Major Earthquake In Japan Major Tsunamis

[Mountain]

Nope....

Thx...tells me what I needed to know.

 

[Mountain]

From a friend in Tokyo...

People in the northern areas are still difficult to spend everyday life.
They don't have water, gas, electricity or even medical things.
Tons of volanteers tried to go there.
However, going there is still very difficult...

We are still fine and safe in Tokyo.
Daily life is getting better.

We couldn't buy toilet paper, rice or cup noodle, so on.
Trains were always late.

We still have planned blackout somewhere in Tokyo.
It is difficult to buy bottled water here though.
Everybody wants to buy it for the near future.

 

[greenmatter]

From a friend in Tokyo...

wait a minute ... no panic,no little green men,no starvation,no riots and above all people volunteering to help.... sounds like they are trying to get things done ..... why would they do that when freaking out about the situation would get them nowhere?? hmmmmm


don't mean to be a buzzkill but if that shit happened on any coast in the u.s. i believe 75% of the people would lose their fuckin' minds. NOT because it would help (and they all know that) but just because it would be the easy thing to do. everyone is losing it so why should i stay calm???? LAME .... we got people freaking out about little or nothing ... i just don't get it

 

[Mountain]

wait a minute ... no panic,no little green men,no starvation,no riots and above all people volunteering to help.... sounds like they are trying to get things done ..... why would they do that when freaking out about the situation would get them nowhere?? hmmmmm

don't mean to be a buzzkill but if that shit happened on any coast in the u.s. i believe 75% of the people would lose their fuckin' minds. NOT because it would help (and they all know that) but just because it would be the easy thing to do. everyone is losing it so why should i stay calm???? LAME .... we got people freaking out about little or nothing ... i just don't get it

Totally different culture bro. I do agree if this happened in the US would be a very different story. Only peeps I see freaking out are on the forums...nobody I run into on the street is having any problems and virtually no one is even talking about it.

BTW the info from my friend I posted is real time...and you can see his English isn't great...lol. He was in Osaka when the quake/tsunami happened.

 

[greenmatter]

Totally different culture bro. I do agree if this happened in the US would be a very different story. Only peeps I see freaking out are on the forums...nobody I run into on the street is having any problems and virtually no one is even talking about it.

BTW the info from my friend I posted is real time...and you can see his English isn't great...lol. He was in Osaka when the quake/tsunami happened.

100% correct ... my bad

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

nothing....

unless you're:
A: an evangelical type (at which point the rapture has been postponed yet again due to lack of participants)
or
B: an alex jones type (at which point the rapture already happened and the government covered it up)

I read, I laughed... I cried. Then I read it again. It's brilliant. The post both puts to rest while simultaneously demonstrating the perpetual nature of conspiracy. This comment needs to be stickied so we may reflect in many regards of the t-den.

rapture postponed due to lack of participants.. priceless.

 

[seeyouaunty]

Imagine every household with its own mini nuclear boiler.

Instead of paying $50-$500 a month on electric you spend that amount ONCE a year on a nuclear rod the size of a flashlight.

Manage your nuclear waste properly and power your household and your electric/hybrid vehicle for a fraction of the cost.

Bolded text is the elephant in the room when it comes to nuclear power. Just how do you safely store something away from the environment for between 10,000 and 1,000,000 years? Who pays for it? Who looks after it? How many natural (and unnatural) disasters will the stored waste have to withstand over those 1,000,000 years?

What an unbelievable business model: Get a year or two production out of a uranium rod, then have to store it safely for 1,000,000 years after it stops making you money. Brilliant.

AFAIK no country has a nuclear disposal site!

 

[TruthOrLie]

Bolded text is the elephant in the room when it comes to nuclear power. Just how do you safely store something away from the environment for between 10,000 and 1,000,000 years? Who pays for it? Who looks after it? How many natural (and unnatural) disasters will the stored waste have to withstand over those 1,000,000 years?

What an unbelievable business model: Get a year or two production out of a uranium rod, then have to store it safely for 1,000,000 years after it stops making you money. Brilliant.

AFAIK no country has a nuclear disposal site!

AFAIK no country has a nuclear disposal site because they don't want you to know where that shit is being stored.

Nuclear material is at a warehouse near you, trust me.

When you drive on the highway late at night, or early in the morning, nuclear material shares the highway with you, trust me.

All you got to do with the material to keep it safe is put it back in the ground where it came from...

Its not rocket science folks.

Well, it is rocket science, but rocket science isn't as tough as they make it out to be, else we'd all be designing rockets.

 

[TruthOrLie]

AFAIK no country has a nuclear disposal site because they don't want you to know where that shit is being stored.

Nuclear material is at a warehouse near you, trust me.

When you drive on the highway late at night, or early in the morning, nuclear material shares the highway with you, trust me.

All you got to do with the material to keep it safe is put it back in the ground where it came from...

Its not rocket science folks.

Well, it is rocket science, but rocket science isn't as tough as they make it out to be, else we'd all be designing rockets...

