MadMac's haze and haze hybrid's grow & show

[bigherb]

hello,
well while the OHz are ripening...
i'll have two strong catpiss pheno's ...

OHz Golli catpiss
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M.

Mac

Blessings brother , I see you’re Busy at Work . That Science contraption is incredible , I’m excited to see your future dialed in Results

Some Gorgeous Ladies Wild Ladies both of them

Soo this Catpiss Trait is present in Goli’s 90’s Haze

I’m very interested to see how these catpiss phenos finishes and smokes , Please keep us posted brother

I’m hoping you can give us a Breakdown on the Haze you’ve grown in the last Years Taste n Effects


You’ve Worked with Many Different
Original Haze lines
Goli 90’s / JC Seedsman / Tom Hill - Posi Haze / The Flying Dutchman / Sams private

For Example

Tom Hill Haze is Described as Thai - Metal citrus

Seedman as Colombian - Grains of paradise pepper

Goli 90’s as Colombian - fruity sweet Etc

Can you please share your Experiences Briefly

The Incense Trait is common Amongst all the Original Haze offerings to varying degrees, What’s Your thoughts on this Trait and which line/Stock is it most Common Among ?

Much Respect

1luvbigherb

 

[MadMac]

Soo this Catpiss Trait is present in Goli’s 90’s Haze

YES! ... wasn't sure first run... because was soo mixed and away from home...
now i'll have the two most stinky haze in living room and it smells strong very very strong...
i'll had it with THH before ... but not OHz ...
yes also curious how it smokes...

You’ve Worked with Many Different
Original Haze lines
Goli 90’s / JC Seedsman / Tom Hill - Posi Haze / The Flying Dutchman / Sams private

you name it ;-)

Tom Hill Haze is Described as Thai - Metal citrus

yes but only one real metal citrus ... the lime green thai looking with dreads...
catpiss many and floral smell that the purple had...

Seedman as Colombian - Grains of paradise pepper

don't know really but now looking back... i'll bet the seeds are made by a small selection of the OHz...
hence the smaller amount of pheno's but many good as few reported... did not had a catpiss pheno there but also not so many seeds (5) soo will see ... have a pack for repro later this year... wish i'll had more ...
Grains of paradise pepper is found in booth Golli & Johnny's Seedsman...

Goli 90’s as Colombian - fruity sweet Etc

Yes and i'm also little surprised ... they grow each time different...
there is more variation in Golli's line... would say wilder...
you have this typical C.Gold looking, Punto Rojo, and if it is Santa Marta ...
i've grow C.Gold 70 and Punto Rojo before i'll got the haze... also Kerala...
got the SMG x SMC from Led05 ... and by look and feel...
found similarities in Golli's line as well ... but NO purple @ all
don't know where it was gone... outcrossed by accident?
anyhow... don't like purple @ all... never ever had any good purple compared to green...
eyecandy ... but that's all ... floral like old woman perfume ... no way for me...
have still 12 beans from Basilian Seed Co from SMG ... but as he told me not viable anymore...
but will use my tricks to get life into the beans ... bean cracker helps ... ;-)
brought the old Thai Stick from Gypsy also to life... only Zamal failed ...
so the C.Gold has more this Grain of Paradise or Vick Vapo Rub smell...
Kerala had it too but more metallic ... the P.R. had also this kind of fruity and metallic with strong pine overtone.. C.Black is more woody like Malawi for example...
the best OHz i'll had did not smell until week 10 or so... before little soupy ...
and only last 3-4 weeks it really build up smell & bud... the slowest flowering but greatest high...

