Living organic soil from start through recycling

[YosemiteSam]

Here's my favorite - Botanicare Sweet Raw

Ingredients

Magnesium Sulfate - regular ol' Epsom salts

It is the industries dirty little secret that a semi intelligent 3 year old ought to be able to see through. The same ingredients in "additives" as in the base formula. You can make a formula with 3 ingredients plus something for micros that will kick the shit out of the bottled nutes.

Sometimes they chuck something in that sounds different but half the time it is retarded. Sugar/molasses for microbes that may not exist. Aminos the same thing...if you have microbes they will eat it before it gets to the plant....it does not chelate shit.

Probably kelp and humic/fulvic are worthwhile...the rest is them not giving you a complete formula forcing you to buy some high priced additive.

About 7 cents a gallon in the res is what it cost to make your own.

If your spouse lied to you like these motherfuckers you would kick the bitch to the curb in a heartbeat...so instead, stoner growers sing their praises all over these forums. Go figure.

so i will stop ranting about that...back to a better way.

 

[Gascanastan]

It is the industries dirty little secret that a semi intelligent 3 year old ought to be able to see through.

If your spouse lied to you like these motherfuckers you would kick the bitch to the curb in a heartbeat...so instead, stoner growers sing their praises all over these forums. Go figure.

so i will stop ranting about that...back to a better way.

Word...

 

[W89]

Nice mate, how far along are they?

 

[smoooth]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

W89 - your plants look killer mate! Can't wait to see how they come out

Gas - looking killer as always. Love how those buds just show themselves so well while being surrounded by a forest of green....

 

[Gascanastan]

Miracle Gro Liquid All Purpose Plant Food 8-7-6

Ingredients

Urea
Ammonium Phosphate
Potassium Nitrate
Potassium Phosphate
Iron EDTA

So what's the difference between this fertilizer and Fox Farms, Botanicare or any of the other bottled gunk & junk?

Reminds me of that old Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs bites into the steel carrot and says, something like,"..at least I got's me iron"...

 

[W89]

Reminds me of that old Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs bites into the steel carrot and says, something like,"..at least I got's me iron"...

what's up Doc....?

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

Word...

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pro status. that is spectacular.

that looks like a perfect jungle of cannabis!

 

[Gascanastan]

W89 - your plants look killer mate! Can't wait to see how they come out

Gas - looking killer as always. Love how those buds just show themselves so well while being surrounded by a forest of green....

Just posting examples of success so that people get the picture that the methods of gardening presented here work nicely indoors with cannabis.

Yeah...waiting for that W89 guy to catch up here..he he
I'm sure they'll be some fine looking flowers.
I have no clue what day that was in that garden...it's a Blue Mystic

 

[W89]

First go with organics I don't feel it's going too bad

 

[invocation]

First go with organics I don't feel it's going too bad

Seems like you are off to a rapid start man! Keep the pics coming...

 

[smoooth]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

Seems like you are off to a rapid start man! Keep the pics coming...

I second that. I'm still getting all my supplies together but shouldn't be too far off now some of you guys have got me wanting to buy a 30 gallon smart pot to throw in the room no-till style!

 

[W89]

what stuff do you still need to get? I'm sure if you need help then post here and you will get it.. Good luck mate

 

[somoz]

I make all my teas without tea bags, and then top drench the tea along with any solids. The exception is when I filter for foliar feeding. When we make a botanical tea a good portion of the original material still has some of the nutrients available for soil microbes to feed on.

I also mulch with fan leaves so after flowering I may have several inches of mulch on the soil surface. I remove this mulch at harvest, then replace it with the new plant in the same pot.

As the mulch decomposes and the bottom layer becomes soil the amount of mulch seems to stay close to the same amount.

Lots of interesting things going on here in this post Scrappy, so let me go step by step with them. Do you hand water all your plants because I just don't see how not filtering out the sediment and raw material from a tea run can pass through a pump without damaging it, am I wrong on this one? Also, I'm not a commercial grower when it comes to indoors by any means, but I do run semi-large rooms so actual hand watering without a pump is not an option for me.

I really like the idea of introducing the left over tea material to the pots, why waste valuable material! Also, would you be so kind as to post some of your tea recipes in regards to Comfrey, Nettles, Dandelions, Alfalfa and any others you may see pertitent. I remember seeing a post from you stating that you like to stick with alfalfa, nettles, kelp meal, dandelion, and comfrey at the beginning of a transplant and then adjusting your teas as flower goes on.

Would you mind elaborating on this as far as ratios?

Mulching

So how exactly are you doing this, as simple as when you defoliate you just drop the fan leaves in your pots and water on top of them? Or do you defoliate, shred the leaves, and then drop them on the pots. Good idea by the way, smart stuff!

Sorry for all the question, but I'm not afraid to ask and appreciate the input.

 

[W89]

Somoz, If using a pump to water your plants with teas defo filter them, it will clog up your pump. If you make an ACT Do Not use a pump to water it with as the propeller in the pump will shred fungal hyphae this may also damage bacteria.. This is why we use air pumps to make our ACT..