...er, or nuclear sheds

 

[TruthOrLie]

seems like a bigger concern is getting toilet paper, rice and noodles rather than ducking and dodging nuclear fallout

 

[TruthOrLie]

Lets think about it.

Japan has active Volcanoes...

Japan got nuked by the USA...

USA has a base in Japan...

USA shared??? nuclear technologies with Japan as an experiment???

Where do you think they get their nuclear material from? The USA?

Does the USA activate all material to make it radioactive? And then send it across the Pacific on submarines and air craft carriers?

Or are they just dumping Mt. Fuji's guts into a couple turbines?

 

[seeyouaunty]

AFAIK no country has a nuclear disposal site because they don't want you to know where that shit is being stored.

Nuclear material is at a warehouse near you, trust me.

There is no final solution 1,000,000 year containment facility. A 'warehouse' is hardly going to last a million years is it now, so don't be silly.

When you drive on the highway late at night, or early in the morning, nuclear material shares the highway with you, trust me.

All you got to do with the material to keep it safe is put it back in the ground where it came from...

Its not rocket science folks.

Well, it is rocket science, but rocket science isn't as tough as they make it out to be, else we'd all be designing rockets.

Clearly you are not a geologist, which would be one area of science applicable here unlike 'Rocket Science'. The 1,000,000 year containment is a seriously difficult problem to solve, which is why it hasn't been solved yet.

Do you think human beings will even still be around in a million years? I don't think you are grasping how long a time period we are talking about.

 

[TruthOrLie]

There is no final solution 1,000,000 year containment facility. A 'warehouse' is hardly going to last a million years is it now, so don't be silly.



Clearly you are not a geologist, which would be one area of science applicable here unlike 'Rocket Science'. The 1,000,000 year containment is a seriously difficult problem to solve, which is why it hasn't been solved yet.

Do you think human beings will even still be around in a million years? I don't think you are grasping how long a time period we are talking about.

well since you're so smart, how did they figure it would take 1,000,000 years?

do they have data proving this, or is this just some random factoid spewed out by geologists paid by big oil companies so that we don't welcome a nuclear revolution into our homes?

Last time I checked, we just "figured out" this stuff about 100 years ago...

We sure do know a lot about nukes in a short time...

Or is it just some really hot lava?

Any geologists who can explain the fundamentals of what is radioactive material?

My assumption is that it is hot from being under so much pressure...

If you can stabilize the pressure you can harness the energy.

Pretty simple. (it really is rocket science, btw... except the spaceship doesn't go anywhere but in a circle, spun around by steam.............)

 

[TruthOrLie]

You heard about the cars powered by water that have been kept secret by the combustion engine patent holders, right?

Nuclear energy shed in your own home... would power a steam generator... which would store energy to fuel cells... which you could put in your electric vehicle...

and drive around all day powered by "water"

spent fuel rods would be transported to your local Costco from where it would be handled just like all nuclear material is handled today

 

[TruthOrLie]

The 2012 ban is understandable for this thread... but the idea of coming monumental change is totally applicable.

One day the people will wake up to the lies and see the truth...

Or the lies will win and the truth will be hidden forever.

Maybe 2012 is the turning point, where we as a global society decide we want to KNOW THE TRUTH

...or will we be satisfied believing lies, NOT KNOWING, and letting the next guy profit off our ignorance?

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PROPERTY FOR SALE:
Beach front, warm waters. Ocean access. Low price!


vs:

DO NOT LIVE HERE:
Tsunami danger zone.


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You don't got to be a real estate agent to recognize a clever scam.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Avatar - The Movie

Avatar - The Movie

There is a bunch of Unobtanium beneath a giant tree where people live.

A crippled marine assumes the identity of the tree dwellers and figures out how to destroy the tree.

After sharing his knowledge, he realizes the error in his ways, but its too late.

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Einstein figured out nuclear energy. It works on the principal of radiation.... energy radiates from a source, based on its mass multiplied by a constant (gravity... or pressure) squared.

Energy radiates from bananas. Light bulbs. People. The sun. Your television. Oil. Everything has potential energy to tap.

He didn't realize fools were gonna drop bombs.

We got meth addicts, crack heads, and suicide bombers... how could we safely have our own nuclear sheds?

...but they made meth in lab....

...they taught us how to cook crack on the internet...

...and suicide bombers come from fear and oppression...

perfection equation for endless profits... just let _them_ handle the tricky stuff, right?

we'll all just keep competing for beach front real estate

 

[igrowone]

the current storage solution(from what i can see) is the 'cask system'
spend fuel rods/highly radioactive waste is placed in steel reinforced concrete casks at the reactor site
that looks to be the plan for quite a while, kind of side steps transportation of the waste, which is very politically unpopular
but much of this waste is simply an opportunity in disguise
it would be excellent fuel for certain reactor designs(i.e. molten salt for example)
we're dealing with a legacy technology here, the light water reactor
this is the same fundamental technology that was used during world war II
much better could be done, but will it ever happen? i don't know

 

[TruthOrLie]

You can't handle this in your back yard... but the man with the tweezers can do it all for you. Just pay him six figures a year.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_water_reactor

a nuclear fuel pellet

japan should be selling suits made out of whatever material made those gloves?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

There is no final solution 1,000,000 year containment facility. A 'warehouse' is hardly going to last a million years is it now, so don't be silly.

