MadMac's haze and haze hybrid's grow & show

[MadMac]

What is Mauve?
Thank you very much for your work and generosity.

that's a good good question...
it is still unclear what are the strains they used to create the haze...
Seedfinder say's now »»» Santa Marta Gold x Wacky Weed aka Chocolate Colombian x Kolumbien
as i'll visited Sam he told me Santa Marta x Colombian Gold x Punto Rojo...
but he also said they played @ the end around with other colombian and his thai & kerala...
but it did not made it better...
to me it's a 3 way colombian... did not find any kerala nor thai trace...
only in Tom Hill Haze... if it's is the thai... but looks like...
don't know but Positronic (where Tom got the haze from) was not a small company by that time...
they crossed a lot by them selfs and made new lines... so a very good chance that they crossed the thai into there haze or SamS gave them OHz with thai in it from his own experiments...
haze seeds looking nearly all the same ;-) ... and it was a special time with lot's of bust's and loose of origins ... non of them is still alive...

many thx for da flowers!
M.

 

[MadMac]

forgot to mention....
SamS did also Thunk = Thai x Skunk
my guess with Posi is they... used his Thunk to shorten the flower time...
that's why you have this different bud's and also thai trace in it...
purple too from the skunk as well...
it was the time when AK47 & Kali Mist saw the light of the world...
AK47 had also some thai in it...
Positronic haze was 10 weeks noted in the prospect... ;-)
makes sense...
M.

 

[Eltitoguay]

(...)
Seedfinder say's now »»» Santa Marta Gold x Wacky Weed aka Chocolate Colombian x Kolumbien
as i'll visited Sam he told me Santa Marta x Colombian Gold x Punto Rojo...
but he also said they played @ the end around with other colombian and his thai & kerala...
but it did not made it better...
to me it's a 3 way colombian... did not find any kerala nor thai trace...
only in Tom Hill Haze... if it's is the thai... but looks like...
don't know but Positronic (where Tom got the haze from) was not a small company by that time...
they crossed a lot by them selfs and made new lines... so a very good chance that they crossed the thai into there haze or SamS gave them OHz with thai in it from his own experiments...
haze seeds looking nearly all the same ;-) ... and it was a special time with lot's of bust's and loose of origins ... non of them is still alive...

many thx for da flowers!
M.

Thank you very much for the extensive answer; And what would differentiate what they call "Colombian Gold" from "Santa Marta Gold" (SMG)?

Oh! and a question about your varieties and notation: if you write S1 at the end of the name/description of a cross in one of your test envelopes : does this mean that the seed is feminized? Or that the last parent of the cross was feminized, but the cross itself was not? Specifically:

 

[MadMac]

And what would differentiate what they call "Colombian Gold" from "Santa Marta Gold" (SMG)?

think C.Gold is a mix.... of colombian... not a pure landrace like SMG or PR
it was early there ... like end of 60' ... think locals took the best and made a hybrid back in the 60' or earlier...
that was than C.Gold... hence the name Gold ...

SMG/SMC by @led05 x OHz S1 ... reversed girl ... yep fem...
need to be planted soon.... ;-)
only a few got those... non have grown' yet
SMGxSMC is a great cross by@led05
i'll found a great pheno... had 2 green & purple...
prefer green...
those are rar beans... not many seeds made... was just a test...
like i'll said earlier... want to keep it pure colombian...
thank's for reminder... need to grow those myself... haha
totally forgot about... made so many...
M.

 

[MadMac]

SMG/SMC by @led05

and my OHz male in flower...

and a few outdoor OHz crosses ...worked out well but did focus on indoor haze... later... i'll know now ;-)
as always pic's tell more than words..

M.

 

[MadMac]

grapefruit(C99)/OHz x OHz

and a few other OHz crosses... eg Big Bud & Skunk....

this was also a very good one... Nepal Sativa x OHz ... took too long... sadly

M.

 

[F2F]

and my OHz male in flower...

Deja vu? From your repro.

 

[bonghopper]

because i'll have a cut that i'll keep my life time... ;-)
it was just to let him flower and show how great he is... need that in the meantime ...
don't worry ... the cut is happy and will never let him go... he is testet and has it all ...

only grow out and see ... was just a test... i'm absolute NOT into auto genetics... it's all crap for me doesn't matter what someone come up with... AUTO = CRAP ... weak, lack of potency and high is one dimensional...
waste of time...

