Luigi Mangione

[Captain Red Eye]

This is basically correct, however there are historic bounds which have presented themselves, which require 'control'. - like murder, theft and level playing fields. It is unfortunate that 'government' has applied these facets to power. - creating corruption, - bribery, lobbying and war machines.

The highest number of murders has not been committed by free-lance thugs, it's been committed by governments.

You assume that government people are the only people capable of organizing to stop murders when the evidence proves otherwise. That is a flawed assumption.

Please read the last lines in the quote below and think about it.

 

[Microbeman]

There is nothing in my philosophy which would prevent you from helping others. Forcing others to support your ideas, if they are attending to their own life is not the basis of charity though.

Tell me about the wheelchair ramp building charitable service you are going to start, I might be interested in supporting you.

Your statement here screams of cruelty. It is not charity for access to be available to all in a community. You are very confused about this topic. Please stop being confused. What would you do if your access to the grocery store was suddenly cut off? Stay home and starve? Reach out for help?

 

[Microbeman]

The highest number of murders has not been committed by free-lance thugs, it's been committed by governments.

You assume that government people are the only people capable of organizing to stop murders when the evidence proves otherwise. That is a flawed assumption.

How can you possibly gather this even remotely from my statement? I fear all is not in order in your ability to logically retort.

 

[nepalnt21]

View attachment 19121847

"kthulu's mayhem is conjectural, kthulu never hurt anyone"

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Your statement here screams of cruelty. It is not charity for access to be available to all in a community. You are very confused about this topic. Please stop being confused. What would you do if your access to the grocery store was suddenly cut off? Stay home and starve? Reach out for help?

I'd send armed men to your house to rip up your plane ticket to the middle east and make you grab your tool bag and a pile of lumber and force you to build a ramp! My priorities for how I'm going to run your life have shifted!

After you're done with the wheelchair ramp to my satisfaction, THEN, I'llship your ass over to take care of the genocide. (a genocide a government is doing)


So, again, when will YOU be starting a wheelchair ramp building charity ? Will you pay your helpers or keep them locked in your basement?

Why are YOU staying home tending your weed plants!!?? I can't believe how confused and cruel you are and why you're not loading your tools up now!

 

[nepalnt21]

"telling the only grocery store (multinational corporation wal- mart) in the county they can't design their store to block handicapped people from entering is gory violence against me personally!"

 

[Captain Red Eye]

How can you possibly gather this even remotely from my statement? I fear all is not in order in your ability to logically retort.

You implied government is necessary to prevent and ajudicate murders and other actual crimes people commit. I showed why using government to lessen murders is a bad idea.

I think you are unwilling to let go of your fears and that's why you want a super all powerful daddy and mommy government to make sure no bad things happen, which is not logical.

Government is a violator of consent, to the point they will murder people for peaceful disobedience and not a protector of consent. Would you take dating advice from a rapist?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

"telling the only grocery store (multinational corporation wal- mart) in the county they can't design their store to block handicapped people from entering is gory violence against me personally!"

In a free market you and your friends could open alternative food retail outlets without government bullshit protectionist legislations and regulations.

Walmart is only "walmart" because of protectionism and forcible barriers to entry to given markets.

 

[nepalnt21]

i mean you're not wrong bout how they got there (not much of a free market, to borrow from john stewart), but why would we have grocery stores within the anarchist framework?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i mean you're not wrong bout how they got there (not much of a free market, to borrow from john stewart), but why would we have grocery stores within the anarchist framework?

There isn't an "anarchist voluntaryist "framework". You' seem stuck in thinking the absence of the present rulers means there must be a substitute system of rulers. That isn't my posiiton.

No masters, no slaves. is the only framework, no special people having the right to do things which would are bad if you or did them.

Even Voluntaryists need to eat, why wouldn't there be grocery outlets ?

 

[nepalnt21]

i was being a smartass "why would a commercial business exist", let's move on lol

...

i like your ideas of having no masters and no slaves, i'm just wondering what it all looks like and what the transition looks like.

i haven't taken the time to really digest tons of anarchist literature.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

I agree, I am a responsible cog in the genocide.

Yes and no. If you fund it, you are complicit.

