Machine abused Nugs...

[siftedunity]

its obvious in this thread that it come down to your personal standards. some people don't care if you stick some bud through a machine and batter it around. some prefere thrier weed well tended and not bashed around etc. to each there own. if you don't like it machined, don't buy it.. if you don't care then buy it. personally I hate trimming and have quite a lot to do sometimes. ive been tempted to buy a machine but id rather do it by hand while I can. if I ever grew more and it became overwhelming I might look into it. really undecided tbh.

 

[TheRealHash]

its obvious in this thread that it come down to your personal standards. some people don't care if you stick some bud through a machine and batter it around. some prefere thrier weed well tended and not bashed around etc. to each there own. if you don't like it machined, don't buy it.. if you don't care then buy it.

I feel like people are going on and on about their worst experience with machine trimmed bud.

Some machined weed comes out really good.

It seems like no one wants to take my word for it..

haha That's understandable.

I was against machines too when all I saw was abused, crappy product coming out the other end.

I have a feeling that with these better machines people won't be forthcoming about their product being machined due to the stigma surrounding it.

 

[TheRealGrowShow]

I feel like people are going on and on about their worst experience with machine trimmed bud.

Some machined weed comes out really good.

It seems like no one wants to take my word for it..

haha That's understandable.

I was against machines too when all I saw was abused, crappy product coming out the other end.

I have a feeling that with these better machines people won't be forthcoming about their product being machined due to the stigma surrounding it.

Well, there is a stigma for good reason. I don't care what anyone says, they cannot build a machine that is as delicate and precise as the human hand when it comes to trimming weed. The piles of trichomes that are left over after trimming speak for themselves. Why bother growing the best genetics possible if you are just going to knock half the trichomes or and reduce it's potency and appearance?

 

[TheRealGrowShow]

*piles of trichomes left over in the machines after trimming I should say. I had fellow growers show me theirs and I've yet to see one that doesn't have a huge pile of THC in the bottom after doing a run.

 

[TheRealHash]

Well, there is a stigma for good reason. I don't care what anyone says, they cannot build a machine that is as delicate and precise as the human hand when it comes to trimming weed. The piles of trichomes that are left over after trimming speak for themselves. Why bother growing the best genetics possible if you are just going to knock half the trichomes or and reduce it's potency and appearance?

Mechanizing is the future bud. I agree that piles of trichs do get knocked off, but when grooming a large quantity of flowers hands and scissors don't cut the mustard.

I mean you could devote your whole life to being a plant slave.. Or save time where you can. Saving time is the most important reason to mechanize IMO

 

[gaiusmarius]

Wow, I just read through this thread and it's really sad. It's a thread started by smokers, and a bunch of commercial growers just convened in here to gang up on any non-commercial grower to run them out of the thread......nice community of growers we have here I see, smh.

I grew commercially for almost 10 years and I never used a machine......so I don't buy any of these excuses being tossed around in here. I'm all for progress, commerce, and making money, but c'mon.......when you have made your operation so big that quality control and product handling suffers, then maybe it's time to re-evaluate your set-up. What would you have to say if fruit farmers all of a sudden starting using picking machines that bruised their fruit, instead of hiring crews to pick the fruit properly. If you kept going to the store to buy bruised fruit, you would complain about the growing practices too....exact same thing in this case.

Anyhow, there is some serious bullying going on in this thread. Smokers come here with a very legitimate complaint, and as soon as they post something 5 commercial growers start flaming them.

any examples of this bullying by 5 commercial growers?

all i saw so far is a bunch of incorrect and or incomplete statements being made and claimed as fact. calling anyone making any comments to the contrary a greedy so and so. so yeah maybe people don't like being called a greedy so and so when it's not actually even true. there is much more to the story, talking in absolutes is never wise, no matter which side is doing it. everything is situation dependent and no man knows an others situation.

so far i didn't see anything that was over the top, but if i missed something kindly link me up. all i saw was people explaining their point of view, just because a few happen to agree does not make them bullies. in the end those involved should know best what the majority wants to buy.

 

[Tonygreen]

Save time, save money, more profits, the American dream!

