Living organic soil from start through recycling

[BlueJayWay]

I had heard a story about extreme gardening, something about it being the "baby" project of the son of a big horticultural company....

 

[MrSterling]

I've always loved the quote from Alan Moore on the nature of the world - "The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless".

 

[shmalphy]

On another note: does anyone add/inoculate with mycorrhizae? Every hydro store has a lot of very pricy jars of various brands, but I know there's gotta be a better way/source

Look under a big tree, the soil should be held together by a semi solid white mass. That is mycorrhizal fungi. I would culture it the same way I would any other BIM. Odds are your culture will not be monoxenic, you will also likely get symbiotic bacteria. I have read putting the fungus in the worm bin make sure you eliminate any pathogens.

I found this also:

Go to an area with a wild stand of similar grass species to what you are growing (untreated by humans) which has gone dormant; dig up some roots down to the newest growth; dry out and chop up the new growth area dirt n' all. Store until use. There should be local/indigenous endomycorrhizal spores galore which you can use to inoculate.

[when plants/grass goes dormant mycorrhizal is triggered to sporulate]

 

[ClackamasCootz]

BJW

Is Extreme the company with the fat guy sitting on a pumpkin?

I met him at the annual horticulture trade show a couple of years ago. I told him that investing in a real sales rep like a former used car salesman was probably his best hope of getting into the commercial side of horticulture.

Did he take my advice yet?

LMAO

 

[BlueJayWay]

^^^ HAHAHA yeah i think there is a big pumpkin on their bag, i'll have to double check for the fat guy sitting on it!

At least the extreme product seems (almost?) fairly priced, I was getting 1lb bags for like $13 at the dro store, Azos was a different story....

 

[ixnay007]

Darc Mind, when mentioning some landraces sats don't do well indoors, would that be the same reason why when I get heavily sativa leaning phenos, they yellow and drop fan leaves sooner whereas their indica leaning brethren are dark green & robust? Same soil/water/teas/lights et al. It's kind of fuckin' with my program LOL or maybe my situation is just simply - bigger plants, longer flowering = more food required, and they're not getting it since everything is catered to the short squat indies...

Remember, sativas keep growing their roots throughout flowering, indicas tend to slow down root growth after the stretch, so a sativa will need a lot more root space..

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Remember, sativas keep growing their roots throughout flowering, indicas tend to slow down root growth after the stretch, so a sativa will need a lot more root space..

Yep - over 20' tall in the California desert hooked up to a Dosatron using Dyna Gro products - circa 1988.

Of course that didn't stick out at all!

 

[Gascanastan]

Yep - over 20' tall in the California desert hooked up to a Dosatron using Dyna Gro products - circa 1988.

Of course that didn't stick out at all!

...and not limited to deserts either.....I have a type that can reach 20 ft take lows around 15 degrees and finish with nice frosty flowers outdoor @ 3000 ft at 49 N.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Yep - a few monsters in Laguna Canyon in the days of future past. Plant them in February and run them until a week or two before Christmas - Winter Equinox deal.

Thank God digital cameras hadn't arrived yet - LOL

 

[BlueJayWay]

I grow above 6k, indoors though, the occasional potted outdoor (small) plant has handled late spring snow as seedlings and early fall freezes, down to 25F

 

[ClackamasCootz]

BJW

This is not intended to be the 'bestest way' for growing landrace Sativas but it worked for me.

Community bed (5' x 5') running 3 ea. P.L. Light Systems' ballasts and reflectors. About 2' above the soil a PVC frame was installed with 6" netting secured across the bed.

As the plant grew I would weave the branches until the 'flower spring' had ended. This gave me a level canopy to work with.

On the African and Indian lines I would run them 5 months or so (20 - 22 weeks)

"Personal" aka "Dealer's Choice"

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

Cannabis is a pretty versatile plant.....both indica and sativa can adapt to higher colder climates pretty quickly. Equally they adapt to hot and dry.....

When my exhaust fan timer failed temps reached 130 degrees for almost 9 hrs.....every type I have (including thia's and haze's) was wilted and had severe tissue damage....except the types that were African...or had African in them.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

expect the types that were African...or had African in them

That's been my experience as well......