Unless someone manages to just keep the auto trait without the effect to the high - high numbers and to f7 and beyond - some real breeding done here. The auto side has negatively affected the high with any auto hazes I've tried.

year i'll shared the haze with him to make crosses... UEL is not what i'm looking for... had his best selection in my friends garden... no the two where booth not that good... and i'll don't waste my time nor resources with other gear anymore. time is running... ;-)

Was that the UEL sativa S1 or UES? The selection towards sativa has only really started here, I'm working on this along with septoria resistance, which is generally quite poor, but I see the potential in UEL. Found 1 in 16 so far of the S1 that suit, and 1 in 68 of that one crossed to UEL lemon. A couple more generations of selection you might be interested again, it is early Love Potion after all.

haha yes... since i'll startet my outdoor adventure... worked with the Golli outdoor genetics...
but i'll grow for high only... don't care about yield nor flower time...

Thankfully there's dedicated people growing for the high and not just yield, smells and looks, it has all got far too samey.

if the high is not there it's wasted time...
testet so many strains for outdoors here 52°N ... need to harvest end october...

Same cut off date here at 53N, cooler summers also

my friend grows now over 40 years in his garden... we know every strain lol...
most are a joke... 10% THC ... looool or getting bud rot mold for other issues..

the only two strains that stand out where Big Bud (before 2000) and Female Seeds Grapefruit aka C99 ...
BB was very strong and narcotic like a good old afghan... my friend love this high... i'll don't
Grapefruit was the best after years... still constant in flower & finishing and very good high for outdoor strain... little like the haze... and longer duration as 30min ...
so i'll took the best Grapefruit out of his garden after smoke test and see her finishing...
hazed her with my best OHz girl reversed... and that is close to my personal goal...
pic's are here in the thread... 3m or more and finish still mid to end oct. great buds and very good yield... pure sativa buzz ... everything else did not work out well... to late or lacking of potency... high etc...
did so many crosses over time... this year also Grapefruit/OHz x OHz

Cool! great to hear that news! Are you putting them up on seedbay or p r o s * * d s this year?
They have Grapefruit and C99 at Female Seeds - which one? Was that the same stock they have now? There much variation in Grapefruit towards stoney effect? Cheers

if we get legalization here in europe ... year think outdoor will be more interesting...
but with solar power you can grow controlled indoors for nearly free!
that is than much more efficient as outdoors ... with weather and cold...
if it is too wet and cold in sep./oct. ... you loose it all ... there is NO potency when too cold...
THC get only produced with Sun and temp over 20°C ...
no sun no dope... no high... waste of time and resources

I don't grow indoor anymore, if only I had a friend like you Mac down the road!
I used to grow Kiwi seeds Mexican Haze indoors, awesome.

Depends on a strains cold tolerance to making potency and terpenes -
Mextiza is the best I have here yet for these traits,
Mextiza and the Mextiza x UEL are the strongest outdoor herb I have, good motivational stuff.

thank you for your interest and good luck with the UELhaze...
maybe you can show some late flower shots here and later a little report if it was good enough for you

Will do, it'll be alongside Mextiza S1, Mountain Gold, Verde Limon and other similar sativa dominants

tested soo many strains outdoors in my 30 years + growing... non of them had the sativa buzz i'm looking for... sure you can smoke and get stoned... but that's not my goal... i'm not a indica guy @ all ... it's way too boring for me... got the strongest and best indica's too ... -> boring sleepy stuff -> where is the fun???

I've no interest in indicas anymore, too much to do..
Been on the search for decent northern outdoor sativas for 10 years

SamS Durban Poison first edition was the killer for here ... but it's long long gone... like all those original cut's ... we are now @ f10 or more... and that's why it is all so weak this day's ...
weak weed = waste of time

F10 would be fine as long as there were enough plant numbers to select the best each time and keep vigour up...

Whats the name on that super resinous candy haze looking picture above ^
Keep them coming

many thx for da flowers
M.

 

[bonghopper]

Huge flowers on that C99/OHzxOhz! lovely, nice vine above it, ever grow Rembrandt?

 

[MadMac]

Deja vu? From your repro.

yes ... hybrid and bx to the haze

with Golli OHz male #2
Caledonia 1 x OHz#2 male
Caledonia 4 x OHz#2
Caledonia Haze #1 x OHz
Double Zamal x OHz
A5xOAX x OHz
A5/Thai x OHz
Golli 1 x OHz
Golli 3 x OHz
Golli 6 x OHz
Golli 7 x OHz
Golli 8 x OHz
Golli 10 x OHz
Seedsman 12
Seedsman 13
Seedsman 14
SO15 x
SO16 x
THH#1
THH#2

from 2 years ago... just to show how potent he is ... clusters of flowers ;-)
M.

