MadMac's haze and haze hybrid's grow & show

[Piff_cat]

some info on landraces and their male types. there is a real good article which compared south africa to turkish males had lot of good info. but this stuff is good to. the concept is that the males of ganja vs hashplant show the biggest differences defining characterisitcs between indica/sativa. genetically determined and the distinction started in the progenitors original endemic environment. stem thickness may be under nutrition control to a small degree, but hollow stem male vs fibrous stem is genetically determined. no matter how much nutes bamboo gets it wont grow solid. same here.
if you look at types 4/5 at the bottom very good info concerning haze as type 4 especially accounts for big part of haze morphology. 10 to 15 feet tall, hollow square ridged stem, late maturing, high thc high cbc cbgm and cbg content very little to no cbd. check out these type 4 morphology drawings from japan stems especially look just like the soma male.

 

[CannaT]

I saw hemp with hollow steams,and nohemp with hollow steams...I think that this is proof of nothing.

Cannabis is all the same,we just want to classify it,cuz of our different needs.

 

[Koondense]

If it can be classified this means it is not all the same.
Selection for stem/fiber is imo what determines hollow or not hollow stems, I never seen a big degree of morphological variation when different nutrients were used. Would mean it's a very unstable genome but it looks like the contrary is true.
So these fine nute ratios etc...it sounds like mumbo jumbo to me.

Cheers

 

[funkyhorse]

Piff, what is the source of this?
It is not what I saw in real life

Type IV Manchurian weed starts at may and matures at the end of september. Same goes for all vegetation
Can you define something like this as matures slowly?
At their environment, from october to april it is all ice, nothing grows in Manchuria
It was the first and only time in my life I saw trees giving first flowers in May and then growing leaf
Nepali weed is very tall but manchurian its not that tall at all. At least the manchurian weed growing in Manchuria I saw and smoked. Maybe outside of their environment they grow differently

Type V
I can never relate Nepali/himalayan weed with any south east asian. I dont know about south africa, I never been there nor smoked their landrace weed
Nepali and himalayan weed has no high. It is used for making charas or bhang.
Do you think they would do all that work to make charas in the Himalayas if the weed without processing the resin or transforming it into bhang would hit?
Indonesia is a huge country made up of more than 17.000 islands. There is more than one type of weed in such a country. Sumatran weed and papuan weed I dont think they are the same or can be qualified under the same category even though they are from the same country

 

[ledo]

What do you run B at? What ratio to Ca? I read an article yesterday that said B for cannabis should be 0.875-1ppm. Read another article for almond trees and the ratio was B:Ca 18-26:1.

I don’t measure much; as another farmer once put it, and in disbelief & astonishment I just Willy nilly it all, it’s true, but it works for me here but I’d never recommend it elsewhere especially for trace minerals like Boron…

Are you sure the almond ratio wasn’t Ca:B 18-26:1 vs other ways around…?

Things imo lacking in most mediums - Ca, B, Mn, S

Things overly saturated in most mediums - K, Mg, N, P

I use previously mentioned chicken poo as my primary & often sole fertilizer, anything else I have is chelated single minerals I’ll foliarly spray or slurry in when appropriate…

For the most part I recycle soil indefinitely, recharge by adding minerals and use a heavier medium than most, more like blend of real earth & peat vs a full promix type experience…. 95% + gets recycled inside every grow, anything left from that goes into a 30 yard outdoor compost pit I’ve got…

If one learns how to build mediums; everything else is skiing downhill from there on out….

This 5# bag will last most a lifetime

And

 

[ledo]

If it can be classified this means it is not all the same.
Selection for stem/fiber is imo what determines hollow or not hollow stems, I never seen a big degree of morphological variation when different nutrients were used. Would mean it's a very unstable genome but it looks like the contrary is true.
So these fine nute ratios etc...it sounds like mumbo jumbo to me.

Cheers

You’ve seen my grows; all species of plants… I’ll take the Pepsi challenge against anyone; any species… I assure you things work here due to an innate understanding of minerals & plants.., call it whatever you’d like….