The Incense Trait is common Amongst all the Original Haze offerings to varying degrees, What’s Your thoughts on this Trait and which line/Stock is it most Common Among ?

a good question....
would say so far it's found in all haze lines...
but not common...
also i'll did not recon' until my wife and friends said it...
if you smoke it ... you don't smell it like that...
but if you come in a room where someone smoked the haze before...
it often smells like that...
think it has also to do with how it was grown...
for example the dutch weed you can buy in amsterdam ...
if you smoke it it smells always strong weedy'
if i'll grow those same strains it smells totally different...
organic vis mineral ... fertilizer gives taste and smell...
but no higher THC or better high...
if you really want strong church incense ...
buy 2 packs of Super Silver Haze from geenhouse co ... still good!
grow them out and i'm sure you will find more than one strong incense pheno...
the question is always how is the high...
and only OHz gives me this euphoric positive energy with no come down...
also no bad morning after a hard session...
had this feeling only from thai stick in the 90' ...
to me ... those Thai, Kerala and OHz gave to date the best high...
and OHz is the queen for me... easier and better yield indoors...
i'll have 3 Kerala and 3 Lao's also coming... will see and show ;-)

much much more....
in 4 weeks when they are in the mid phase i'll can tell more about those pheno's ..
this run i'll just wonder about Biobizz light mix... still too hot for da haze...
soon i'll have my living soil ready... but it need some time ...
i'll had it all working perfect before i'll had to clean the house...
but i'll never give up ;-)
M.

p.S. some great stoner rock:

 

[flower~power]

I know its a touchy subject because I’ve seen fire go back and forth, but Johnnny Seedsman versions selections was the clearest and purest and trippy that I’ve tasted so far and to be honest > I have not grown any of Mac pure haze…Macs Doors X was awesome & Wally’s X is a head twister …Maha made a trophy it’s my #1 go to …

 

[flower~power]

Patiently waiting for TomHill

 

[bigherb]

MadMac

I Appreciate such Great Details. I throughly enjoy when you give such descriptive post . Much Great information


Soo interesting to hear about the diversity in Tom Hills Haze . As well as Golis 90’s , it seems the open pollination saved many genes .

The Purple Haze was common in the 70’s but must not have been bred exclusively/ worked .If I recall Sams says it was basically extinct in the 80’s

Also If I recall Mt Nectar saying His crew worked a Purple Haze line maybe from corralitos , but he hasn’t found that Quality of the 70’s in Todays lines , maybe he can share more

Johnny Chicago, is an Incense Lover and it seems to be strongly present in the Seedsman work . But he doesn’t post much on this subject lately , Soo I’m curious your opinions. You are the Best source of information who post on these lines . Sams has never used the term Incense lol maybe one day


You say the incense is present in the Aromas in the Room after smoking , well what do those phenos actually taste like ?

The incense Trait ,is part of my heart . The Gold Original Haze pheno of the 70’s was reportedly catpiss sandlewood. I’m curious just how present this gold phenos is in those Haze lines ?

I Grew up on incense and catpiss and the debate has long been it’s the NL5 x Hz combination that brings the mystical Church to life . I’m hoping to find it in the Original Haze offerings , curious about your findings and thoughts ?

I love the work you did with the Thai kerala n Colombians . In the future Id like to do the same with the Lumbos I have .

Red rider is working a Santa Marta that is Beautiful and extremely long flowering. With legalization in worldwide motion . Might be some Great opportunities in the future to rediscover old lines n add some to the Haze


What do you Suggest to look for and what traits have been common in the Original Haze repro mix ? Metal - incense pearl pheno - foxtail pheno


Soo just biobizz light is too hot ?

I understand the longest flowering are thought to be the best quality . What’s considered early flowering if one wishes to cull the early phenos ? Or shall I ask

If one wishes to Discard all early flowering haze
How many weeks into 11/13 would you suggest to cull the earliest that start to flower

Also what traits to look out for that are signs of quality ?

I see tri leaf , I see fuzzy stem , I see extremely thin leaf first sets of leaf

I’m thankful for your endless efforts and hard work you’ve spread and shared far and wide

I love every post even though I don’t respond or quote . Things have changed at IC , But You are one of the Reasons I still love to be here

Much Respect

1luvbigherb

 

[MadMac]

I know its a touchy subject because I’ve seen fire go back and forth, but Johnnny Seedsman versions selections was the clearest and purest and trippy that I’ve tasted so far and to be honest > I have not grown any of Mac pure haze…Macs Doors X was awesome

end of year my first Golli OHz selection release will be ready...
i'll sent you some ... if you want or not haha
you are always honest to me ... what i'll really like !
M.