 

[MadMac]

Was that the UEL sativa S1 or UES?

good question... think S1 ... we startet with 5 girls and 2 made it than...
also not very big... 2m ... will see if i'll find pic's... did so and posted them also @ GM

Cool! great to hear that news! Are you putting them up on seedbay or p r o s * * d s this year?
They have Grapefruit and C99 at Female Seeds - which one? Was that the same stock they have now? There much variation in Grapefruit towards stoney effect?

will see how legalisation goes...
until than don't release in other stores anymore...
THH on seedbay was by Panic and the other is connected to GM forum...
was to get them startet.... send to much haha but i'm fine with it all...
those where all great experiments to learn and see the outcome...
learned soo much ... and than Sam contacted me and the circle closed... ;-)
with those experience i'll made before i'll had enough questions and i'll get everything answered proper...
now i'll can select much better as before .. and know what to look for...
hard to describe..but likely undoable without experience...
you have to see smell and feel ... outgrow and watch ... again again to get a feeling...
i'll get now that you can not read it and than you know how...
also indica behave totally different than sativa ..
so breeding with booth needs experience with indica too...
and when it comes to genetic expressions etc...
to do it serious you need a lab to test while growing' ...
and space & money for 1000 - 10000 to select from...
like Sam did with the Skunk... i'll saw pic's ...
same they tried near Amsterdam with Durban Poison ...
Sam had a field with only Durban Poison and wanted to do his final selections...
He and Ed Rosenthal where every weed there to kill all late girls and boys and runts etc...
just some weeks before harvesting the seed they got busted and the field got destroyed...
that happend too often that day's ... was like a rival war between Arjan and all those others...
and the result was that they lost ALL original mothers year after year until 2000 ...
the cannabis law changed also by that time and in Holland it can change local... like only for Amsterdam or Rotterdam have different cannabis law's ... where to sell how much...
Sam also told me that it was a huge gray maket where nobody pay'd taxes on souvenir seeds ;-)
because of the War between different "breeder" cannabis = where the new gold without tax
all got greedy and crazy ...
he did not want to go into seed selling bizz...
so he only made the seeds and sold them as Kilo to the "breeders" ...
they sold them often as there own work...
in begin he sold also cut's from his best selections... like Haze (haze#19) thai, nepal, kerala, skunk of course, his hindukush ... and many many more... he also told me ... Stay away from seed bizz... ;-)
do kilo's and sell them ... it's much more stress less ...
but he had a complete greenhouse with darkness ... and a license ... later...
he did some clever moves to continue breeding legally -> CBD ...

Grapefruit from Female Seeds for outdoor .. better as C99 ...
well it's some auto genes in it... but Ferry managed to let it not affect the high as others...
he did also breeding work for others in the 90' ... until he startet his own biz ...
C99 seedmaking for Brothers Grimm was his ground stock to start with...
he took the best examples and worked with them...

Whats the name on that super resinous candy haze looking picture above ^

Zamaldelica Double(Breeder pack)/OHz x OHz
M.

 

[Nexus7]

THH best early samples

 

[led05]

think C.Gold is a mix.... of colombian... not a pure landrace like SMG or PR
it was early there ... like end of 60' ... think locals took the best and made a hybrid back in the 60' or earlier...
that was than C.Gold... hence the name Gold ...

SMG/SMC by @led05 x OHz S1 ... reversed girl ... yep fem...
need to be planted soon.... ;-)
only a few got those... non have grown' yet
SMGxSMC is a great cross by@led05
i'll found a great pheno... had 2 green & purple...
prefer green...
those are rar beans... not many seeds made... was just a test...
like i'll said earlier... want to keep it pure colombian...
thank's for reminder... need to grow those myself... haha
totally forgot about... made so many...
M.

what's up dude.....

Yes SMC x SMG is quite rare, not many got them, only a handful of people in total. SMC is the purple Colombian Cut I got from e.T that he got IIRC from Zamalito.

SMG are the beans I got from Huesos and did the bulking / reproduction of, I used my 6 favorite males on that Female Cut I wanna say, that or all 14 males from SMG but I'm pretty sure only my 6 favorite ones, more than plenty. I too prefer the more green or even better lime green taller ones, but the purple / red ones are great too, more about personal preference tbh. Within those beans (SMC x SMG) is a huge spectrum of old Colombian genetics, no doubt

Peace & hope you're well

 

[bonghopper]

good question... think S1 ... we startet with 5 girls and 2 made it than...
also not very big... 2m ... will see if i'll find pic's... did so and posted them also @ GM

will see how legalisation goes...