Plants have genetics; as growers these are our chains; we’re limited by them, our job is deliver on the phenotypes based on our skills, some stems are harder to fill in than others… go chat up any agronomist about what hollow stems indicate in nearly ever species of plants…. I’d love to hear your findings..,?

And it’s all relative as I’ve mentioned… I.e. - some plants are more hollow than others, but with proper nutrition those plants relatively can be filled in…

It’s like purpling stems, often it can be a little geno & phenotypic expressions, if grower isn’t up to snuff often it’s P, N deficiency etc, far more often than not…

Peace - just my .02

 

[Piff_cat]

this laos strain is a great example of the special traits i was asking mac about in his outlier tom hill haze female. this line is from far northern laos basically south china in the golden triangle of laos/mynamar/china. bodhi collected the seeds originally in 2014 from the muang sing tribe i beleive is all women. anyway this line has everything youd want in a type 4 plant- extreme vigor, high resin on all organs, hollow stem, sequiterpene content(vanilla smell is due to high guiaol/lignin) huge leaves, parallel nodes all the way thru flower with the fireman ladder morphology seen in the japanese strains. the most impressive part about type 4 japanese lines is they contain eugenol, a potent medical phenolpropanoid which has not been found outside japan. this accounts for a large percentage of holy basils smell and medical properties along with ocimene(which is found in high numbers in haze and japanese lines) shiatsu kush one of the few japeense lines available has big cbg, cbc and ocimene. anyway here are some cool pics of the line i found. dj is growing these out now to put to our 3 selected outback vietnam phenos.

this is what caught my eye about the tom hill mutant this line also matures seeds outside . also found this in congo red stem, and several korean lines

this is the main structure type you will find in type 4 lines as you can see in the japanese illustrations. seems to be 2 types of stems tho- this is the more tree like with flexible but strong nodes. this is a dif plant then the rest of the pics and may have a fibrous stem while the purple pheno is hollow. heres a pic of the 1970s vietnam from hippie genetics to compare the morphology between the two type 4s

 

[NOREGRETZ]

GN Thai Stick x OHz S1 is coming spring ...
the Thai used with NHz was from a friend who was there...
it's not like Thai Stick...
wait for spring and you will be happy i'm sure... ;-)
thx
M.

hello mad
where did you get the thai varieties that you use in your crosses especially the ko chang and the thai stick? How do they differ in terms of effect?

 

[funkyhorse]

About Muang Sing, what better than the own words of the guy who copied it and sold it under the name Mango Thai
I disagree with this guy more than I agree with him but on this one I agree

fwiw, Muang Sing isn't a traditional ganja cultivation region. It's right up on the border with China.

Nobody who understands Laos would go hunting for Sativa ganja landraces there.

The crop in that region is traditionally opium, and the only Cannabis traditionally grown is hemp.

Real ganja cultivation happens in the ethnic Lao regions, which really start properly from Luang Prabang southwards, and don't really getting going till Vientaine and from there down to Cambodia.

That's not to say you're going to get seeds just by turning up and asking - unless you find them in some buds.

We were talking about this on the landrace team thread that got closed
I dont know what is worse: a bullshitter who copies bullshit indiscriminately without knowing if it is bullshit or not or a case like this when the bullshitter is copying bullshit being perfectly aware of the bullshitness of the story
If these are the guys making strains and selling landraces no wonder the commercial ganja offered is so degraded

Master Piff, one year travelling and researching in Asia will teach you as much as a PHD degree at a western university

Have a nice weekend everybody

 

[ledo]

read this a few times, anyone else catching it..... ?

it's right, but only half the time....... more hollow stems are more akin to fiber plants..... Their cross section descriptions are reversed for the pic, the Fiber variant is hollow, and lower THC more often on average.... this is actually fairly well known IMO, I agree....

Hollower stems = more fiber varieties = truth

PS: I grow a lot of landrace NLD, I'm good with this... ^ if it was only about the THC (insert myriad of jokes), well..... it's certainly not...

 

[Piff_cat]

read this a few times, anyone else catching it..... ?


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it's right, but only half the time....... more hollow stems are more akin to fiber plants..... Their cross section descriptions are reversed for the pic, the Fiber variant is hollow, and lower THC more often on average.... this is actually fairly well known IMO, I agree....