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Anyhow, there is some serious bullying going on in this thread. Smokers come here with a very legitimate complaint, and as soon as they post something 5 commercial growers start flaming them.

thats BS, the only bullying in here was done by shiva. he came in here with an arrogant attitude and spout off nonsense about commercial growers and that we are all lazy, greedy, spoiled and ruining marijuana for the masses because we use trim machines for larger harvests. he sent several people sneaky neg reps saying that he was happy to see us wasting our time responding to him, and that "every moment a commercial grower wastes his time on this thread, i am happy for". he clearly has a vendetta against those who put in 100x more risk, investment and daily work than him.

i pointed out that its NOT the growers fault, its the consumers and brokers. if the consumers truly wanted hand trimmed they would pay the premium for it, and then growers would pay for hand trim. instead, smokers want the cheapest price possible so that means that growers are just gonna machine trim it. nobody is here saying that we shoving our nugs through twisters then demanding a higher price from it…we aren't sitting back laughing like Dr. Evil with black cats in our laps, all in collusion forcing machine trimmed herb down the peasants throats.

we do the mechanical processing to SAVE THE CONSUMER MONEY, and they are happy for it. pot is expensive as hell, not everyone can fork over 50+ an 8th every few days. when you are smoking on a budget some trim pro'd green crack for half the price will get you just as high as some buds that were sprinkled in hippy tears, grown organic and veganic, blessed by jah and cultivated in gods vagina then hand trimmed by a naked model!!

 

[kmk420kali]

Once again, I agree that it abuses nugs...that being said, again, it is great you have ppl to trim for you for nugs, I do the same at my smaller grow at my house--
But I have explained the logistical problems in an earlier post, and we can agree to disagree that at some point it is no longer really an option to hand trim--


Oh yeah, and as far as the Greedy Grower shit...I work here, I grow and produce it, but I do not own it-- I have salary and percentage-- So I am not getting rich off this...but I CAN see the necessity of doing what we do--

 

[TheRealHash]

when you are smoking on a budget some trim pro'd green crack for half the price will get you just as high as some buds that were sprinkled in hippy tears, grown organic and veganic, blessed by jah and cultivated in gods vagina then hand trimmed by a naked model!!

ZIng!

lmao sprinkled in hippy tears!!

 

[NoEgoGenetics]

my boy deleafs with a machine trimmer.. a nd cleans up with fiskars.. and can get 5 pounds done a day by himself. so..

 

[theJointedOne]

Although i find myself not really ever agreeing 100% with what you post regarding commercial cultivation and the market, I enjoy and appreciate them b/c they are well thought out and seem logical and to the point. Also Ive heard you are a smart guy in real life, which makes your posts that much more relevant imo.

Ive posted some thoughts, cheers

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i pointed out that its NOT the growers fault, its the consumers and brokers. if the consumers truly wanted hand trimmed they would pay the premium for it (do you think consumers even know about the processing side of cannabis? Do you think they would choose twister over hand if they saw a side by side?) , and then growers would pay for hand trim. instead, smokers want the cheapest price possible (its fucked but true, and i dont get it honestly, i guess thats why america is obese and eats shit for food, while they puff mexi twister natty light buds. Your right about this, but hopefully it wil change, in 50 years or so lol) so that means that growers are just gonna machine trim it. nobody is here saying that we shoving our nugs through twisters then demanding a higher price from it…we aren't sitting back laughing like Dr. Evil with black cats in our laps, all in collusion forcing machine trimmed herb down the peasants throats. (no, funny image though, but tbh, you are setting standards when yours and other 'crews' rely on machine trim scenes, if thats what your broker has told you is wanted then that makes it the norm for all that dudes growers ect..its all relative, chain reactions and shit

we do the mechanical processing to SAVE THE CONSUMER MONEY, and they are happy for it. (I think you meant to say save YOURSELF money, save yourself so called HASSLE, TIME, EFFORT, ENERGY ECT.) pot is expensive as hell, not everyone can fork over 50+ an 8th every few days. when you are smoking on a budget some trim pro'd green crack for half the price will get you just as high as some buds that were sprinkled in hippy tears, grown organic and veganic, blessed by Jah and cultivated in gods vagina then hand trimmed by a naked model!! (this is kinda funny, but it actually is a bit offensive, not like cryin in the corner offensive, but the history and roots of this industry is not well known by a majority of the green rushers and even a lot of my norcal brethren. Many generations of growers put their lives work, a true livication, into this plant, and to see it ALL come down to money and bling blah blah blah with ZERO RESPECT TO THE INDUSTRY OR THE HISTORY i say fuck it. No machine bud can ever be called high grade cannabis

you said yourself a few days ago most of your boys who grow would rather be doing other stuff, so of course it makes sense to mechanize/automate the job. Which is something we havent touched on which is JOb creation, i mean we all are coming up in this industry, shouldnt we help others do the same, or is that some non-cool, non-hustle mentality these days?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I've paid out what people buy properties for one year just for trimming, not including the cook or grocery bill.