 

[MadMac]

Patiently waiting for TomHill

yep... here too hehe
i'm soooo curious what comes out...
think next year same time we see first results...
and can compare
but until than lot's of water is flowing down the river...
and hopefully a bigger palette of haze is out to compare.
i'll do my best too hehe ... love competition with Tom only
ahh cant wait.... can you imagine...
M.

 

[MadMac]

I Appreciate such Great Details. I throughly enjoy when you give such descriptive post . Much Great information

ha ... many thx for da flowers ...
but so many questions from so little answers haha ...
i'll know'ed it ... that i'll opened a warehouse with the answers ;-)

Soo interesting to hear about the diversity in Tom Hills Haze . As well as Golis 90’s , it seems the open pollination saved many genes .

yes ... also Tom's method of breeding... like use pollen from first generation on generation 6,7,8 etc...

The Purple Haze was common in the 70’s but must not have been bred exclusively/ worked .If I recall Sams says it was basically extinct in the 80’s

yes in my memos is noted the same... ;-)

Also If I recall Mt Nectar saying His crew worked a Purple Haze line maybe from corralitos , but he hasn’t found that Quality of the 70’s in Todays lines , maybe he can share more

me think that was the oldtimer line....

You say the incense is present in the Aromas in the Room after smoking , well what do those phenos actually taste like ?

good question... hard to describe... i'll smoke with little tobacco ...
it is really soft smoke... no intake problem... no caught ...
taste is kind of citrus metallic piney if that makes sense...
metal taste is clear there ...

The incense Trait ,is part of my heart . The Gold Original Haze pheno of the 70’s was reportedly catpiss sandlewood. I’m curious just how present this gold phenos is in those Haze lines ?

hmmm hard to say... not much in THH ... more in Seedsman by look from other growers and in the Golli line ... Golli line is like 50% those lime green with normal budding like we see in old C.Gold pic's ... in TFD and SamS' last ... don't know really ... not yet ;-)
got also Haze19 x TFD OHz ... crossed it with my best THH male... but all untested ...

I Grew up on incense and catpiss and the debate has long been it’s the NL5 x Hz combination that brings the mystical Church to life . I’m hoping to find it in the Original Haze offerings , curious about your findings and thoughts ?

yep will report ... but i'm not surprised by catpiss ... many said it's very good ... eg Reeeferman

I love the work you did with the Thai kerala n Colombians . In the future Id like to do the same with the Lumbos I have .

yep do... those Lumbos and Landrace eg old line still have lot's of unseen potential...
and crossing to haze gave most new life and better as there parents... confirmed ...
my haze male... did the best job till now... hard to find and thx to SamS ... i'll could identify him... and two more i'll keep... also the one Seedsman male... but he intersex very quick like @funkyhorse also noted...

Red rider is working a Santa Marta that is Beautiful and extremely long flowering. With legalization in worldwide motion . Might be some Great opportunities in the future to rediscover old lines n add some to the Haze
What to look for and what traits have been common in the Original Haze repro mix ? Metal - incense pearl pheno - foxtail pheno

yep you named it... from normal to pearls on string and inbetween... see pic's
and Vic Vaporub, Metal, paint, pine, citrus, catpiss smells
uhhh would love to get some beans if possible from Red rider... maybe you can connect us?
would love to try ... because it works sooo well ... and than bx to the haze ... and bam!

Also what traits to look out for that are signs of quality ?

see the pic's ... there are two i'm looking for after smoke test all...

Soo just biobizz light is too hot ?

YES :-( ... need to be mixed with very light seedling soil and perlite...
... my own was much better... but it needs also a run ... than the soil is better...
use it with roots and recycle with living soil... and bam... never buy soil again...
wormcast is also good... and micro organism...
prefer soil bed because plants talk and all have more rootspace...