Hollower stems = more fiber varieties = truth

PS: I grow a lot of landrace NLD, I'm good with this... ^ if it was only about the THC (insert myriad of jokes), well..... it's certainly not...

just because hollow stems are a positive trait for sativa nld does not mean non hollow stems are bad. the drug type vs euro fibre type show hollow stems relating to high cannabinoids.

but not just pictures, nearly every single outback x vietnam has hollow stems. you cant conflate all fibre plants as non drug, because east asian "hemp" actually belongs to the drug family and is their most diverse member.
most likely the wild progenitors of drug cannabis from yunnan xinijiang korea etc. hilligs allozyme study clearly differentiates european hemp from east asian hemp. in fact east asian hemp had nearly every allele present in drug cannabis lines. and a very high rate of BT allele used to seperate the two. on top of that they had 7 alleles not found anywhere else
.so yes east asian hemp biotype types have hollow stems this is the premise of selecting for them, since they represent a more primordial drug type. under hillig allozyme system indica= drug sativa= fibre/feral low thc.
the hollow stem is possible because of the high lignin which also is why east asian hemp is far superior to european, the traits of a asian hemp plants lignin metabolism means pheolpropanoid production will always be high and the cannabinoids and terpenes will reflect this by being higher then low lignin types.

 

[goingrey]

About Muang Sing, what better than the own words of the guy who copied it and sold it under the name Mango Thai
I disagree with this guy more than I agree with him but on this one I agree


We were talking about this on the landrace team thread that got closed
I dont know what is worse: a bullshitter who copies bullshit indiscriminately without knowing if it is bullshit or not or a case like this when the bullshitter is copying bullshit being perfectly aware of the bullshitness of the story
If these are the guys making strains and selling landraces no wonder the commercial ganja offered is so degraded

Master Piff, one year travelling and researching in Asia will teach you as much as a PHD degree at a western university

Have a nice weekend everybody

What are you saying? That Bodhi should not have collected and reproduced seeds from there because 150 years ago it was a French opium colony? Makes no sense to me.

 

[CannaT]

If it can be classified this means it is not all the same.
Selection for stem/fiber is imo what determines hollow or not hollow stems, I never seen a big degree of morphological variation when different nutrients were used. Would mean it's a very unstable genome but it looks like the contrary is true.
So these fine nute ratios etc...it sounds like mumbo jumbo to me.

Cheers

Even scientist today have troubles of classified cannabis....its very hard to classified it.
What is cannabis strain,what is indica,what is sativa....nld,wld....all of this are just that,nothing....that cant be 100% put in real world.

I read about biggest cannabis reasrch in history in US....after scientist grow many cannabis plants of all kinds,in various setups(green house,indoor,outdoor)...they concluded it is all the same strain just with big variation.

That is my tought also about it....

Today we trying to make differences out of it....but its very hard....

And some people are really funny here when they say its pheno columbian or mexican....its story for little kids...in one field in columbia there are at least " 1000 phenotipes and 30 different strains...."

Or this cannabis science piff posted,indian cannabis this and that.....its really funny.

In every country every village have bit different cabbage....and yes cannabis is all uniform...hahah

Grow up boiz....

 

[Koondense]

Still is no use to call it all the same.
Same goes with people, we are all the same but different. And we tend to behave differently towards people of different group than ours.
Indian is surely different from Colombian as are people living there.
I get your point and agree in part but if you get further you find the classifications have their place and can be useful.
Imagine having a handful of Thai seeds and trying to grow them somewhere like Oregon... It's clear it will not be suitable for the environment...so you better get some local proven seeds to get some plants to finish and smoke.
It's not "the same" at all despite being the "same" genus.
In a variable world there are varieties.

