MadMac's haze and haze hybrid's grow & show

[Deep Thought]

@MadMac Hey thanks for the reply. I tried to quote a small section but didn't want to quote the whole post.

So you take clones four times a year, I guess to keep space down. That's interesting. Other than that, I was really asking about how big your mother/veg space/spaces are and how many mother plants you keep. It must be a lot, and you have to keep them for a very long time. So because you are a guy with a lot of mothers to keep and for so long, I thought it would be helpful to hear your way. You may have come up with something. I only know my way.

Sorry if you have answered that before, I have read this entire thread and don't recall you saying. I have been wondering how you do this the entire read.

No need to reply to this. This is just a clarification of my previous post which I think was misunderstood.

Take care

 

[Digger102]

OHz S1 harvest

OHz S1 harvest

hello,
and here my test grow OHz S1...
it's much more as it looks like hehe
well all untopped and grown from seed...
not much care too... just to see how they do...
and ... impressed by amount of resin everywhere...
was also too hot in beginning... they shoot over 27°C...
best temp for haze is 25°C max indoors... outdoors it doesn't matter that much... will grow much more OHz next year...
some THH x OHz and OHz x THH etc are waiting... also new S1...

all the best for 2021 ...
and get hazed...
the time is now!
M

Hello Mac! I’m new to the thread and reading the entire thing to catch up. Thank you for all the info about growing NLD indoors. What humidity do you veg and flower at?

 

[Digger102]

I also have lots of OHaze x OHaze f2 (JohhnyChicago’s) 4males pollenated 3 females ..Anyone is curious to try .... I’m going to pop some immediately to see what they look like View attachment 17811742 View attachment 17811741

Hi @star crash, did you get around to running these? How did they turn out?

 

[Digger102]

This thread just gets better and better!
Got some madmac ohaze S1 started(wet) tonight, haze on!

Yes the f*uck it does!! LOL!! I'm a little over half way through and the information and education is priceless. The wish list is very short as of now, seedsman haze x OH'90. Thanks to everyone for their input!!

 

[Piff_cat]

@MadMac is this lady still alive mac? shes very special and important recombinate genotype i think. are proseeds repro include her? thanks

 

[bigherb]

Madmac

Piff cat just sparked the brain

The pheno that I still think of was if I recall correct named the Queen , my recollection is not great but I recall pics of the dry/ hanging plant next to news paper

Any work done with her ? Is she still alive ?

1luvbigherb

 

[zaprjaques]

@Piff_cat that looks like prehistoric herb <3!

 

[flower~power]

Hi @star crash, did you get around to running these? How did they turn out?

I did and the line breeds true! I’m holding onto thousands of these I haven’t figured out exactly what to do with them

 

[Digger102]

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Hello! This question is for anyone. In the picture with the hand, its a good shot of the lowers and inner parts of the plant. At this point in the plants life, would a haze freak out if all that small shit, or even entire branches, lets say 2-3 feet (60-90cm) up from the soil line were removed? Or most of the shaded interior. I know some if not most of us want material for hash, but better resin makes for better hash.

 

[Digger102]

hello,
need to post some first results from my last work here...
many thx @ all for posting and interact...
will comment later on open questions...

because of lockdown could not get new soil... and after my trouble with the house ...
had to take my 4 years old soil... but got already too much dolomite lime because was in use for composting my chicken shit etc...
now all had a overdose calcium... and some reacted not much (pure sativa blood) while the hybrids with indica blood in it had trouble and stopped real flowering...
they get than only 3 fingers and become small...

well now plants becoming chunky.... some...
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the beast middle top... is OHz 90 x OHzS1
she is over 3 meter .. also wide... all those arms that show up left and right...
and she get nice flowers as it looks...
still have a overdose calcium from the lime...
but I'll see already the good once... have cut's from all...
the vigor is amazing... 12/12 from seed... and root restricted...
but still giving all ... need watering every 2 day's now ...
most have those 8 liter or 2 gallon pot's
some get some tip burn... but not from feeding... from small pot dried out to quick...
do only light feeding every second watering... max 1.0EC ...
always wonder with those sativa how little they need ...
and it is very old soil... like 4 years now.... always recycled ... shop's where closed
so had to use it...
most interesting smell gives the Caledonia Haze...
never smelled a ganja plant before like Caledonia pure...
and so happy I'll got it carry over in the cross with the haze...
will do bx to the 4 or 6 reversed OHz in summer.....
same with some other who show there potency... ThaiHaze and ZamalHaze...
and DoorsHaze of course....
I'll see now everywhere... these R4 crosses are all real fun...

Black Widow(Sativa pheno') x OHz ... some spider web on top ... from moving in & out... but good resin production

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Double Zamal x OHz ...

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A5/OHzS1 x OHz

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New Caledonia #23 x OHz

...looks like Zamal with much more resin...