I had both machine and hand trimmed that year. The machined stuff went first.

I've since sold my twister.

I am thinking about the mean green dry trimmer.

I don't think I'd use a trim pro to take the fan leaves off...once it's dried and getting bucked down I'd separate them out then. Handling when wet is a no no here.

 

[steadydets]

To all the consumers out there : If you want hand trim bud, find a grower and buy it from him. No one is forcing you to buy anything you don't want. Vote with your dollar, eventually the market will come around to what you want. IF there are enough of you who demand it.

To the commercial cash croppers : Keep on keeping on, you guys are taking the largest risk and should be paid accordingly.

You want to know why its 2500 a lb, for all you cheap fucks out there?

How much is a lawyer? How about a business license? Accountant? Store front?

Shipping? Mind you, you won't get any insurance money if anything is lost.

Electricity, rent, real estate, etc.


The price of marijuana is dropping, but it will level out, believe me. There are real costs associated with growing, these will not change.

If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the price went up for A++ quality nugs in the future.


What am I basing this off of?

Well, just look at Amsterdam? Or how about Portugal or Spain?

They've been legal alot longer than we have, the prices there are roughly the same as they've been for decades now.

If people honestly think that its as simple as growing 1000 plants in a huge field they are hugely mistaken and are ignoring the law of diminishing returns and also under estimating how much expertise and skill is required to grow killer nugs.

I believe marijuana will be just like any other product.


Rothschild and Petrus v.s. Boxed wine and spritzers

Budwieser and Coors light v.s. Dog Fish Head et al

Mexican Brick and cheap outdoor v.s. organic indoor , organic high quality outdoor

 

[Yes4Prop215]

haha thanks TJO...i agree with ya man america is full of obese and cheap MFers. but i cant blame them at all for wanting to save 20 bucks an 8th and take the machine trimmed. like i said weed is expensive as fuck for people who dont grow or sell bud, we take advantage of our status and get free weed whenever we want, but most people have to budget and paying for premium hand trimmed is gonna eat into their grocery and rent bills.

and yes machine trimmed green crack is an insult the generations of guys who have put their entire lives into cannabis, i would be pissed too about all the new green rushers who are crashing the market.

i got into this business over 10 years ago primarily as a broker...i was selling other peoples herb and only making a percentage. i got to see the end user market firsthand, and it was the same then as now. i would show people a jar of the nicest, hand trimmed premium indoor herb and a jar of some random stale bulk mersh OD. most of them would say "ahhh super nice looking nug! but il take the cheaper stuff"....i was also tired of doing so much work for so little pay, why sell other guys harvests when i held all the power of having a strong clientele base. it only made sense for me to grow as much as i could supply. if my client base was 100% high end hand trimmed i would do it, unfortunately i get lowballed on a routine basis by guys who simply just want the cheapest price, and im not gonna sell them nice hand trimmed herb for cheap that would deflate the market up even more and really hurt my own pockets.

there is that small niche market for quality, but its not big enough (for me at least) to make an entire living off of. before i started doing commercial outdoor i did a small indoor room and sold my nugs to people associated with rappers and what not, and it felt great knowing that higher end clients really liked my warez, but at the end of the day it was not paying the bills as well as moving bulk units of machine trimmed green crack do nowadays. if 80% of consumers care more about price, i want to cater to 80% rather than 20%, although everyday i strive for 100% and handling both my bulk and my niche customers.


at least i havent sucummbed to going 100% twister route. i still take the time to pay trimmers and run a small scene. i really only use the de-leafers primarily, and keep the trim pros around for cleaning up alll the smaller B-grade nugs.

backyard- my homie just picked up a small mean green that i will get to see in action soon. fwiw, our mutual friend who did his entire harvest with the mean green, i got zero complaints from everything i brokered for him. seriously, not one person even questioned it was machine trimmed it was all compliments. it managed to keep the nug trics intact for the most part, it was much less abused as some of the trim pro'd green crack nugs from my own garden.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I'm really looking forward to trying out the mean green and seeing what's up,for myself.