Cheers

 

[ledo]

just because hollow stems are a positive trait for sativa nld does not mean non hollow stems are bad. the drug type vs euro fibre type show hollow stems relating to high cannabinoids.

but not just pictures, nearly every single outback x vietnam has hollow stems. you cant conflate all fibre plants as non drug, because east asian "hemp" actually belongs to the drug family and is their most diverse member.
most likely the wild progenitors of drug cannabis from yunnan xinijiang korea etc. hilligs allozyme study clearly differentiates european hemp from east asian hemp. in fact east asian hemp had nearly every allele present in drug cannabis lines. and a very high rate of BT allele used to seperate the two. on top of that they had 7 alleles not found anywhere else
.so yes east asian hemp biotype types have hollow stems this is the premise of selecting for them, since they represent a more primordial drug type. under hillig allozyme system indica= drug sativa= fibre/feral low thc.
the hollow stem is possible because of the high lignin which also is why east asian hemp is far superior to european, the traits of a asian hemp plants lignin metabolism means pheolpropanoid production will always be high and the cannabinoids and terpenes will reflect this by being higher then low lignin types.
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I never said it was bad; remember I’m the guy telling people they should try filling the stems in for proper nutrition.

You should read this one if you haven’t already - it’ll take a bit - remarkably thorough imo

 

[Piff_cat]

mac wanted to share with you an exciting discovery made by @OldCoolSativa relating to haze and your observation/selection of the "diamond sessile cbc trichomes" found on the upper leaves in your favorite hazers. marcus found this freaky U2 with diamonds and extra cotyledon growth. he sent a sample in for a plant ploidity test determined by high flow cytology- this test determines the "weight" or size of sample genomes to determine how many chromosomes are present. this is done by comparing the weight to a known diploids weight. the test came back conclusively that the U2 plant was indeed an aneuploid with an aprox chromosome count of 21. so i thought that was pretty cool and could help guide your important haze work. and thanks to marcus for sharing the results.

also wanted to ask you about these very interesting and beautiful flying dutchman haze ladies in your album. they are quite stunning. i know you had germination issues, but the plants look so unique with the cupped single bladed sharp leaves. some resemblance to your tom hill haze runt/freak and also the basa landrace from uttakarhand landrace mafia has. did you save these ladies or use them for any further breeding? and how did they end up far as profile etc? thanks man

basa landrace similarity-

 

[elchischas]

mac wanted to share with you an exciting discovery made by @OldCoolSativa relating to haze and your observation/selection of the "diamond sessile cbc trichomes" found on the upper leaves in your favorite hazers. marcus found this freaky U2 with diamonds and extra cotyledon growth. he sent a sample in for a plant ploidity test determined by high flow cytology- this test determines the "weight" or size of sample genomes to determine how many chromosomes are present. this is done by comparing the weight to a known diploids weight. the test came back conclusively that the U2 plant was indeed an aneuploid with an aprox chromosome count of 21. so i thought that was pretty cool and could help guide your important haze work. and thanks to marcus for sharing the results.
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also wanted to ask you about these very interesting and beautiful flying dutchman haze ladies in your album. they are quite stunning. i know you had germination issues, but the plants look so unique with the cupped single bladed sharp leaves. some resemblance to your tom hill haze runt/freak and also the basa landrace from uttakarhand landrace mafia has. did you save these ladies or use them for any further breeding? and how did they end up far as profile etc? thanks man
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Pretty interesting...
Thanks for share

 

[Azure]

My Colombian Gold x THH is getting droopy. The plant droopiness started in August when it was 88-98 degrees F when a single top began to droop and another top became dried and sun burned. So I started watering plant more and that stopped sun burning but the drooping has come back. Currently, the temp has decreased to 75-84F since September but the drooping is getting worse.
I've been soaking the soil once a day but maybe it's too much water now. What do you guys think could be causing droop? Too much water, not enough water or maybe a deficiency?

 

[goingrey]

My Colombian Gold x THH is getting droopy. The plant droopiness started in August when it was 88-98 degrees F when a single top began to droop and another top became dried and sun burned. So I started watering plant more and that stopped sun burning but the drooping has come back. Currently, the temp has decreased to 75-84F since September but the drooping is getting worse.
I've been soaking the soil once a day but maybe it's too much water now. What do you guys think could be causing droop? Too much water, not enough water or maybe a deficiency?

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Soaking the soil every day? I think you already know the answer to your question.

 

[Azure]

Soaking the soil every day? I think you already know the answer to your question.

Yeah. I was thinking about all the factors.
I had to soak it during the blistering drought in August but now in September the weather has changed quite a bit. I'll let it dry out and see what happens.