CNN interviewed a Chernobyl spokesperson about that very possibility. They imposed a digital image of a concrete eggshell over the damaged reactor and existing tomb. When asked if the new tomb could last a million years, the spokesperson said only if it could be maintained that long.

I don't know where CNN got a million years, unless that's an approximation of contamination. I'm with ya on the million year thing. A million years might be a bad component in the human equation, lol.

 

[Mountain]

You can't handle this in your back yard... but the man with the tweezers can do it all for you. Just pay him six figures a year.

a nuclear fuel pellet

japan should be selling suits made out of whatever material made those gloves?

I highly doubt that guy is handling plutonium based fuel and more likely uranium?

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Six times, Sergei Belyakov says, he has been through the doorway to hell and back. The Ukrainian-American was a volunteer "jumper" who helped clean up after the nuclear disaster in the town of Chernobyl in the former Soviet Union in April, 1986. These are people who jump into a radioactive area to clear debris or mend pipes and run to safety before radiation reaches lethal levels.

Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) is trying to get jumpers -- reportedly for $5,000 (£3,102.50) a day -- to bring its damaged nuclear power plant in northern Japan under control after it was severely damaged by last month's earthquake and tsunami, the world's worst nuclear crisis since Chernobyl.

Six times during his 40-day tenure at Chernobyl, Belyakov was one of the hundreds crouching in the covered stairway leading to the roof of nuclear reactors 3 and 4. Outside, radioactivity was so high that it could kill within minutes.

"It was the doorway to hell," he told Reuters, recalling events of 25 years ago. "Right at the door there was an elaborate and professionally done drawing on the wall, like a fresco, which showed you the roof in 3-D. "The guy (at the door) tells you, you go here, you do this, you go around this, this ladder is not good so don't go there because you may fall with it. You mentally imprint what you need to do, you follow that. Then you run."

He would hack away at highly toxic asphalt on the roof and toss it down to be buried, but for a very limited time. The longest he spent on the roof was two minutes, the shortest between 30-40 seconds.

"The guy yells (to) you or you have your own judgement (to come back). Once you are done, you go down. There were 700-900 people collected on that staircase. It was a moving, never-ending chain of people."

Now 55 and a U.S. citizen, Belyakov is a scientist working in Singapore for research group Albany Molecular Research Inc. But he says those days in 1986 are seared in his mind. The first time on the roof, he said, was the worst. "The goggles were sweaty and I perhaps lost 10 pounds just in these few moments because it was completely a shocking experience."

Belyakov was an associate professor at a Ukrainian university in 1986. He first sensed something was wrong at Chernobyl while he was on a fishing holiday and noticed that water levels in the Dnipro River were plummeting, a sign that dams upstream had been closed.

It was weeks before Soviet authorities acknowledged the gravity of the crisis. Belyakov, also an army reservist who had been trained in chemical warfare defence, volunteered to help despite his wife's objections.

"She wasn't happy obviously, but I put my foot down. I did not expect the scale of what I am going to experience. If I knew that in advance, I perhaps would think twice.

He was called up in July, and sent to Chernobyl. He would spend 23 shifts at the plant itself, protected only by lead sheets below waist level at the front and the back. Other gear include heavy gloves and respirators, but these could not protect against radioactivity.

Workers had to leave when they were exposed to 2 Roentgen of radiation per day, about 240 millisieverts. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says a dose of 500 millisieverts would cause nausea and 1,000 would cause haemorrhage.

After sustaining 25 Roentgen of radiation, the Chernobyl workers were sent home. Many have since died prematurely. Belyakov says he knows of at least five other men who worked there who died within 10 years.

But as many of them reach their mid-50s, it is hard to isolate the Chernobyl radiation as a cause of death, he said. "I was blessed perhaps," Belyakov says. He was ill for several months, but shows no visible signs now and is a keen basketball player.

"The action of radiation on a living organism is extremely different -- there are people who can sustain that very well, unfortunately there are people who get just a pinch of what a normal human being would get and it would be lethal."

Belyakov shrugged off comments about personal bravery.
"You do it step by step," he said.

"You break down your task -- I have to make 100 steps to the ladder, then I have to climb through the ladder, then I have to make 70 steps right side, then I have to make three or four cuts of that asphalt, then I have to grab a shovel, collect the pieces and toss it out. "You kind of break your task into small details. And each small task doesn't look that scary."

Belyakov did not get much for his heroics. "There was enough for us to buy an 18 day long travel trip to India," he said. "It was our first trip abroad. It was fascinating, I still cherish it. Asked if he had any advice for those considering similar work at the Fukushima plant in Japan, he said: "Being brave doesn't mean that it comes from your nature.

"It comes from your logic, it comes from your good mind and ability to analyse your situation and make sound decisions. As long as you are capable of sustaining the pressure and sustaining the fear, you can do pretty much whatever you want.

"I can eat pressure for breakfast."