 

[YosemiteSam]

Panama (pure sativa) from Cannabiogen. The plan was to keep it hidden inside this old barn type thingie that no longer has a roof. It has already grown through the roof...I am guessing almost 8 ft above the container right now. Bondage seems cruel...but some kinda plan needs to be formulated. It has a lot a potential growing left in it.

edit...and you can see the issue with perlite...the stuff tends to rise to the surface rather than stay where I wanted it to.

edit dos...somewhere between 4-5000 ft of elevation

 

[ClackamasCootz]

YS

Beautiful plant!!!

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

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Panama (pure sativa) from Cannabiogen. The plan was to keep it hidden inside this old barn type thingie that no longer has a roof. It has already grown through the roof...I am guessing almost 8 ft above the container right now. Bondage seems cruel...but some kinda plan needs to be formulated. It has a lot a potential growing left in it.

edit...and you can see the issue with perlite...the stuff tends to rise to the surface rather than stay where I wanted it to.

edit dos...somewhere between 4-5000 ft of elevation

Damn bud! Throw a scrog net where the roof used to be and get used to being on a ladder! . I've always found that you can trellis sativas and keep em way happier than topping or even LST

 

[Gascanastan]

ive heard good things about cannabio work but never made a purchase my self

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here's some Super Silver Haze worked by dynasty
& a NL#5 x haze that may look familiar to some
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some true landrace sativa's imho really dont do well indoors under artificial light & confined containers...

Should be interesting to see the results from that NL/Haze Mr. Darc....

...I believe that's the same cut I got from some old fart in Oregon....an F2 seed from 1991

 

[MrSterling]

CC, I'm looking at BioAG's VAM-Endo at your suggestion. I know you've mentioned it multiple times, but we're starting to get spread over a lot of threads here in organic these days and I can't remember, what other product did you suggest from them?

 

[shmalphy]

I love beneficial micro-organisms. I prefer to culture my own, because it's super easy, they perform best in their indigenous environment, and best of all it cost pennies.

How to Cultivate Beneficial Indigenous Micro-Organisms

http://bocashi.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/indig-microorg.pdf

Lacto B
"One of the major workhorse beneficial indigenous microorganism used in natural farming is lacto bacilli" Gil Cardanang

Make your own free Bokashi starter.
January 6, 2010

Source: http://bokashicomposting.com/

Making your own bokashi starter culture in place of commercially available EM is incredibly easy. My goal from the start was to produce bokashi compost without the use of expensive EM, bran or fancy buckets. The most important component of the commercial EM in relation to bokashi is lactobacillus bacteria, the others are secondary (if at all necessary) and can be cultured in the bucket when conditions are favorable. I culture my own lactobacillus serum starting with a rice wash water solution. Making the serum is amazingly simple.

Step One:

I mix one part rice thoroughly with two parts water (1/2 a cup to one cup).
Mix thoroughly and vigorously.
Drain. The resulting water should be cloudy.
Place the rice water in a container with 50-75% head space allowing plenty of air to circulate.
Cover lightly (air should be able to move in and out of the container) and place in a cool dark spot for 5-8 days.
At the end of the wait the mixture should smell mildly sour.
Strain out any particles.

Step Two:

Put the finished rice water solution in a bigger container and add 10 parts milk (I use skim).
DO NOT seal tightly, the gases must be able to escape.
Allow 14 days for a complete ferment, most of the solids in the milk will float to the top revealing the yellowish serum.
Strain off the solids.

You now have purified lactobacillus serum.

 

[SoooHaggard]

I love beneficial micro-organisms. I prefer to culture my own, because it's super easy, they perform best in their indigenous environment, and best of all it cost pennies.

How to Cultivate Beneficial Indigenous Micro-Organisms

http://bocashi.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/indig-microorg.pdf

Lacto B
"One of the major workhorse beneficial indigenous microorganism used in natural farming is lacto bacilli" Gil Cardanang

I too was put onto this by CC and I love it! I found I got the best results when I used Organic rice and Organic Milk.