I understand the longest flowering are thought to be the best quality . What’s considered early flowering if one wishes to cull the early phenos ?

those who start earliest to flower after switch... those who have no resin on leaf's .. see pic's ;-)

I’m thankful for your endless efforts and hard work you’ve spread and shared far and wide

I love every post even though I don’t respond or quote . Things have changed at IC , But You are one of the Reasons I still love to be here

your welcome my friend!
stay plz... my new garden just start's ...
i’m saving you a seat in my future, just in case you want to be part of the journey ;-)

now let the pic's speak:
those are my fav's... high first than structure and yield... flower 16-18 ... see the leaf's

this is typical Golli pheno... love to stretch when over 25°C and @ end .. bud' only... few leaf's...

but abnormal resin production already in early stage like all Golli have... not all Seedsman not all THH had it... see stem... you can smoke the complete plant... or make Rosin or bubble hash with the trim (stems)

another fav... you already notice the green & structure... bud's onset...

another gem...

and the queen ... she kicks ass ... makes strong horny and hungy and very very happy ... best viagra... will self her ... she has a sister but not 100% like this girl... this one was Sam's fav too from look and description... she is like the old OHz when it had the full vigor and bigger buds... 18 weeks from cut... but the high and yield etc is worth every week... my friend is a famous int. actor .. and it's also his fav... he is now around 60... my other is musician... also famous and 76 now... it's his girl too...

here another catpiss ... looks like THH too...

another .. see structure... ... but high from the two above was amazing... they sweating resin already

and voilla my fav THH in my own soil... first test... but looks very good... think hit the nail...

It is not an art to seduce a girl, but it is a luck to find one worth seducing.

Time is the most valuable thing we have…
don’t waste it....
haze love
M.

 

[MadMac]

the one and only... haha
M.

 

[MadMac]

well i'm sure to do the same i'll did with 4 x 4 OHz .. or R4 4 best x 4 best reversed...
but this time with a better selection and more plants...
it was just a test and i'll included for example the pearls on string pheno..
and it showed up... and the better pheno's too ... with same characteristics...
all i'll did before was to learn and get a idea only about the haze...
how it behaves .. use male ore a girl... or better find a good male... find a good girl is easy ... very very easy... but a boy... ohhh dude... a long long road... most do reversing these day's ...
but i'll also plan to use the 3 boy's .. need to test the other two before and than use all best from the best after smoke test and pollinate them with all 3 boy's ...
that's to keep it pure ...
bet girls x best girls reversed and best girls x best boy's ....
but than or parallel cross to landrace (SMG, Thai, S.India)....
and than bx to the haze... that what Sam and others not did...
and that makes the difference as you saw in the other bud pictures with the resin...
i'm sure i'll get it all back if i'll can get my hands on the original plants used...
Punto Rojo works also very good but hmmm too long flower time... eg 20 weeks +
so much more to discover... but the bx is the key...
don't know if reverse or use male maybe different ...
but will do booth...
M.

 

[MadMac]

ahh forgot...
@flower~power
Silver Bubble x OHz S1 ...
i'll think i've sent those to you...
if possible ... plz plz grow next...
just heard from a friend those are killer...
Silver Bubble »»» {Northern Lights x Skunk} x Haze
and the cross with OHz produces pure incense... @bigherb
need to pop some beans too... not many make... and most shared....
but still have the girl
so can repeat...
thx
M.