For Botanical Teas The way make mine is take my ingredient ie: Kelp, Alfalfa, Comfrey and add at the rate of 1 tsp per liter, I then bubble that for 36-48 hours then pour undiluted. The reason we bubble for now longer than a couple of days is so that the beneficial compounds we want do not break down. once they do you will just be left with your basic N-P-K and that isnt the reason we use Botanical teas..

Here is some good threads:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=254210&highlight=Botanicals
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=110620
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=94673

 

[Gascanastan]

The One x BMR F1 ....a Thai dominant phenotype in a 5 gal. no-till pot.

 

[Scrappy4]

Lots of interesting things going on here in this post Scrappy, so let me go step by step with them. Do you hand water all your plants because I just don't see how not filtering out the sediment and raw material from a tea run can pass through a pump without damaging it, am I wrong on this one? Also, I'm not a commercial grower when it comes to indoors by any means, but I do run semi-large rooms so actual hand watering without a pump is not an option for me.

I really like the idea of introducing the left over tea material to the pots, why waste valuable material! Also, would you be so kind as to post some of your tea recipes in regards to Comfrey, Nettles, Dandelions, Alfalfa and any others you may see pertitent. I remember seeing a post from you stating that you like to stick with alfalfa, nettles, kelp meal, dandelion, and comfrey at the beginning of a transplant and then adjusting your teas as flower goes on.

Would you mind elaborating on this as far as ratios?

Mulching

So how exactly are you doing this, as simple as when you defoliate you just drop the fan leaves in your pots and water on top of them? Or do you defoliate, shred the leaves, and then drop them on the pots. Good idea by the way, smart stuff!

Sorry for all the question, but I'm not afraid to ask and appreciate the input.

I'm truly the worst guy to give ratios, but I can give you good faith estimates. I use about 11/2 cups of dried materials per five gallon buckets. I just take a couple big handfulls, of dried kelp meal or alfalfa meal or comfrey or yarrow or nettles or neem meal. I even dry weeds sometimes, if they look healthy. This tea gets bubbled for 24 hours, sometimes less. And I hand water with a five gallon bucket and a pitcher to pour from.

The dandelion I make fermented plant extracts from. I just fill a jug with either just flowers or the whole plant including roots. The whole plants get chopped up. I also make fermented plant extracts of comfrey, alfalfa, horsetail. For fermented plant extracts I use around two cups diluted in five gallons of water. This might vary and I judge the strength by the color of the extract. Darker = stronger.

For me I guess the only thing I do veg vrs flower is to use flower extracts in flower. I use foliar sprays mostly in veg too. But mostly I just rotate different feeds in small amounts, and I prefer to ferment alfalfa because it's hard for me to source organic. I hope to grow my own soon.

Lately I have only made two or three compost teas per cycle. I feel kind of guilty but everything has worked well lately soooo.

I just have a small indoor garden that I am expanding to a 2k flower room so I'm small potatoes and because of that I can do things like I do. A larger grow might seem too much like work this way though.
I do help with some greenhouse growers that grow close to this style though. One greenhouse is built on the end of a house. It's two stories as it encloses part of a deck, and on the deck sets a 50 gallon cone bottom tea brewer that drains via large piping to feed the plants. So I'm sure something could be worked out to move around teas.

On mulching I start with old fan leaves and cut up stems laid on the soil of new plants getting ready for flower after they go in 7 gallon pots. To this fans leaves that fall or have been culled ( I grow in a scrog so bottom leaves get little light and die anyway). And the dregs of botanical teas.

As long as I'm on a roll my bug program is weekly sprays up to flower with neem and karanja oils, silica' and dr bronners liquid soap mixed vigarously in tepid water sprayed at lights out and weekly up to early flower. If I suspect problems or it's the dead of summer I might give them a dried lavender flower spray, or make up a cilantro tea to spray with.

I'm kind of medicated at the momoment so I hope I hit the high points, over and out......scrappy

 

[Scrappy4]

The One x BMR F1 ....a Thai dominant phenotype in a 5 gal. no-till pot.

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I hereby promote you to Captain Gascanastan. Congratulations and cheezy salutations!!!

 

[W89]

The One x BMR F1 ....a Thai dominant phenotype in a 5 gal. no-till pot.

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Gas are those from the TO x BMR or TO x BMR BX1

 

[Gascanastan]

I hereby promote you to Captain Gascanastan. Congratulations and cheezy salutations!!!

We love ya old man~

Gas are those from the TO x BMR or TO x BMR BX1

TO/BMR F1 in that photo...as described. There's a few breedin's around...the good one's are the Bx1's...and it's not done yet. Have some females and males to pick through yet for a what I feel will be a good pollination.

 

[W89]

F1 is the first filial generation or something isn't it? so the first geration from the TO x BMR cross? I dont really understand all the technical breeding mumbo jumbo