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OHz 90' x R4 OHz

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C99 x OHz ... here also too much lime... (calcium) but show's what she is able to do... have cut...

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Lieu Hanh x OHz

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all together...
1. New Caledonia #23 x OHz (90 #5) Plant 4
2. Zamaldelica Double x OHz (90 #5) Plant 2
3. Black Widow x OHz (90 #5)
4. Kali Mist x OHz (90 #5)
5. A5 / OHz R4 x OHz (90 #5)
6. A5 / C5/5HzC x OHz (90 #5)
7. C99 x OHz (90 #5)
8. A5/Malawi x OHz (90 #5)
9. Lieu Hanh x OHz
10. Jack x OHz (90 #5)
11. Doors/OHz x OHz (90 #5)
12. Thai Stick x OHz (90 #5)
13. OHz 6 x OHzR4

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two A5/OHzR4 x OHz would be enough for this room ;-)
but need to see results...
and they looking promising...
so far so happy ... only the soil issue...
but learning by doing last longer

all the best
M.

Hi Mac! Is that Black Widow sativa pheno from Beanhoarder? I have some of the keeper pheno beans from when hemp depot used to carry them.

 

[Digger102]

I found this cutting clones a couple days ago.
thi View attachment 18105626 View attachment 18105627 s the most hollow I've ever seen a stem.

In my experience, hollow stems are from calcium deficiencies. You dont need the magnesium of calmag, just calcium.

 

[Digger102]

hello friends of the night ;-)
some impressions...
hash is amazing... found a good source
plants are doing fine...
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repro is doing fine too... and all my cuts are happy too
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all the best from Morocco
M.

I see the hash and all I hear is the man from the documentary "bon quality"

 

[Digger102]

Hello and good evening. Thank you all very much for sharing grows and knowledge. This is a great thread!!

 

[led05]

In my experience, hollow stems are from calcium deficiencies. You dont need the magnesium of calmag, just calcium.

smart digger..... you're close, but often it's actually Ca AND B issues, brick and mortar, they go hand and hand..... - the worst product ever invented and causes so many growers nightmares is CalMag, the ratio at 7:1 or even 10:1 is effed, Mg is in everything, like K, just far too much.... But there's rarely if ever enough of the King, Ca....

 

[Digger102]

smart digger..... you're close, but often it's actually Ca AND B issues, brick and mortar, they go hand and hand..... - the worst product ever invented and causes so many growers nightmares is CalMag, the ratio at 7:1 or even 10:1 is effed, Mg is in everything, like K, just far too much.... But there's rarely if ever enough of the King, Ca....

Hi led, thanks for the reminder, I forgot to mention boron even though its one of the first nutes that go in my solution, every rip, silica, trace, boron, my holy trinity. Do you add boron? How much do you add, if you do?

 

[Piff_cat]

while hollow stems as a deficiency can be caused by nutrient issues, resinous and hollowed stem males are found in high potency landraces from challenging enviorments.. . the plants fight back with high lignin production. this sets the basis for the plants secondary metabolites quantity and chemotype cannabinoid ratio.
the plant needs to grow vertically quickly with the smallest resource intake possible since herbivore, fungi and insect defense needs so many resources.
lignin is an all in one security system for plants. its created using 3 alcohols into very dense poly structure in cell wall. besides strength, lignin adaptation and linked traits determine which defense organs are needed and what they contain. these metabolites and organsare whats called highly conserved- meaning certain metabolites occur only when a threat stays constant with copies both sides of pedigree mating. these quallities can be silenced the gene for many reason. so maintaing these capablities is of utmost importance.
instead of having a thick tree like stem, light is at a premium with many competitors .they reach for the sunlight under jungle canopy by using high tensile lignin to build a hollow stack. tropical plants which need to be humidity proof have very high lignin capabilities. lignin and cannabinoids share a common precursor produced by the shikimate pathway.
cannabinoids are meroterpenoids meaning they are half phenol and half terpene. trichomes are created on leaves sepcifically to protect and regulate the stomata. so these hollow stems and resin males have a lot of beneficial uses in breeding because of the linked quantatative traits associated with the adaptations.
here is a picture from ojd page of famous g13 haze c male. a common sense trait allows male to grow tall and fast with the females being stouter eventually the male bends down covers the females with the pollen. i would guess that pollen is moisture sensitive so the males trying to make the pollens trip to pistil short as possible and covered in tight space. see this is the mynamar chin landrace too.