Pretty sick of spending luxury car amounts of money on trimmers...

I want a cts v instead!! LoL

 

[steadydets]

I'm really looking forward to trying out the mean green and seeing what's up,for myself.

Pretty sick of spending luxury car amounts of money on trimmers...

I want a cts v instead!! LoL

Ultimate sleeper. Debadge the thing and roll out.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I agree that machine trimming does hurt quality...but when you have 150 or 200 lbs to trim, there just is no option--

Not true, there is an option, do it by hand. 200 is no problem.
Using machines is a compromise. What other compromises should larger growers make?
I could list them all, but you know them all.
I am wondering do you smoke mostly machine trimmed herbal Cannabis?
If no why not?
I don't like it because the machines also smush up resin and make it hard to dry sift easily, to me that is a sin...
The worst is trimmed while still fresh and wet. How you do it, wet or dry?
If you just want to crank out LB's for extracts, then it does not matter as much as the midew, or botrytris that often gets used for extracts.
But I want nothing to do with anything but the best of the best.
Is that what you consider your machine trimmed?
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

To all the consumers out there : If you want hand trim bud, find a grower and buy it from him. No one is forcing you to buy anything you don't want. Vote with your dollar, eventually the market will come around to what you want. IF there are enough of you who demand it.

To the commercial cash croppers : Keep on keeping on, you guys are taking the largest risk and should be paid accordingly.

You want to know why its 2500 a lb, for all you cheap fucks out there?

Supply and demand is why the prices have fallen.

How much is a lawyer? How about a business license? Accountant? Store front?

Shipping? Mind you, you won't get any insurance money if anything is lost.

Electricity, rent, real estate, etc.


The price of marijuana is dropping, but it will level out, believe me. There are real costs associated with growing, these will not change.

If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the price went up for A++ quality nugs in the future.


What am I basing this off of?

Well, just look at Amsterdam? Or how about Portugal or Spain?

They've been legal alot longer than we have, the prices there are roughly the same as they've been for decades now.

Why do you think prices in Calif have fallen in half?Maybe because unlike the other places listed there is a surplus of Cannabis in Calif? What do you think will happen when there is a surplus everywhere? It will happen.

If people honestly think that its as simple as growing 1000 plants in a huge field they are hugely mistaken and are ignoring the law of diminishing returns and also under estimating how much expertise and skill is required to grow killer nugs.

I believe marijuana will be just like any other product.

What other agri annual product sells for $2,500 a Lb? What do you think an average organic veggie farmer makes per acre of crop land?
If it is really like all other agri products then the price will be $100 for a single plant that can give 1-2 Kgs when dried and manicured, it does not need to be dried and manicured before being sold, just sell them christmas tree style, pick your plant and take it home. This can be done organically, with the highest quality, you just need an area that allows the varieties grown to fully mature outdoors or in hugh greenhouses.
This is not rocket science any organic grower/farmer that has never smoked herb can do a great job with minimum advice, and great seeds or clones, anyone that thinks different is just fooling themselves. These are professional farmers used to thin profit margins, good luck trying to compete. Wait until they are growing the best of the best by the ton, what advantage do you think a non farmer will have then?
-SamS



Rothschild and Petrus v.s. Boxed wine and spritzers

Budwieser and Coors light v.s. Dog Fish Head et al

Mexican Brick and cheap outdoor v.s. organic indoor , organic high quality outdoor

x

 

[theJointedOne]

Sam- Do you really think the biggest producers will make the best product?

IMO once we get more legal in USA, we will see more of a hash culture emerge, and I can envision big ag being able to produce, package and sell higher quality extract than higher quality flowers, mostly based on the delicate nature of flowers (and the process to keep them beautiful) vs the bulk nature of hash (and how even a pressed kilo of melt looks as fine as some loose sift lol), and ease of selling, shipment, consuming ect

20-50 years before a worldwide surplus? Regional areas have it already, but laws ect keep things regional, and id be surprised if the entire globe gets on the same page anytime soon..