 

[Koondense]

Hey MadMac, I was just about to ask you which of your creations would you recommend or want people to grow...
Can pick from OH R4, Haze1 x Doors, OH6 x SilverBud and LieuHahn x OH... Or THH?
By the way, OH R4 are fems?
If yes then we have the winner

Cheers

 

[MadMac]

Hey MadMac, I was just about to ask you which of your creations would you recommend or want people to grow...
Can pick from OH R4, Haze1 x Doors, OH6 x SilverBud and LieuHahn x OH... Or THH?
By the way, OH R4 are fems?
If yes then we have the winner

Cheers

OH R4 should be fem... can be possible that a male pollen hit one.... but not heard about...
yes you get a killer doesn't matter which pheno
and ohhh forgot...
OHz Golli 1 x Doors is killer... OHz 1 is my keeper
OHz Golli 6 x SilverBud ... OHz 6 keeper too... regret to killed the SB male... was a great one...
LieuHahn x OHz ... yes need to check out too... the best 3 girls from that repro x my fav OHz male...
damn totally forgot about ... should be a creeper haha
ähm grow them all... i'll bet every girl or male are good...
short story...
while i'll did Silver Bubble, C.Black, SMGXSMC, A5, Doors etc... at that time ...
i'll found a few good males in Doors & Silver Bubble...
Fem’s 2020 reversed OHz R4
1. Nepal Sativa
2. Crockets Haze
3. NL#5 x Oax ***
4. A5 Hz 2 x ***
5. Behound the brain
6. Satori
7. Mandala #1
8. Columbian Black ***
9. SMG x SMC ***
10. Tangie 2 x ***
11. Silver Bubble ***
12. Sk#1 tri 2 x ***
13. Bubba OHz
14. SMG x Ohz
15. OHz (best) ***
16. KrK C99 auto

Extra ... best OHz Girls 10, 15, 16
1. OHz x Silver Bubble ***
2. OHz x Doors ***
3. OHz x Columbian Black ***
4. SWS/UEL x OHz x Silver Bubble

your choice... all are good ... OHz R4 is killer you know it already ;-)
just a few left for me... but can and do repeat ...
thx
M.

 

[flower~power]

ahh forgot...
@flower~power
Silver Bubble x OHz S1 ...
i'll think i've sent those to you...
if possible ... plz plz grow next...
just heard from a friend those are killer...
Silver Bubble »»» {Northern Lights x Skunk} x Haze
and the cross with OHz produces pure incense... @bigherb
need to pop some beans too... not many make... and most shared....
but still have the girl
so can repeat...
thx
M.

Thanks for the tip let me look

 

[Hammerhead]

@MadMac the Golli OH was made from Golli selections of OH?. OH Golli vs other OH differences?.

 

[bigherb]

ha ... many thx for da flowers ...
but so many questions from so little answers haha ...
i'll know'ed it ... that i'll opened a warehouse with the answers ;-)

Respect is not Given it’s Earned and you have Done more than Most in Reguards to Original Haze Projects 🫡

The Great Details just Keep on coming , Don’t stop Now brother

Priceless Haze information only begets more Haze questions in the Mind of Haze lover

yes ... also Tom's method of breeding... like use pollen from first generation on generation 6,7,8 etc...

I like this Method seems a Great preservation tactic

But I love your Method of Selecting The Best and pollinating
using Queens and Reversing to Males and Crossing Back to the Queens and using different Haze lines in the mix

Seems quite successful and opposite of the idea inbreeding Haze only Makes it Worse

yes in my memos is noted the same... ;-)

me think that was the oldtimer line....

Your Recollection is Same as mine I believe he Ran Purple Old timers Haze

good question... hard to describe... i'll smoke with little tobacco ...
it is really soft smoke... no intake problem... no caught ...
taste is kind of citrus metallic piney if that makes sense...
metal taste is clear there ...

That’s what I wanted to hear , Very Exciting the combination along with incense

hmmm hard to say... not much in THH ... more in Seedsman by look from other growers and in the Golli line ... Golli line is like 50% those lime green with normal budding like we see in old C.Gold pic's ... in TFD and SamS' last ... don't know really ... not yet ;-)
got also Haze19 x TFD OHz ... crossed it with my best THH male... but all untested ...

yep will report ... but i'm not surprised by catpiss ... many said it's very good ... eg Reeeferman

Soo it’s interesting to me to confirm specific traits within the Original Haze lines that were common in Nevils Haze Hybrids .