 

[Dr.Young]

I got 8 THH bustin dirt..... few other hazes.... I dont wanna a jynx themstill waiting on some of them to get away from the dirt...
Debating if i wanna try popping some Ohaze, or the KochangThai x Haze...... Starting to think I should pop some SEAsian stuff for focus and clarity, with haze being maybe a little more prone to have CBG and other stuff... I have some Vietblack, and OrientExpress (Vietblack x kali china) also.. Thats about the extent to my SEAsian stuff.... I do have some Seedsman MamaThai x Atao Red Thai x MalawiPPP seed I made wih the most sativa girl i found in a pack of Mama Thai, and the longest flowering male i got in the thai x malawiPPP... A solid 12 week x 16+ week cross..... Also did Lemonhoko Blueberry Sat bx3 x ThaiMalawiPPP... A 6" Broadleaf Blueberry mutant female with sexy sweet perfumey terps that I hit with same 16+week male... I actually have a girl of that going now that looks like a vigorous 10+ weeker blend pheno (BB x ThaiMalawiPPP)

The best sativa i ever smoked had crazy amounts of focus, a teal color to it with almost a tea smell to it but either way, the high/effect made me feel like I was in the movie limitless.... Mind racing, super focused, with almost a nuclear glow feeling in my body. Tingling with electricity and warmth... I like to think/plan/strategize, and this shit was perfect for that. It made thinking so fun, and exhilarating. As a introvert it made me feel carefree and like i could talk no problem, giddy/butterfly in stomach exciting and pure feeling... LIke you got a vitamin D shot or something and some good news at the same time... Fire in teh soul, brainstorm fuel

I'll have some cool pics soon bois n girls.... Getting materials in the morning so im get a bottle of peroxide and germinate something in the morning....

Would love to hear a update of yalls experience with Madmacs stuff... A quick 1 sentence review of all the haze stuff you've ran of his... I seen someone do this in the middle of the thread somewhere pages ago... They explained the flower times and structure/effect/smell of 90s Ohaze...Seedsman Haze....Thh special.....Kochang x THH.... etc and said a few words about how each of them compared to the others in terms of potency and what grew better/faster/smellier/stronger.

 

[led05]

while hollow stems as a deficiency can be caused by nutrient issues, resinous and hollowed stem males are found in high potency landraces from challenging enviorments.. . the plants fight back with high lignin production. this sets the basis for the plants secondary metabolites quantity and chemotype cannabinoid ratio.
the plant needs to grow vertically quickly with the smallest resource intake possible since herbivore, fungi and insect defense needs so many resources.
lignin is an all in one security system for plants. its created using 3 alcohols into very dense poly structure in cell wall. besides strength, lignin adaptation and linked traits determine which defense organs are needed and what they contain. these metabolites and organsare whats called highly conserved- meaning certain metabolites occur only when a threat stays constant with copies both sides of pedigree mating. these quallities can be silenced the gene for many reason. so maintaing these capablities is of utmost importance.
instead of having a thick tree like stem, light is at a premium with many competitors .they reach for the sunlight under jungle canopy by using high tensile lignin to build a hollow stack. tropical plants which need to be humidity proof have very high lignin capabilities. lignin and cannabinoids share a common precursor produced by the shikimate pathway.
cannabinoids are meroterpenoids meaning they are half phenol and half terpene. trichomes are created on leaves sepcifically to protect and regulate the stomata. so these hollow stems and resin males have a lot of beneficial uses in breeding because of the linked quantatative traits associated with the adaptations.
here is a picture from ojd page of famous g13 haze c male. a common sense trait allows male to grow tall and fast with the females being stouter eventually the male bends down covers the females with the pollen. i would guess that pollen is moisture sensitive so the males trying to make the pollens trip to pistil short as possible and covered in tight space. see this is the mynamar chin landrace too.

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Often it’s feast or famine water for NLD that can lead to hollow too (Ca & H20 inextricably linked I’ll add), actually many species plants this holds true…

BUT - if you keep up with the B & Ca your stems will fill in…. I grow 8-10’ + tall sativas all year long indoors (been doing long time), I’d grow taller if I could…. I’ve intentionally messed @ with filling their stems in and how; I’m not saying it’s not more difficult with landrace sativas I’m just saying I’ve grow as many as the next guy and the genetics simply make it more difficult to fully please… but you can fill them in, even with all you explain above and most often that comes down to Ca, B & H20, IME…

Peace

 

[Digger102]

Often it’s feast or famine water for NLD that can lead to hollow too (Ca & H20 inextricably linked I’ll add), actually many species plants this holds true…

BUT - if you keep up with the B & Ca your stems will fill in…. I grow 8-10’ + tall sativas all year long indoors (been doing long time), I’d grow taller if I could…. I’ve intentionally messed @ with filling their stems in and how; I’m not saying it’s not more difficult with landrace sativas I’m just saying I’ve grow as many as the next guy and the genetics simply make it more difficult to fully please… but you can fill them in, even with all you explain above and most often that comes down to Ca, B & H20, IME…

Peace

What do you run B at? What ratio to Ca? I read an article yesterday that said B for cannabis should be 0.875-1ppm. Read another article for almond trees and the ratio was B:Ca 18-26:1.

 

[Sub24ox7]

All the haze I have grown has completely filled in almost stems(very sturdy like a tree). Seedsman o. Haze main stem from seed plant.