If it occurs and you don't have anything to do with making it occur, or perpetuating it, it's not your burden or responsibility to resolve. Sort of like how reparations should work.

Besides, you're gonna be too busy building all those wheelchair ramps you demand other people provide.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

having no masters and no slaves,

Unless / until that happens, Peace is impossible.

 

[Zeez]

Unless / until that happens, Peace is impossible.

There will always be the weak and stupid who can't function unless they are lead around by the nose.
No master - no function.

 

[Microbeman]

You implied government is necessary to prevent and ajudicate murders and other actual crimes people commit. I showed why using government to lessen murders is a bad idea.

I think you are unwilling to let go of your fears and that's why you want a super all powerful daddy and mommy government to make sure no bad things happen, which is not logical.

Government is a violator of consent, to the point they will murder people for peaceful disobedience and not a protector of consent. Would you take dating advice from a rapist?

You are so under the bar in your thinking. I implied that a community requires an enforceable organization to carry out the controls which I mentioned. Such controls even date in history to indigenous peoples and often are resolved through discussion circles. The relativity of enforcement changes through population.

In your inability to respond in logic fashion you injected unrelated blather like the government committing more murder, just as you did when saying road construction is contracted in relation to sidewalk curb cuts. I suggest these are strawmen statements. This illustrates your inability to dialogue logically. You can only repeat your mantra and attempt sarcastic comments about me heading to Gaza and building ramps.

I offered basic agreement with you in the way that government operates, however at a time when I offered potential economic evolution within a free market concerning health care, you did not even acknowledge it or your observation was lacking.

Seemingly you confuse charity with responsibility. Charity, as regards services to disabled people could involve raising money and volunteers to build ramps, etc. Responsibility is the undertaking by the community to provide as much as possible equal access and treatment. Some members of the community may require force/persuasion to comply.

FYI, I have built and supervised/consulted and engineered many ramps and other architectural endeavors to provide equal access. I have also created and operated charities.

 

[Microbeman]

Yes and no. If you fund it, you are complicit.

If it occurs and you don't have anything to do with making it occur, or perpetuating it, it's not your burden or responsibility to resolve. Sort of like how reparations should work.

I own it all through my citizenship and heritage.

 

[Cannavore]

 

[Eltitoguay]

...I was thinking about that quote from Julio Anguita posted in the "Commies" thread... I don't remember it verbatim, but it was more or less:
"Anarchist!!?? ...But what are you going to be an anarchist... Durruti was indeed an anarchist; and if you went to him with those stories, he would at least hit you two hard times..."

...Of course neither Durruti nor Anguita considered a "Mutualist-Individualist" as an Anarchist...

Anarchy and its overlooked role in health and healthcare (2023)​

La anarquía y su ignorado papel en la salud y la sanidad (2023) – Ryan Essex – Federación Anarquista 🏴

Federación Anarquista 🏴 Noticias anticapitalistas y informaciones libertarias

www.federacionanarquista.net

HEALTH OR BARBARISM :

The fight for a universal and community-based health system​

https://www.todoporhacer.org/sanidad-o-barbarie/

Spanish anarchism and the healthcare debate in Spain:​

Spanish anarchism and the healthcare debate in Spain: health, disease and medicine (1930-1939)

Autoría: Alejandro Lora Medina. Localización: Dynamis: Acta hispanica ad medicinae scientiarumque historiam illustrandam. Nº. 1, 2019. Artículo de Revista en Dialnet.

dialnet.unirioja.es

Would an anarchist society provide healthcare and other public services?​

I.5.12 ¿Una sociedad anarquista proporcionaría asistencia sanitaria y otros servicios públicos? – Anarchist FAQ

Depende del tipo de sociedad anarquista de la que se hable. Diferentes anarquistas proponen diferentes soluciones. En una sociedad individualista-mutualista, por ejemplo, la asistencia sanitaria y …

libertamen.wordpress.com

 

[Eltitoguay]

Heh heh heh, "comrade" Cannavore, I see we were thinking almost the same thing and right at the same time... Anarcho-Capitalist sounds much more descriptive than  Individualist-Mutualist heh heh...

Je, que buenos los de la F.R.A.C:
"(...) and he claims to be a Radical Libertarian Anarchist (...)"

 

[Microbeman]