Living organic soil from start through recycling

[ClackamasCootz]

It sucks down here as well - at least the humidity isn't much to deal with

 

[Gascanastan]

Alright Gascan! Lookin' forward to watchin you see this one through - fuck them mites!

Are you doing anything special to the ladies in this first week? .

...just the barley sprout watering...and that's all folks.....>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kwXNVCaxY

 

[Gascanastan]

Hey kid...you need to by my all natural fermented possum sauce...it's what gives my dank it's uber-dankness.....

 

[BlueJayWay]

BlueJay

How much tea do you mix in order to spray your entire garden? Ready to apply volume that is.

CC

I don't spray past probably 3 weeks in flower, I don't like getting the trichomes wet (maybe I should change that mindset?) So with that area aside, it's only about 3 gallons of finished tea to get the whole shibang done, and that's if all phases are getting the same foliar, so often times i'm mixing up single gallons @ a time. Soil drench is quite often the same tea too, so I like to bubble a 5gal bucket's worth, knowing that I will dilute down to 3 buckets or so.

I made way too much of the alfalfa sprout tea, I would like to refrigerate the concentrate but not sure if the properties will enhance or degrade etc. so I filtered it anyways, it's been soaking since Monday now it could last me a couple more applications - also not sure how frequent this particular tea should be applied, ya know with the triacantonal 'n all.

Just for kicks I did give a male that will be culled a single cup of full strength and it's in similar (great) condition as the rest that received diluted.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

BJW

Just askin' and all: what is your concern about triacantonal?

Curious and what not - as usual

CC

 

[greenmatter]

CC

i have some thrips on the outdoor ladies and i was going to use spinosad on them before things get out of control. the stuff is certified by those guys you love so much (starts with an O), but i have seen a couple threads that make me think this stuff is harder to get on the other side of the pond than it is here.

do they know something ORMI is not telling us? what is your call on spinosad?

 

[Gascanastan]

..I've used Spinosad...it kills the thrips overnight...and is also damaging to worms...and potworms.
Considering it is a bacteria I feel it's safe enough. We are exposed to far more dangerous bacteria every day we wake up.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Spinosad - a must have for any indoor gardener.

In the world of bio-pesticides it's the 'nuclear option'

It's safe enough for our dog's monthly flea prevention deal. It's a soil-borne bacteria if that's any help.

CC

 

[greenmatter]

..I've used Spinosad...it kills the thrips overnight...and is also damaging to worms...and potworms.
Considering it is a bacteria I feel it's safe enough. We are exposed to far more dangerous bacteria every day we wake up.

spinosad thrashes thrips fast and keeps them away for a while IME. i just wonder why the brits can't get it off the shelf over there. it works great

damaging to worms? would that include earth worms too? or just the little bastards that eat buds?

 

[BlueJayWay]

BJW

Just askin' and all: what is your concern about triacantonal?

Curious and what not - as usual

CC

1. Other than it being a PGR, haven't done enough research on it, without knowing better I guess concerned about too much from this concoction causing abnormal growth? Unfounded concern I know, hesitation without knowing the whole story I guess you'd say.

Lets see if this shows the "big" picture, the canoeing of this particular leaf (newest largest fan) on each plant is occuring within 24hrs of application. Directly related, possible?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

greenmatter

Be back....

 

[ClackamasCootz]

1. Other than it being a PGR, haven't done enough research on it, without knowing better I guess concerned about too much from this concoction causing abnormal growth? Unfounded concern I know, hesitation without knowing the whole story I guess you'd say.

"I'll be back" - LOL

I'm going to dig around the database at OSU and see what is to be found.......

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

This is one of the few negative things I found about it when I was deciding to use it or not.

http://www.dontspraycalifornia.org/lbam.html#ABOUTTHEPESTICIDES

Spinosad is another product to be used in this manner. It is "approved" for organics, representing further dilution of organics standards. It is considered non-synthetic, but also contains undisclosed synthetic "inerts". Spinosad is implicated in the killing of non-target species. In a world with modern agriculture facing vanishing pollinators, we must not take lightly the possibility of further impacting crippled species. Spinosad is very toxic to honeybees, oysters and other marine mollusks, and somewhat toxic to birds, fish, and aquatic invertebrates. Ironically it is also harmful to the Trichogramma wasp, another part of the LBAM eradication program. The Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI) describes that "the mode of action is unique and incompletely understood. Continuous activation of motor neurons causes insects to die of exhaustion… May be some effects on the GABA and other nervous systems". Even the USDA admits that it has insecticidal activity against some butterflies, moths, thrips, flies, termites, wasps, ants, bees, and beetles, and determines that in order to "reduce" the potential for resistance to the insecticide, no more than three applications may be done over a 30 day period, and no more than six applications per year.

Spinosad requires microbial activity for breakdown, so if used where toxic herbicides have been used, build-up in soil is expected. In any neighborhood where residents, gardeners, landscapers, municipal agency-users apply such herbicides, persistence in soil is a by-product and would be expected to become a danger to humans and honeybees through contact with residues left on site, and drift of residues, in addition to any drift at the time of application. So while it is "approved" for some use in organic production, it is only done so with strict warnings about toxicity to some species, and with strict clarification that it is only considered because of the rich microbial activity found on organic farms. It is not intended for use in city parks where herbicides have been used, nor is it intended for wholesale distribution into neighborhoods where usage of herbicides is not known. OMRI states that "Spinosad, while an improvement over some materials, is still fairly broad spectrum and not representative of an ecological approach." Spinosad is also manufactured by Dow.

Review of Spinosad by Organic Materials Review Institute (pdf)
"These review comments should not be taken to be an evaluation of the patented formulation of Spinosad containing inert compounds."

 

[Gascanastan]

spinosad thrashes thrips fast and keeps them away for a while IME. i just wonder why the brits can't get it off the shelf over there. it works great

damaging to worms? would that include earth worms too? or just the little bastards that eat buds?

Yes...any worm..and possibly beneficial soil thrips as well.

 

[Gascanastan]

Interesting info. GS....definitely hits more than thrips.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Interesting info. GS....definitely hits more than thrips.

Oh and to clarify, I do use spinosad in my garden when I need to.

GS

 

[ClackamasCootz]

From USDA - Spinosad

Good overview with additional links provided

 

[Gascanastan]

Oh and to clarify, I do use spinosad in my garden when I need to.

GS

I dip my smokes in it....har har har...

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

I dip my smokes in it....har har har...

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lol

And I should say I used to use spinosad..... now I use botanigard for ery'thing....

gs

 

[Seandawg]

Hey guys!
can i hang?