically trimming as I go. The Malawi x PCK buds end up very nice this way, easily sweet bag appeal with its forest green and pink hues.
AS for the effect, we got mucho Malawi, I'm thinking. I'm pretty twitchy ATM after a good 3/4g spliff; have swept the floors and taken out the garbages, cleaned the cat litter boxes, ordered car parts, organized the laundry, returned phone calls, all the while with a bubble headed high, stoned eyes, and a pleasant, optimistic feeling. Not unintense.
Conclusion; this is great news, as my friends have really taken to the Zamaldelica and there's just a bit left Also, if I start with Panama HAze2 or Haze x KC, I'm pretty useless for the day, staring at walls and sh*t
I think my pals are gonna like his. dwd
Hasty smoke report Malawi x PCK 2.5 months cure
This is the plant posted a few weeks back, taken day 99 flo; in first pic march 22 she's the yellow one in the corner
Grown in 4 gal soil after rough start in coco.
I'm talking about the girl in the post above, harvested late March alongside some serious hazes and Zamaldelica and OE. I tried a bit of her after harvest but her effect was literally lost in the Haze
OE was the other that needed time to express any quality alongside the heavy hitters, but both these plants produced very nicely and there's now something to talk about insofar as the highThis is a now a nice, smooth smoke without too much noticeable bouquet, with very light citrus fuel notes. Buds are fluffyish due to the trim. When I roll a joint, I cut the outer layer off with scissors, basically trimming as I go. The Malawi x PCK buds end up very nice this way, easily sweet bag appeal with its forest green and pink hues.
AS for the effect, we got mucho Malawi, I'm thinking. I'm pretty twitchy ATM after a good 3/4g spliff; have swept the floors and taken out the garbages, cleaned the cat litter boxes, ordered car parts, organized the laundry, returned phone calls, all the while with a bubble headed high, stoned eyes, and a pleasant, optimistic feeling. Not unintense.
Conclusion; this is great news, as my friends have really taken to the Zamaldelica and there's just a bit left
Also, if I start with Panama HAze2 or Haze x KC, I'm pretty useless for the day, staring at walls and sh*t I think my pals are gonna like his. dwd
Purple Malawi/PCK # 47 x Nepal Jam, new hybrid being tested, flowering in a light dep since 23rd May, pics taken this week.
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I was looking at the description of the strain here and something leaves me perplexed so to speak...
How can you get 2 different phenotypes from a F1 Hybrid? That's just not possible, botanically speaking.
In farming, the reason why we use F1 variety (Cindel for example, the basic red tomato you find everywhere) is because they behave all the same at all time. Organic farming is my job so I know
So, unless you sell package with seeds from mixed parental phenotype selection, how can you get those different phenotype in the offspring?
How can you get 2 different phenotypes from a F1 Hybrid? That's just not possible, botanically speaking.
In farming, the reason why we use F1 variety (Cindel for example, the basic red tomato you find everywhere) is because they behave all the same at all time. Organic farming is my job so I know
So, unless you sell package with seeds from mixed parental phenotype selection, how can you get those different phenotype in the offspring?
I was looking at the description of the strain here and something leaves me perplexed so to speak...
How can you get 2 different phenotypes from a F1 Hybrid? That's just not possible, botanically speaking.
In farming, the reason why we use F1 variety (Cindel for example, the basic red tomato you find everywhere) is because they behave all the same at all time. Organic farming is my job so I know
So, unless you sell package with seeds from mixed parental phenotype selection, how can you get those different phenotype in the offspring?
not speaking for dubi and Ace's work, but for cannabis there is the potential to generate many phenos depending on the parents. I've had F1s where you could argue they were the same single pheno, I've had some "tight" crosses that generate two or three, and I've had each plant be it's own pheno. all from the same male hitting different females so it depends.
I think the part to remember is cannabis, especially breeding was mostly done underground. Ace is one of the best breeders for understanding pedigree, but usually you don't know what's in the genetic background like with my breeding. this is what primarily affects F1 phenos IMO, sometimes you'll hit something with hidden genes from an unknown parent. I would say most cannabis these days are similar to my male, a mutt of relatively unknown pedigree. using IBLs and good breeders makes it easier to get uniform F1s
Growing several Malawi x PCK this year. Both from standard and feminized seeds.
A standard in a very sunny spot. I've pulled it and staked it to keep it a bit lower and expose more of it to the sun.
This one from feminized seeds. Staked sideways again.
Standard seed. Top pulled and tied to the cage to encourage side branch growth. Not topped but it kind of looks like it.