What's the word abouts legalisation? I'm out of the loop

until than don't release in other stores anymore...
THH on seedbay was by Panic and the other is connected to GM forum...
was to get them startet.... send to much haha but i'm fine with it all...
those where all great experiments to learn and see the outcome...
learned soo much ... and than Sam contacted me and the circle closed... ;-)
with those experience i'll made before i'll had enough questions and i'll get everything answered proper...
now i'll can select much better as before .. and know what to look for...
hard to describe..but likely undoable without experience...
you have to see smell and feel ... outgrow and watch ... again again to get a feeling...
i'll get now that you can not read it and than you know how...
also indica behave totally different than sativa ..
so breeding with booth needs experience with indica too...
and when it comes to genetic expressions etc...
to do it serious you need a lab to test while growing' ...
and space & money for 1000 - 10000 to select from...
like Sam did with the Skunk... i'll saw pic's ...
same they tried near Amsterdam with Durban Poison ...
Sam had a field with only Durban Poison and wanted to do his final selections...
He and Ed Rosenthal where every weed there to kill all late girls and boys and runts etc...
just some weeks before harvesting the seed they got busted and the field got destroyed...
that happend too often that day's ... was like a rival war between Arjan and all those others...
and the result was that they lost ALL original mothers year after year until 2000 ...
the cannabis law changed also by that time and in Holland it can change local... like only for Amsterdam or Rotterdam have different cannabis law's ... where to sell how much...
Sam also told me that it was a huge gray maket where nobody pay'd taxes on souvenir seeds ;-)
because of the War between different "breeder" cannabis = where the new gold without tax
all got greedy and crazy ...
he did not want to go into seed selling bizz...
so he only made the seeds and sold them as Kilo to the "breeders" ...
they sold them often as there own work...
in begin he sold also cut's from his best selections... like Haze (haze#19) thai, nepal, kerala, skunk of course, his hindukush ... and many many more... he also told me ... Stay away from seed bizz... ;-)
do kilo's and sell them ... it's much more stress less ...
but he had a complete greenhouse with darkness ... and a license ... later...
he did some clever moves to continue breeding legally -> CBD ...

Very informative, thanks, explains a lot

Grapefruit from Female Seeds for outdoor .. better as C99 ...
well it's some auto genes in it... but Ferry managed to let it not affect the high as others...
he did also breeding work for others in the 90' ... until he startet his own biz ...
C99 seedmaking for Brothers Grimm was his ground stock to start with...
he took the best examples and worked with them...

Is it their 'Outdoor Grapefruit'? That's the only grapefruit I see there, that's Grapefruit x Easy Sativa and perhaps bx to Grapefruit?

Zamaldelica Double(Breeder pack)/OHz x OHz

Super, any carrotyness in there from the Zamal side?

M.

 

[MadMac]

hello,
here some shot's from flower room....
these are the best Golli OHz selections...

this one is just amazing.... everything... high & yield... but grows slower as the other and doesn't stretch too much... but she also need her 16 weeks + from cut

another great pheno...

another with curled leaf's ...

normal looking

another special ... see the leaf's ... very vigorous and good yield

also a typical pheno found in da haze... think it's the inbreed problem... but good high

the next are like Tom Hill Haze... all have this strange top with bigger leaf's ... but strong high

same here ...

and a normal one again... slender sexy leaf's and budding nice up now...

Double Zamal/OHz x OHz

slowly ... but we getting there....
M.

 

[MadMac]

and the male....

so beautiful this dude... and hairy too... and early resin on flowers... he has it all ;-)
M.

 

[Hammerhead]

OH GOLLI X3 READY ON THE 8TH

 

[MadMac]

hello,
some sunday bud porn ...

Caledonia/OHz x OHz... this stuff is sooo frosty... sticks to your finger in no time... hard to show on picture... but see yourself... and this is still not the top bud ;-)

think you get the idea ;-)
the bx to da haze.... everything is covered... there is not much space left... haha
love it...
M.

 

[MadMac]

hello,
well while the OHz are ripening...
i'll have two strong catpiss pheno's ...

OHz Golli catpiss

M.

 

[Legalcdn]

She has some nice red stems. Another strain on my bucket list.