It makes clear which parent contributed what traits

Soo it seems The Original Haze lines - are Colombian Dom with the exception of Tom and Nevils work

yep do... those Lumbos and Landrace eg old line still have lot's of unseen potential...
and crossing to haze gave most new life and better as there parents... confirmed ...
my haze male... did the best job till now... hard to find and thx to SamS ... i'll could identify him... and two more i'll keep... also the one Seedsman male... but he intersex very quick like @funkyhorse also noted...

That’s Great insight and a path that most breeders (if we dare call them that) or seed company’s do not explore today . Most just cross elites to so called elites . No Seed popping /digging in IBL’s or NLD lines

yep you named it... from normal to pearls on string and inbetween... see pic's
and Vic Vaporub, Metal, paint, pine, citrus, catpiss smells

Well 20 seeds were just popped 19 of 20 should make it . Paint - pain thinner - acetone - nail polish is a trait I associate with some of the Better haze I’ve experienced but a Rare one .

Those traits get me excited and make me Smile , some added Incense will top the cake for me


Madmac
(uhhh would love to get some beans if possible from Red rider... maybe you can connect us?)

There is only Good word to speak of you , while I don’t have personal Relations with Red rider . I admire and Respect him , I’ll mention your interest and maybe peak your interest

RR had a bed n breakfast idea not sure how setup it is . But my Girlfriend is Colombian and we’ll visit again sometime next year ( hopefully Haze 4 days from boneyard was grown out n pollinated , I know seeds arrived safely there ) . You like to Travel maybe we can meet with RR in Colombia

would love to try ... because it works sooo well ... and than bx to the haze ... and bam!

see the pic's ... there are two i'm looking for after smoke test all...

YES :-( ... need to be mixed with very light seedling soil and perlite...
... my own was much better... but it needs also a run ... than the soil is better...
use it with roots and recycle with living soil... and bam... never buy soil again...
wormcast is also good... and micro organism...
prefer soil bed because plants talk and all have more rootspace...

I appreciate all your input and suggestions.

Thanks for some of the Ingredient , Living Soil Beds is the first step to making Magic . Low nitrogen and calcium to start I see suggested

those who start earliest to flower after switch... those who have no resin on leaf's .. see pic's ;-)

Soo that’s the plan , execution will be Done by way of Early Sex and not Putting out . Sounds like a Love affair from the beginning

your welcome my friend!
stay plz... my new garden just start's ...
i’m saving you a seat in my future, just in case you want to be part of the journey ;-)

My Brother Haze is a life Style , Haze 4 Days been my motto since 04 ish

My Brother I’m thankful you’d hold a Seat , that Kind Gesture touches my Heart

I’m Rocking with you Too Infinity and Beyond, Let’s Make this Haze Fire Burn Eternally

now let the pic's speak:
those are my fav's... high first than structure and yield... flower 16-18 ... see the leaf's
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this is typical Golli pheno... love to stretch when over 25°C and @ end .. bud' only... few leaf's...
View attachment 18840883
but abnormal resin production already in early stage like all Golli have... not all Seedsman not all THH had it... see stem... you can smoke the complete plant... or make Rosin or bubble hash with the trim (stems)
View attachment 18840884

Gorgeous, Thanks for sharing what to look for and expect .

another fav... you already notice the green & structure... bud's onset...
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another gem...
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and the queen ... she kicks ass ... makes strong horny and hungy and very very happy ... best viagra... will self her ... she has a sister but not 100% like this girl... this one was Sam's fav too from look and description... she is like the old OHz when it had the full vigor and bigger buds... 18 weeks from cut... but the high and yield etc is worth every week... my friend is a famous int. actor .. and it's also his fav... he is now around 60... my other is musician... also famous and 76 now... it's his girl too...
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I understand Now why she is Titled Queen

Those Effects are Highly Desired , Sounds like the Start to my Morning on a Day off

What’s she Taste like ?

here another catpiss ... looks like THH too...
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another .. see structure... ... but high from the two above was amazing... they sweating resin already
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and voilla my fav THH in my own soil... first test... but looks very good... think hit the nail...
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It is not an art to seduce a girl, but it is a luck to find one worth seducing.