Feminized seed. Pulled and staked but leaning directly away from the camera. Very consistent between all these, not much apparent pheno differences, yet anyway. True last year too.
A standard in a very sunny spot. I've pulled it and staked it to keep it a bit lower and expose more of it to the sun.
This one from feminized seeds. Staked sideways again.
Standard seed. Top pulled and tied to the cage to encourage side branch growth. Not topped but it kind of looks like it.
Feminized seed. Pulled and staked but leaning directly away from the camera. Very consistent between all these, not much apparent pheno differences, yet anyway. True last year too.
I guess it's because parental plants are not inbred too much.
Most plants I grown were F1's and I never had two almost identical plants like I see in hybrid tomatoes or hybrid lettuce.
To be honest it baffled me too but seems the inbreeding and thorough selection(+progeny testing) is key.
Cheers
Thank you guys for the explanations.
Using several males to pollinate one female will obviously not give stable offspring either anyway.
Too bad, I was looking for F1 for stability and not having to decide between different phenotypes, my 18/6 space not being that big (Mammoth Propagator 90)... I'll still get some though
Using several males to pollinate one female will obviously not give stable offspring either anyway.
Too bad, I was looking for F1 for stability and not having to decide between different phenotypes, my 18/6 space not being that big (Mammoth Propagator 90)... I'll still get some though
Burro Johnson
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will this be the last reproduction of malawi x pck in femenized format or will more become available?
Burro Johnson
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also are seeds made from old killer malawi still an option for femenized?
Temple Within
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I was looking at the description of the strain here and something leaves me perplexed so to speak...
How can you get 2 different phenotypes from a F1 Hybrid? That's just not possible, botanically speaking.
In farming, the reason why we use F1 variety (Cindel for example, the basic red tomato you find everywhere) is because they behave all the same at all time. Organic farming is my job so I know
So, unless you sell package with seeds from mixed parental phenotype selection, how can you get those different phenotype in the offspring?
That certainly is possible. The only time an F1 generation produces uniform off-spring is when the parents are stabilized. You're probably only used to seeing uniform F1's in your work because it would obviously be a terrible idea in farming to use non uniform genetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
I was looking at the description of the strain here and something leaves me perplexed so to speak...
How can you get 2 different phenotypes from a F1 Hybrid? That's just not possible, botanically speaking.
In farming, the reason why we use F1 variety (Cindel for example, the basic red tomato you find everywhere) is because they behave all the same at all time. Organic farming is my job so I know
So, unless you sell package with seeds from mixed parental phenotype selection, how can you get those different phenotype in the offspring?
Hi,
The reply is easy. Firstly, due to decades of prohibition the cannabis industry has not been able to produce the same degree of stabilization in commercial lines compared with the breeding of other vegetables like the tomato example you refer, which are and have always been legal for centuries without interruption.
Secondly, very rarely a F1 hybrid will be uniform for ALL the traits, most likely for many and for the most relevant ones for the grower, but not for all of them.
Pakistan Chitral Kush is a pure landrace indica hashplant, non hybridized, and although it's inbred, still has a great genetic diversity in its genepool, producing 2 main phenotypes regarding color: the purple/reddish and the green ones, although in the first generations we found PCK plants with every color you can imagine. Therefore, PCK crosses will still produce offspring which will have the potential to split in these 2 main phenos regarding pigmentation (except for Violeta which is very stable for the PCK purple pigmentation).
You are right, Malawi x PCK is probably not a perfect F1 (scientifically speaking), but it's closer to a real botanical F1 than any cross of 2 non related poly hybrids that you can find elsewhere.
Excellent musigny23
Indeed it's going to be super interesting to be able to compare the Malawi PCK regular version vs the feminized one in the same cycle and same growing conditions, looking very uniform so far
All the best!
Hi Burro Johnson,
Malawi x PCK is an ACE Seeds' catalog strain so it won't be discontinued, there are still around 100 packs of the regular version available, but only 6 packs left of the feminized version.
Once it is sould out the feminized version will be back in stock as soon as we can reproduce her again.
All the Malawi x PCK releases (regular and fem) have the Old Malawi Killer as mother, only a few growers that requested it through email got the New Killer Malawi as parental plant of the cross.
It says last pack available in the sticky stock topic, is it not up to date then?
Also, it says there is not PCK available anymore, but website says there are 2 left. Which one is true then?
Also, it says there is not PCK available anymore, but website says there are 2 left. Which one is true then?
