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Luigi Mangione
- Thread starter Zeez
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Sounds like goverment
True enough, which is why choice is the way to go. Non-profit member based medical insurance, private insurance, government supported care and cash. This is how it is in Mexico. My doctor comes to my house and costs $25 including meds/equipment. I can pay cash (1/2 cost of US) to go to a hospital like a hotel (private room) and get surgery from a world class physician. A Mexican citizen (and family) can sign up for 'workers' medical (at a cost like social security) and go to one of their hospitals and get surgery from the same world class surgeon. The residents lacking funds can go to a government (civil) hospital (usually teaching hospitals) and receive treatment at no cost - surgeries - chemo, etc.
Others can pay for insurance. You can decide whether insurance premiums are better than cash payments in the long run.
IMO, the start in the US is to open up to efficient (NGO) non-profit insurance so people have a lower priced option. To overcome the present corruption is the big hurdle. It may take some government funding and muscle initially to ban lobbyists (bribery) and wrest some hospitals away from these corrupt corporations. (Or fund new ones) There is not much doubt that non-profits could out compete those for profit but maybe they could run in parallel.
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Two dead after man confronts and shoots at protesters in Panama
A copper mine protest turned deadly after a man allegedly opened fire, killing two demonstrators
www.the-independent.com
Kenneth Darlington, 77, a retired American lawyer and university professor who lives in Panama.
Hiddenjems
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Better yet no government and no insurance company. Prices would drop 80%. You go to the hospital, they send you a bill. If it’s large, you do an interest free payment plan.
Hiddenjems
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Hey we agree.
or do it like literally every other developed nation? (last time i checked, which i will say was a few years ago)...
have everyone covered by single payer, and we could even do like many countries and allow rich fuchs (sly devils) to pay for their own???
why not?
anyway, we can prolly all agree something needs to change... SURPRISE you didn't die, but you'll wish you did...
have everyone covered by single payer, and we could even do like many countries and allow rich fuchs (sly devils) to pay for their own???
why not?
anyway, we can prolly all agree something needs to change... SURPRISE you didn't die, but you'll wish you did...
Not advocating violence as a solution for any problem, I can see where some people view Brian Thompson as a mass murderer for pushing his United Healthcare employees to deny up to 32% of claims for increased profits. How many deaths or shortened handicapped suffering lives has United's greed cost? United 'Healthcare', Really? It sucks that people who cause death in the name of corporate greed are celebrated and thugs in the hood are called criminals. Perhaps this is the slower road to social evolution that Americans have chosen because they were not bright enough or have the critical thinking skills to figure out what every civilized country has done easily. Allowing Insurance companies and big pharmaceutical companies to extract ever increasing amounts of money transferred from patient to doctor does result in a very broken health care system.
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Hiddenjems
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That’s why the only hope I have for the trump admin is for Bobby Kennedy to get big money out of healthcare.
United took $91,000,000,000.00 in profit out of the healthcare system last year. Meanwhile 530,000 American families filed for bankruptcy due to medical bills.
This is legal? Brian Thomson was a good guy?
All health insurance companies must be made non profits with regulated salaries. That's a good start.
Hiddenjems
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There should be no middleman between a patient and dr.
Captain Red Eye
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Not advocating violence as a solution for any problem, - Zeez
(you sounded so hopeful...then you rationalized the violence away)
When you say all health insurance companies MUST be made non profits, what would you do to the ones that tell you no and to leave them alone?
What would you do to the people who tell you they DON'T want market regulated salaries ?
You are advocating for violence. How else will you force unwilling people to accept your ideas?
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Captain Red Eye
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I share your preference, I'd like to see more old school Doctor's Offices, where there is no middleman.
With that said, I'm fine with those that WANT a middleman and don't force it on others, having a middleman.
Those that DON'T want a middleman, should have no middle man.
The problem isn't what people want, it's people forcing other unwilling people to go along with their idea.
People clamoring for Universal Healthcare should admit they are willing to use violence to get their way.
Nobody has a right to make unwilling people labor / pay for their wants and needs under threat of force
That's what slave masters did.
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Maybe we should leave a few around just for people like you.
Oh wait, we already did that. 9 out of the 10 poorest and least educated states are red.
Now, guess which states had the most medically induced bankruptcies out of the 530,000.
In those poorest and least educated red states, probably with the most medically induced bankruptcies, How much collateral damage do you think went down with those bankruptcies? Everybody took it on the chin because these insurance companies have a license to steal.
Oh wait, we already did that. 9 out of the 10 poorest and least educated states are red.
Now, guess which states had the most medically induced bankruptcies out of the 530,000.
In those poorest and least educated red states, probably with the most medically induced bankruptcies, How much collateral damage do you think went down with those bankruptcies? Everybody took it on the chin because these insurance companies have a license to steal.
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