Time is the most valuable thing we have…
don’t waste it....
haze love
M.

Your Last Two Lines are Golden

Those are Gems of Life and Gardening , We should live by

Much Respect

1luvbigherb

 

[MadMac]

@MadMac the Golli OH was made from Golli selections of OH?. OH Golli vs other OH differences?.

yes like that... after the second seed making i#ll noticed the same great girls that i'll used for the crosses like you got... found two great NHz males... in the 18 plants... and 2 girls i'll used... one lime green and one darker... the Golli selections are still the same... only let one girl go after third grow and smoke test...

from first OHz repro run with 16 Golli & 5 Johnny Seedsman i'll keep 6 in total ... 4 Golli girls, 1 boy(my fav), and the Seedsman boy... (instable but resin flowers) ...
from second Golli run (20) i'll keep 9 in total... 8 girls and two males...

those best first selected are still my fav's and not much have changed...
this grow i'll do now is just for confirmation and selecting the final queens from the best...
like reduce to the max

the OHz differences are like i'll told in the other post...
Seedsman is more inbreed i'll guess
Golli is wilder... earlier when Sam still had all his OHz cut's..
later he reduced... and lost interest because nobody was interested in pure haze...
much later (around 2000) when all noticed uhhh all those crosses with da haze where amazing...
it was to late... those males where lost and the cut's like haze19 too and all other...
nobody had really the idea to keep those cut's safe... because of knowledge...
ahh we have enough F1's seeds... no need anymore to keep cut's ... too much work...
but later everyone notice that the high was different... F1 vs F3+
F1's are those we want to smoke...
M.

 

[AlphaGardens]

I know its a touchy subject because I’ve seen fire go back and forth, but Johnnny Seedsman versions selections was the clearest and purest and trippy that I’ve tasted so far and to be honest > I have not grown any of Mac pure haze…Macs Doors X was awesome & Wally’s X is a head twister …Maha made a trophy it’s my #1 go to …

Are you SC jedi?

 

[AlphaGardens]

2 Koh chang/thai stick X THH on the right and 2 directly Sourced African jungle sativa, locals called the 2 phenos, queen and king of Namibia, on the left..
Ones in the raised beds are old auto lines i bred years ago, 12 total. Early harvest outdoor is nice.

Also have a whole other plot of photos which include my old line Thai kwon Dro aka Hippie dropper....greengenes 79 maui/nigerian/the 7.
And some 88 g13/hindu kush IBL

 

[Hammerhead]

yes like that... after the second seed making i#ll noticed the same great girls that i'll used for the crosses like you got... found two great NHz males... in the 18 plants... and 2 girls i'll used... one lime green and one darker... the Golli selections are still the same... only let one girl go after third grow and smoke test...

from first OHz repro run with 16 Golli & 5 Johnny Seedsman i'll keep 6 in total ... 4 Golli girls, 1 boy(my fav), and the Seedsman boy... (instable but resin flowers) ...
from second Golli run (20) i'll keep 9 in total... 8 girls and two males...

those best first selected are still my fav's and not much have changed...
this grow i'll do now is just for confirmation and selecting the final queens from the best...
like reduce to the max

the OHz differences are like i'll told in the other post...
Seedsman is more inbreed i'll guess
Golli is wilder... earlier when Sam still had all his OHz cut's..
later he reduced... and lost interest because nobody was interested in pure haze...
much later (around 2000) when all noticed uhhh all those crosses with da haze where amazing...
it was to late... those males where lost and the cut's like haze19 too and all other...
nobody had really the idea to keep those cut's safe... because of knowledge...
ahh we have enough F1's seeds... no need anymore to keep cut's ... too much work...
but later everyone notice that the high was different... F1 vs F3+
F1's are those we want to smoke...
M.

AWESOME, Thanks for the info.. I love the terps on the NHxOH golli plants. Spicy, musky, metallic aroma.. Looking forward to see what I find in the OH Golli